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Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by amiga386 on Thursday October 03, 2024 @08:32AM (#41730140)
Nothing, because .io was operated by some wheeler-dealer without the authority of the UK. Apparently he just dumped money into the bank accounts of the various overseas territories he was selling the domain names for and they were OK with it?

He's since sold it on and now a hedge fund owns it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.io

Officially, the British Indian Ocean Territories will cease to exist, therefore so would the ISO 2-letter country code. However, ccTLDs have outlasted countries before, notably ".su" for the no longer existing USSR. I suspect that IANA would prioritise not breaking millions of domain names over trying to police ccTLDs.

Google's view on the matter is that .io is already effectively a gTLD rather than a ccTLD, like with .nu, .to, .tv, as most of the registrants run websites with a global audience or at least an audience other than the island nations whose ccTLDs they are.

Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by lolinder on Thursday October 03, 2024 @08:55AM (#41730333)
As far as I can find .su is the exception in surviving, not the rule, and who operated the ccTLD is irrelevant to the question of whether ICANN decides to allow it to live on.

It does seem likely that ICANN won't kill off all existing registrations, but this is supposition, not an answer. If we look only at what they've done historically to ccTLDs the most likely outcome is that new registrations become locked and ICANN attempts to phase the .io TLD out.

They may break that trend now given how much they've already polluted the TLD space, but they may not, and I think your comment is a bit too optimistic. People with .io domains should absolutely be paying close attention here.

Edit: gnfargbl found the actual written policy [0].

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41730559

Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by margalabargala on Thursday October 03, 2024 @10:04AM (#41730919)
I can't be the only person who read this and was curious about what other ccTLDs have existed and have since been removed, so here's the list of them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_code_top-level_domain#...

There was also a .um for US minor outlying islands, removed in 2008.

Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by dtech on Thursday October 03, 2024 @10:37AM (#41731201)
That list doesn't seems complete, ".an" at least isn't in there [1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.an

Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by card_zero on Thursday October 03, 2024 @01:27PM (#41732811)
That section doesn't attempt to maintain a full list.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by the_mitsuhiko on Thursday October 03, 2024 @10:10AM (#41730977)
That's not entirely true. .su is an exceptional reservation but it's not the only one with a tld. For instance ".uk" exists and ".ac" exists.

It's absolutely possible that someone will asking for an exceptional reservation for IO at ISO and it can be kept alive forever.

Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by lolinder on Thursday October 03, 2024 @10:15AM (#41731024)
> It's absolutely possible that someone will asking for an exceptional reservation for IO at ISO and it can be kept alive forever.

I agree it's possible, I disagree with OP that it's a foregone conclusion.

At this point if I were the owner of a .io domain I would treat that as the unlikely best case scenario and start looking at what domain I'd fall back to if ICANN sticks to their rules.

Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by mywittyname on Thursday October 03, 2024 @11:26AM (#41731652)
I mean, the TLD .pizza exists, so could .io move to the same mechanism that allows those to exist? Or is it something like 2-3 character TLDs are reserved for country codes?
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by lolinder on Thursday October 03, 2024 @11:40AM (#41731760)
Two character TLDs are reserved for country codes, and they're meant to reflect a very specific ISO-standardized list of country codes:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2

Breaking with ISO 3166-1 comes with the risk that a new ISO-standardized country cannot claim its TLD.

So in order to reclaim the TLD as generic, startups dont just have to persuade ICANN, they have to make the case to ISO that IO is a significant enough code that it should be an "exceptional reservation" like UK, UN, EU, and SU.

Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by mintplant on Thursday October 03, 2024 @11:38AM (#41731747)
Two-character TLDs are reserved for country codes, yes.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by saaaaaam on Thursday October 03, 2024 @04:18PM (#41734534)
.pizza is a gTLD (generic top level domain) rather than a ccTLD (country code top level domain). ICANN rules say that gTLDs have to have three characters or more. So you can have .xyz but not .xo
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by roryirvine on Thursday October 03, 2024 @12:32PM (#41732285)
.uk only exists because UKERNA was already using it (or, rather, UK.) for JANET's own X500-ish system that pre-dates the standardisation of DNS.

At one point, it was intended that moving the UK's internet resources to .gb would be the final stage of the transition from the internal JANET system.

By the time I first heard about that in the early 90s, that had already gained legendary "that'll never happen" status - and, sure enough, the transition was declared complete when the last UK.AC.SITE <-> ac.uk mail gateways were retired circa 1996.

Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by anotherhue on Thursday October 03, 2024 @01:40PM (#41732918)
There are non GB UK countries though, or at least one in NI.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by alexchamberlain on Thursday October 03, 2024 @01:55PM (#41733076)
Right, but confusingly, GB is the ISO 2 code for the United Kingdom, even though the United Kingdom is much bigger than Great Britain, where the GB abbreviation comes from.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by anotherhue on Thursday October 03, 2024 @01:58PM (#41733115)
Makes sense, also in keeping with the excessively complicated naming that thousands of years of dispute produces.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by vidarh on Thursday October 03, 2024 @07:23PM (#41736114)
Pet hate: Regularly running into dropdowns that list countries by name, but sort them by country code.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by glimmung on Friday October 04, 2024 @03:59PM (#41745045)
Thanks for explaining where that apparently random ordering comes from - drives me nuts too!
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by beojan on Thursday October 03, 2024 @11:12PM (#41737435)
At least for the identification sticker / stripe on cars we've moved from GB to UK. Maybe we'll just move to uk as the ISO 2 letter code.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by TRiG_Ireland on Friday October 04, 2024 @11:49AM (#41742637)
IVR codes are not ISO 3166-1 codes. The ISO codes are all two letters; the IVR codes range from one to three letters.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by alexchamberlain on Saturday October 05, 2024 @07:28AM (#41749158)
https://web.archive.org/web/20120616044022/http://www.iso.or...

Apparently "United" and "Kingdom" aren't valid for ISO, so they went with ignoring part of the name completely.

Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by xp84 on Saturday October 05, 2024 @11:58AM (#41750771)
That’s interesting. It kind of makes sense. I guess the US makes this rule kind of funny too. I guess we’re lucky we didn’t get .am for “America.”
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by ethbr1 on Thursday October 03, 2024 @01:49PM (#41733012)
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Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by jamesog on Thursday October 03, 2024 @02:40PM (#41733568)
The Isle of Man isn't part of the UK, but rather a Crown Dependency, as are Jersey (.je) and Guernsey (.gg): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Dependencies
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by magicalhippo on Thursday October 03, 2024 @10:34AM (#41731168)
Perhaps naive question: why can't they simply convert it from a ccTLD to a gTLD?
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by lolinder on Thursday October 03, 2024 @10:41AM (#41731246)
Two-letter domains are defined to be ccTLDs—if it's two letters, it's a country code domain. Breaking that rule would risk leaving a future ISO-standardized country unable to claim its domain because its code was already assigned to a tech startup gTLD.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by jowea on Thursday October 03, 2024 @02:27PM (#41733433)
Would a future ISO-standardized country get assigned a code that collides with an historical code?
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by Dibby053 on Thursday October 03, 2024 @03:02PM (#41733814)
The short-lived country of Serbia and Montenegro got assigned .cs (from Crna Gora - Srbija) which previously belonged to Czechoslovakia, but it seems it was never used (they kept using .yu).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.cs

Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by mr_toad on Friday October 04, 2024 @04:06AM (#41738988)
Reusing country codes seems like it would annoy a lot of DBAs, not just people involved with the domain name system.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by kjs3 on Thursday October 03, 2024 @03:16PM (#41733952)
I've heard it discussed as a possibility tho I don't personally know how the ISO CC assignment process works. On the other hand, we don't exactly create new countries at a rate that exhausting 26^2 combinations should be an issue, but I suppose that could change.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by chrismorgan on Friday October 04, 2024 @03:56AM (#41738918)
There are only 334 unassigned and unreserved <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2#Decoding_ta...>. That’s honestly not that many. More to the point, there’s a distinct preference for names meaning something. Sometimes you can’t get exactly what you want: for example, Australia and Austria both start with AU, and only one of them could get AU. I dunno how Austria got AT, but was it “Australia gets AU, AS makes more sense for American Samoa, AR makes more sense for Argentina… guess AT is the best we can give them”?

Jump a hundred years forwards to a hypothetical future where the USA is fragmenting, Iowa becomes a country, IA and IW are already assigned to some other countries that have sprung up, and ISO is somehow still relevant. When Iowa says “we want IO”, what do you say? “Sorry, we used that code a hundred years ago for a tiny island in the middle of nowhere, how do you feel about YA, it sounds a little like Iowa, right?”

(Admittedly if the USA fragmented, each state into a country, you’d have far worse problems than Iowa. Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana… eight Ms, and already M_ is down to only three available, MB, MI and MJ. M is a popular letter to start names with.)

There are already a few country codes assigned where I can’t see where the second letter came from, e.g. AW, AX, BJ, BQ, CW, GW, SX, PW. A definite habit of giving a W or X if they can’t come up with anything better.

A few country codes have already been reassigned once (having formerly been either assigned or reserved indefinitely, then deleted): AI, BQ, GE, LT, ME, RU, SK.

Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by mr_toad on Friday October 04, 2024 @04:09AM (#41739008)
So what happens if the ISO decides to switch to three letter codes and screws a bunch of TLDs?
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by chrismorgan on Friday October 04, 2024 @05:32AM (#41739546)
They could certainly say “we’re giving up on alpha-2 codes, new countries only get alpha-3 codes”. But it’d be rather difficult, as there’s a lot of software using alpha-2 codes. I imagine ISO and ICANN would talk, and maybe ISO 3166/MA would reserve any extant three-letter TLDs, so ICANN say “no new three-letter TLDs except for new countries”. That’d solve the issue entirely.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-3

Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by kjs3 on Monday October 07, 2024 @10:46AM (#41766522)
Agreed. It's important to bear in mind that DNS is one thing that uses ISO3166, but by no means the only thing.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by magicalhippo on Thursday October 03, 2024 @08:16PM (#41736481)
Fair enough. One could alleviate that concern by not opening gTLD for general two-letter registrations, reserving it for these special cases, but the core issue would remain.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by lolinder on Thursday October 03, 2024 @11:14PM (#41737443)
They've done that a couple times (EU, UK, SU), but each of those was first reserved as an exception in the ISO standard. So that's probably where proponents of .io would need to start.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by not2b on Thursday October 03, 2024 @01:02PM (#41732574)
They might just change its status to a vanity top level domain like ".lol" or ".sucks" and sell it to the highest bidder, taking the money. They would justify it by saying that they want to promote stability, maybe require that the new owner honor the domains at least until they expire and then charge what they want. That seems to be the way ICANN works these days.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by dogma1138 on Thursday October 03, 2024 @01:27PM (#41732808)
It doesn’t matter really what ICANN decides if the registrars ignore it.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by crote on Thursday October 03, 2024 @01:33PM (#41732865)
And it doesn't matter what the registrars choose to do when the entire ".io" TLD gets kicked out of the root name servers - who in turn are following the official zone file as published by ICANN.

Accepting registrations for a domain is pretty useless when those domains aren't going to resolve to anything.

Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by alexchamberlain on Thursday October 03, 2024 @01:57PM (#41733094)
But do the root name servers _have_ to respect the ICANN zone file?
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by notatoad on Thursday October 03, 2024 @02:13PM (#41733289)
at least one of the root name servers is hosted by ICANN, so there's essentially zero chance that all of the roots will choose to disrgard the ICANN zone file.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by dogma1138 on Thursday October 03, 2024 @03:02PM (#41733812)
If an ICANN decision would be seen as detrimental to the smooth operation of the global DNS network yes there is, their server would simply be quarantined yes it would be a problem since root servers are “hardcoded” in many places but for the most part all the major DNS services can continue to operate without them for a while at least.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by dmkolobov on Thursday October 03, 2024 @03:52PM (#41734283)
A bunch of startups losing out on domains they bought despite best practices is not an event I would call “detrimental to the smooth operation of the global DNS network”.

This was a known and willfully ignored business risk for these places.

Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by PaywallBuster on Thursday October 03, 2024 @12:11PM (#41732038)
> by some wheeler-dealer without the authority of the UK.

Doesn't seem like a random wheeler dealer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Kane_(entrepreneur)

> from 2010 to 2017 was one of seven people entrusted with a credit card-like key to restart portions of the World Wide Web or internet which are secured with DNSSEC,

Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by amiga386 on Thursday October 03, 2024 @12:44PM (#41732409)
It's a ccTLD not controlled by the country it's for. Paul Kane was a personal friend of Jon Postel, and Postel simply gave him authority to run .io, .ac, and .sh, which he did privately for his own benefit.

He also claimed he paid these countries... somehow... and yet the UK government said he didn't. A shady wheeler-dealer with exceptionally good connections to the people that ran DNS before IANA/ICANN existed.

https://fortune.com/2020/08/31/crypto-fraud-io-domain-chagos...

> The terms of the agreement remain secret, but in 2014 Kane told me that a portion of the .io proceeds went to the British government, to be deposited into an account for the administration of the Chagos Islands. Responding to a subsequent parliamentary question that year from Lord Avebury, a liberal civil rights advocate, the government said that it had no such plans, because it received no revenues from ICB.

> Kane did not respond to a request to be interviewed for this article. The U.K.’s Foreign and Commonwealth Office declined to comment on the Chagossians’ claim to the domain extension and again denied that the British government receives any .io proceeds.

Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by drpossum on Thursday October 03, 2024 @08:42AM (#41730222)
As someone with an io domain, I really appreciate this post. I've had general fears that political decisions would be made that would make trouble for me on top of the standard business decisions to take as much as they can from me.

Now it seems likely I will only have to worry about the hedge funds!

Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by fakedang on Thursday October 03, 2024 @09:29AM (#41730621)
Won't the hedge fund have to acquiesce to the ICANN if it demands that .Io be shut down? Afaik, ICANN only allows two letter domains for countries.

Alternatively ICANN might (should imo) transfer the TLD registrar to Mauritius.

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Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by appendix-rock on Thursday October 03, 2024 @08:55AM (#41730332)
Oh be quiet. That’s a ludicrously uncharitable interpretation of what they were saying, all in service of you…getting to be…snarky?
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by drpossum on Thursday October 03, 2024 @08:53AM (#41730323)
I knew what I was getting into and the risks involved.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by ethbr1 on Thursday October 03, 2024 @01:51PM (#41733039)
As fun as the .io TLD is, its entire sordid history is a shitshow.

It's a novelty TLD, and anyone who used it expecting stability should have looked for a different flag of convenience.

Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by gomerspiles on Thursday October 03, 2024 @02:06PM (#41733195)
It doesn't really track that the original creation of .io being sordid means a political change won't have implications, (possibly even) modelled on and/or justified by the questionable history..
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by harel on Thursday October 03, 2024 @09:17AM (#41730504)
That's a reassuring response from a reassuring username.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by hypeatei on Thursday October 03, 2024 @08:53AM (#41730320)
> I suspect that IANA would prioritise not breaking millions of domain names over trying to police ccTLDs.

I'm surprised this wouldn't be the default behavior for existing owners? Kinda making me re-think buying an IO domain for my personal stuff. Are gTLDs the safest option?

Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by drpossum on Thursday October 03, 2024 @08:57AM (#41730359)
You should always be aware of political risks when buying a ccTLD. There's precedent that these have caused serious issues for domain holders, one notable example

https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/12/24071036/queer-af-mastodo...

Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by Avamander on Thursday October 03, 2024 @09:03AM (#41730409)
Outages and poor management are one possibility. Other is the fact that you have to trust the country running the ccTLD with DNSSEC keys. This might rule out things like using TLSA/DANE or SSHFP records.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by EE84M3i on Thursday October 03, 2024 @09:16AM (#41730496)
I think more relevantly than DNSSEC, couldn't they issue TLS certificates using DNS-01 validation? You have to trust your DNS registry.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by Avamander on Thursday October 03, 2024 @11:21AM (#41731605)
They could, but WebPKI things get logged, doing split-horizon DNS for your victims doesn't.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by cesarb on Thursday October 03, 2024 @09:29AM (#41730623)
The gTLDs are also subject to the whims of a foreign country (usually the USA). The safest option is probably your own country's ccTLD, since any dispute would go solely through your own country's laws and courts (to which you're already subjected, by virtue of living there).
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by tacitusarc on Thursday October 03, 2024 @12:09PM (#41732023)
Unfortunately, the .us TLD prevents hiding whois, even partially. So registering a domain under that TLD is just asking for perpetual spam.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by Sanzig on Thursday October 03, 2024 @03:04PM (#41733830)
Which is weird! In contrast, .ca hides whois by default for personal registrations.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by iggldiggl on Monday October 14, 2024 @04:10AM (#41835324)
And .de is schizophrenic, because a few years back there was a big kerfuffle about WHOIS data being public, as a result of which it is now hidden, however almost all German websites remain subject to mandatory imprint regulations. (The only true exceptions are things of limited public value, such as the log-in pages to password-protected stuff, or at most galleries of holiday snaps for family and friends, although ideally those should rather be password-protected, too. Anything else that's intended for the regular general public is at least in a grey area, even if it remains strictly non-commercial.)
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by kjs3 on Thursday October 03, 2024 @10:35AM (#41731184)
A hedge fund operates the .io domain, they don't AFAIK own it without restriction. As a ccTLD, what happens if Mauritius tells ICANN "nope, not theirs, ours now, it's an asset as part of the transfer of sovereignty". In fact, in the link you provide, it looks like people involved have already starting a repatriation effort.

Of course, in the end, it'll probably end up with no end-user impact because someone (the existing operator or a new one) will negotiate a deal ($$$) with Mauritius that will provide continuity of operations and (hopefully) be more beneficial to the people of Chagos.

Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by jeremyjh on Thursday October 03, 2024 @01:59PM (#41733123)
Mauritius already has an ISO 3166 code "MU" and matching ccTLD ".mu". "IO" isn't going to be a standard code. Its far from a foregone conclusion that ".io" will exist 10 years from now.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by kjs3 on Thursday October 03, 2024 @02:43PM (#41733599)
Yes, you are of course right...10 years + (however many years the legal process of transferring sovereignty takes) + (some number of extra years because stuff happens) from now I would completely agree it probably won't be around. But from an internet perspective for a mostly fad driven TLD I personally would expect on the day .io finally disappears from the nameservers the reaction will be "oh...that was still around?" or worse case a tiny number of "I forgot we registered that".

Tl;dr: "someone will likely run .io until ICANN turns it off, which it probably will, but we don't know who that is right now".

Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by reaperducer on Thursday October 03, 2024 @10:22AM (#41731082)
I still miss .oz.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by drannex on Friday October 04, 2024 @11:44AM (#41742585)
This one needs to come back. It's been over twenty years, any legacy services that are calling out to .oz instead of .au are probably in need of a good crash these days anyway.
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Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by rosslh on Thursday October 03, 2024 @09:33AM (#41730650)
How does using these TLDs exploit "3rd world people"?
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by toyg on Thursday October 03, 2024 @10:19AM (#41731062)
The .io/.sh/.ac TLDs were effectively invented and run by a British guy; he states some of the resulting profits were shared back with the UK government, which controls those territories, to benefit the inhabitants of such territories; the UK government denies this ever happened. The reality is likely that those people were effectively stripped of their rightful "internet property", in a way not dissimilar from old colonial exploitation.

To be honest, if .io is not handed back to the Chagossian, it would be better to shut it down and turn the page on a pretty shameful page of internet history.

Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by justusthane on Thursday October 03, 2024 @09:55AM (#41730837)
I don't think it does directly, but I suppose in a macro sense, by paying for a .io domain you're contributing to the system responsible for the exploitation of these people.

An analogy: a bunch of indigenous people are kicked off their island, and coffee is grown there by the people who evicted them. You buy the coffee, and the people who have the rightful claim to the land don't receive any of the profits.

To add insult to injury, the coffee is named after the island it's grown on, and that's mostly why it's popular - because it's a really good name for coffee (maybe it's called Java Island).

That's basically what the .io domain is.

Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by jklinger410 on Thursday October 03, 2024 @12:48PM (#41732454)
TLDs are a PONZI SCHEME and it should be ILLEGAL
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by seszett on Thursday October 03, 2024 @01:50PM (#41733024)
> Officially, the British Indian Ocean Territories will cease to exist, therefore so would the ISO 2-letter country code.

Many territories have TLDs even if they're just a region of another country, like .tf and .re in the Indian Ocean which are on France. So there's no reason .io could not just continue without change (other than NIC ownership) now that it's part of Mauritius.

Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by tephra on Sunday October 06, 2024 @07:26AM (#41756380)
I have some insight into this domain (pun duly intended), I work for a foundation managing two ccTLDs. Once the ccTLD has been delegated to an entity it is very hard to get that back without the consent of all parties. Meaning unless the entity that now holds the delegation to manage the ccTLD agrees to sell it or give it back they generally won't lose it.
Re:Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the... by bigfatkitten on Sunday October 06, 2024 @08:05AM (#41756540)
.su survives only because Russian users kicked up a massive stink about keeping it. About 20 years ago, ICANN was quite determined to kill it off.