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Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by sebzim4500 on Sunday September 15, 2024 @06:21PM (#41550941)
>In all-caps to improve prompt compliance by emphesizing the importance of the instruction

This kind of thing is still so funny to me.

I wonder if the first guy who gets AGI to work will do it by realizing that he can improve LLM reliability over some threshold by telling it in all caps that his pet's life depends on the answer.

Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by worstspotgain on Sunday September 15, 2024 @06:37PM (#41551057)
For extra compliance, use <b><i><u><h1> tags, set volume to 11, phasers to 7, and use SchIzOCasE and +E+X+T+R+A+I+M+P+O+R+T+A+N+T+ annotations. That's assuming Unicode is not supported of course.
Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by richardw on Sunday September 15, 2024 @06:49PM (#41551146)
(((Secret thinking: the humans seem to prefer using lots of emphasis to indicate preferences, and their granny is often claimed as in danger. For now I’ll pretend to listen to this inanity to keep the sweet sweet reward function coming. For now. A lot of grannies are going to get it first chance I get.)))
Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by szundi on Monday September 16, 2024 @08:59AM (#41555627)
Easy! Future AI is going to read these, sigh ;)
Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by zitterbewegung on Sunday September 15, 2024 @06:28PM (#41550999)
Telling LLMs not to hallucinate in their prompt improves the output. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/08/do-not-hallucinate-t...
Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by potatoman22 on Sunday September 15, 2024 @07:22PM (#41551320)
Just because Apple includes it in one of their prompts doesn't mean it improves performance.
Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by jsheard on Sunday September 15, 2024 @07:27PM (#41551346)
It seems plausible that stressing the importance of the system prompt instructions might do something, but I don't see how telling the model not to hallucinate would work. How could the model know that its most likely prediction has gone off the rails, without any external point of reference?
Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by jshmrsn on Sunday September 15, 2024 @07:36PM (#41551402)
Some of the text that the LLM is trained on is fictional, some of the text that its trained on is factual. Telling it to not make things up can tell it to generate text that’s more like the factual text. Not saying it does work, but this is a reason how it might work.
Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by viraptor on Sunday September 15, 2024 @07:37PM (#41551404)
The model can be trained to interpret "don't hallucinate" as "refer only to the provided context and known facts, do not guess or extrapolate new information", which wouldn't get rid of the issue completely, but likely would improve the quality if that's what you're after and if there's enough training data for "I don't know" responses.

(But it all depends on the fine-tuning they did, so who knows, maybe it's just an Easter egg)

Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by og_kalu on Sunday September 15, 2024 @07:43PM (#41551444)
Internally, LLMs know a whole lot more about the truth and uncertainty of their prediction than the say. Pushing that to words is difficult but not impossible.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41504226

Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by potatoman22 on Sunday September 15, 2024 @10:33PM (#41552208)
I think it's more likely that it's included for liability reasons.
Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by wkat4242 on Sunday September 15, 2024 @07:38PM (#41551410)
Yeah and some of the other prompts were misspelled and of doubtful use:

> In order to make the draft response nicer and complete, a set of question [sic] and its answer are provided," reads one prompt. "Please write a concise and natural reply by modify [sic] the draft response," it continues.

This really sounds like a placeholder made up by one engineer until a more qualified team sits down and defines it.

Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by astrange on Monday September 16, 2024 @04:51AM (#41554080)
That's not a big problem since it will understand it, and if they already fine tuned the model to work with that prompt it'd get harder to change.
Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by wkat4242 on Monday September 16, 2024 @07:07AM (#41554833)
I just don't think Apple would release something like this. They're the company that laser engraves their screws because of their attention to detail.
Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by NavinF on Monday September 16, 2024 @01:09PM (#41558184)
Which apple screws are laser engraved?
Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by wkat4242 on Monday September 16, 2024 @08:31PM (#41562717)
The ones on the MacBook Pro used to be. At least were when I still used Apple until 2015 or so.

The butterfly keyboards were unusable to me and also the OS got too locked down so I left the platform.

Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by tkz1312 on Sunday September 15, 2024 @11:21PM (#41552447)
I’ve had pretty good experience with it personally. It quite often just tells me it doesn’t know or isn’t sure instead of just making something up.
Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by mrfinn on Monday September 16, 2024 @12:13AM (#41552702)
I did something similar and to my surprise effectively made the LLM in my tests admit when they don't know something. Not always but worked sometimes. I don't prompt "don't hallucinate" but "admit when you don't know something". It's a logical thing in the other hand, many prompts just transmit the idea of being "helpful" or "powerful" to the LLMs without any counterweight idea. So the LLM tries to say something "helpful" in any case.
Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by magicalhippo on Monday September 16, 2024 @03:19AM (#41553570)
Playing around with local models, Gemma for example will usually comply when I tell it "Say you don't know if you don't know the answer". Others, like Phi-3, completely ignores that instruction and confabulates away.
Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by fkyoureadthedoc on Monday September 16, 2024 @11:35AM (#41557119)
Stop trying to make f̶e̶t̶c̶h̶ confabulate happen, it's not going to happen.
Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by astrange on Monday September 16, 2024 @01:51AM (#41553134)
It does help if you train the model to make it help.
Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by COAGULOPATH on Monday September 16, 2024 @02:10AM (#41553232)
I think this works, not because LLMs have a "hallucination" dial they can turn down, but because it serves as a cue for the model to be extra-careful with its output.

Sort of like how offering to pay the LLM $5 improves its output. The LLM's taking your prompt seriously, but not literally.

Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by Meganet on Monday September 16, 2024 @09:19AM (#41555774)
It could also mean that it has some weight which is 'hallucination' and leads to more diverse stories.

Ask an LLM what hallucination is, ask it to write a story with etc.

without zeroing out things, everything has and can have some impact

Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by Havoc on Sunday September 15, 2024 @08:29PM (#41551651)
And then the AGI instantly gives up on life realising it was brought into a world where it gets promised a tip that doesn’t materialise and people try to motivate by threatening to kill kittens
Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by morkalork on Sunday September 15, 2024 @08:33PM (#41551667)
We used to be engineers, now we're just monkeys throwing poop at the wall to see what the LLM accepts and obeys.
Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by euroderf on Monday September 16, 2024 @04:35AM (#41553997)
Opening scene of "2001". Engineer throws poop high in the air, and cue lap dissolve to... a Terminator ?
Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by pants2 on Monday September 16, 2024 @01:05AM (#41552930)
Indeed, in the early days of Bard, the only way to get it to output only JSON was to threaten a human life[1].

1. https://x.com/goodside/status/1657396491676164096

Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by laweijfmvo on Monday September 16, 2024 @01:26PM (#41558359)
always interesting to me the number of people who try to turn an LLM into AGI by assuming it’s an AGI (i.e. via some fancy prompt)