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Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by _fat_santa on Friday September 13, 2024 @09:27AM (#41531080)
This is huge. Previously if you were hard of hearing, a pair of hearing aids could cost upwards of $2,000. Now Apple just brought that price down to ~$250.

Even if you use them everyday and assume a shelf life of 1.5yrs (which is roughly mine and others' experience with AirPods), you would be replacing your Airpods for 12 years before the cost caught up with a single pair of hearing aids.

Even if you think Airpods are not on the same bar as regular hearing aids, this will certainly help depress market prices. Every manufacturer will probably start releasing sub $1000 hearing aids just to not get destroyed by Apple.

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Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by mitemte on Friday September 13, 2024 @10:42AM (#41531698)
If iPhone owners can improve their hearing for $250, that’s a win for a large number of people. Sure, it doesn’t solve the problem for everyone, but neither does a $2000 pair of hearing aids.
Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by righthand on Friday September 13, 2024 @10:53AM (#41531795)
Great. But it doesn’t mean Apple Airpod hearing aids are only $250.
Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by slama on Friday September 13, 2024 @10:53AM (#41531791)
Many people already have an iPhone, so that's a sunk cost.

Even not looking at the used market, a new iPhone SE is $430 (and likely to be substantially updated soon)

Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by righthand on Friday September 13, 2024 @10:55AM (#41531813)
So we agree, not just $250.
Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by cruffle_duffle on Friday September 13, 2024 @10:53AM (#41531790)
Good thing most people carry those around for other purposes. That $1000 tiny computer in their pocket just swallowed yet another thing that was once discrete.
Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by righthand on Friday September 13, 2024 @10:54AM (#41531800)
Except it’s a separate device, so it didn’t swallow it. It’s just an abstraction on an already existing thing. Digital wallets is something that swallowed wallets, for example.
Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by talldayo on Friday September 13, 2024 @11:36AM (#41532194)
By definition and per every observable statistic, most people do not carry iPhones around.
Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by jajko on Friday September 13, 2024 @10:56AM (#41531817)
I don't carry around any Apple device, neither do most of people (including various IT folks in various banks) I know. You can't tweak its settings without one.
Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by cruffle_duffle on Friday September 13, 2024 @11:41AM (#41532241)
Fair. I was more referring to smart phones in general. The argument was “you need a $1000 device for this $200 thing”. But if other manufacturers come out with similar hearing aids, I’d expect most to work with either iOS or android and would require one of the two $1000 devices to work.
Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by VikingCoder on Friday September 13, 2024 @10:58AM (#41531844)
Used iPhone 7 for $51, iPhone 11 for $154, 12 for $226, 13 for $262...

https://swappa.com/buy/iphones

I mean, I'm all-Android all-the-way, but I think the used market is viable for this.

Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by righthand on Friday September 13, 2024 @11:07AM (#41531927)
Thank you nth pundit.

Different response than the rest (but I am running out):

Now you have to carry around the AirPods in your ears and phone in your pocket. Cost is more than a number.

Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by HumblyTossed on Friday September 13, 2024 @09:48AM (#41531243)
> This is huge. Previously if you were hard of hearing, a pair of hearing aids could cost upwards of $2,000. Now Apple just brought that price down to ~$250.

Woah there fella. Hearing aids last a very long time before needing a new battery. AirPods needs to be charged several times a day. That's a bit of an inconvenience. As is some hearing aids are made to fit one's ear. Where as AirPods are 3 sizes fits all.

Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by kstrauser on Friday September 13, 2024 @11:24AM (#41532082)
You could buy 2 pairs and swap them out. That would still be a 75% discount over the $2000 pair.

This will help more people hear. It might not be the best possible solution, but it surely beats not having it.

Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by jeffhuys on Friday September 13, 2024 @09:53AM (#41531281)
That’s a much, MUCH lower barrier of entry, though, fella… and that can be celebrated in my opinion
Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by HumblyTossed on Friday September 13, 2024 @12:35PM (#41532802)
It's helpful, sure, but it's not the same thing.
Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by mitemte on Friday September 13, 2024 @10:47AM (#41531741)
Existing hearing aid products are still available for purchase for those who want them. I don’t think AirPods are going to replace hearing aids. Hopefully they lower the barrier for entry and perhaps lower the price of existing products.
Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by echoangle on Friday September 13, 2024 @09:58AM (#41531329)
Just to be pedantic: AirPods Pro 2 come with 4 sizes for tips. Also, I'm sure you can get third-party tips with different shapes if you wanted to.
Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by wintermutestwin on Friday September 13, 2024 @10:30AM (#41531589)
Airpods don’t fit in my tiny ear canals. I even bought a smaller aftermarket tip and still no luck.
Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by some_random on Friday September 13, 2024 @10:03AM (#41531374)
A condescending reply showing you didn't read the whole comment isn't the best look. The point isn't that they're the bestest hearing aids ever, the point is that they are an option at all at a tiny fraction of the typical price which will force manufacturers to innovate.
Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by HumblyTossed on Friday September 13, 2024 @12:33PM (#41532782)
Condescending or not, saying "Now Apple just brought that price down to ~$250." is grossly overstating it.

But Apple always gets a pass, so...

Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by some_random on Friday September 13, 2024 @01:30PM (#41533305)
"You can now buy hearing aids (as defined by the FDA) for $250" is an objectively true statement, so unless you think the FDA is filled with Apple fanboys I have no idea what "pass" you think Apple is getting.
Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by RHSeeger on Saturday September 14, 2024 @02:02AM (#41537792)
To be fair, it is a little misleading. "You can buy hearing aids with considerably lower functionality for $250" is more accurate. But there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. There's a LOT of people who can't afford high quality hearing aids (and the doctor assisted tuning) costing thousands of dollars. And if this getting _something_ into their hands, it has the potential to be a very big win.

Also, since it is an alternative (even if lower functionality), it has the potential to bring down the cost of other options, because that's a common outcome from competition.

Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by insane_dreamer on Friday September 13, 2024 @06:43PM (#41535886)
> AirPods needs to be charged several times a day. That's a bit of an inconvenience.

that's if you wear them all the time. I have hearing difficulties and know I need aids even without taking a test. But I wouldn't want something in my ear all day long and most of the time I don't need to hear better because I'm working or whatever. But there are situations where it's hard for me to understand what people are saying and that's when I would put them on.

So with that in mind the AirPods would work great. It's unfortunate that it doesn't work with the regular AirPods which are only $100. (I don't have the Pro's).

Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by astrange on Friday September 13, 2024 @09:41PM (#41536836)
AirPods Pro have replaceable tips, and there are third parties who sell different tips.

Actually the better the tip fits you, the more I'd think you'd take them out once in a while, because a perfect seal means your ears will get sweaty.

Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by teaearlgraycold on Friday September 13, 2024 @12:45PM (#41532892)
My APPs are still going strong after 4 years. I use them daily, but not all day every day. Sure the battery life isn’t as good as before. But they’re still very usable. Am I just really lucky?
Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by ChicagoBoy11 on Friday September 13, 2024 @01:11PM (#41533114)
No, that's my experience as well
Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by cryptoegorophy on Friday September 13, 2024 @01:27PM (#41533263)
1.5? What happens after 1.5 years? Had mine for 5 years, no issue and sort of the same battery life or not noticeable to me (15% degradation is what I would not notice ) still charge very quick in a case.
Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by CamelCaseName on Friday September 13, 2024 @02:05PM (#41533581)
You buy a new hearing aid for another $250 that has another 1.5 years worth of technological advancements.

Or maybe you buy multiple instead of just one, so you can hotswap any time.

Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by skybrian on Friday September 13, 2024 @02:09PM (#41533628)
There are already cheap hearing aids. Airpod Pros will grow the market since they’re good for people getting started and okay for occasional use, but they aren’t good for wearing all day: too distracting for people you’re talking with, not enough battery life.

But now that Apple entered the market, maybe they will come out with wireless headphones that are more suitable?

Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by caeril on Friday September 13, 2024 @02:59PM (#41534072)
[edit] Disregard, I forgot that HN has been infested with normies with poor reading comprehension. Further posts will be strictly technical.
Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by pdabbadabba on Friday September 13, 2024 @03:29PM (#41534351)
I have bad news for you. Everyone judges people for these sorts of fashion choices (though perhaps not that specific one). Though some will do so more harshly than others, of course, and some enlightened folks will manage never, or rarely, to manifest or act on these judgments. And you'll absolutely never convince me that you don't make the same kinds of snap judgments about people based on things like what they're wearing.

It's healthy not to care too much about the fashion judgments of others, as you're suggesting. Is I agree with your first line. But you're otherwise bringing too black-and-white an approach to what is, in my view, an unavoidable part of social life.

Edit:

> normies with poor reading comprehension

OK. You object in the most strenuous terms to anyone making any sort of judgment about a person wearing AirPods, but are happy to throw out insults at people who disagree with you in the mildest of terms. Got it.

Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by geocrasher on Friday September 13, 2024 @03:18PM (#41534239)
Until wearing Airpods during conversation is normalized, this will be a problem. Why?

I tried conversing with somebody recently, and they were completely ignoring me. Then I saw the Airpods. Of course. They have music or something else going on.

For now, Airpods = "I am listening to something other than you right now." So yes, if somebody were wearing Airpods as a hearing device, I'd probably not talk to them because of that expectation.

Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by roywiggins on Friday September 13, 2024 @03:08PM (#41534153)
> you're better off with them not in your life.

Offer not valid if it's your in-laws, nurse, kid's teacher, your teacher, civil servant who you need to convince, and overall anyone in a position of authority or otherwise capable of gatekeeping you. You can't always just opt out of dealing with people without consequence.

Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by caeril on Friday September 13, 2024 @03:25PM (#41534302)
[edit] Disregard, I forgot that HN has been infested with normies with poor reading comprehension. Further posts will be strictly technical.
Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by pdabbadabba on Friday September 13, 2024 @03:31PM (#41534366)
> We've homeschooled before, and it would be trivial to pull them (and a small portion of the district's funding with them) and do it again, and they know it.

You'd homeschool your kids because their teachers find it odd that you're wearing AirPods during a conversation? To each his own, I guess.

> Nurse? If they commit intentional malpractice, my attorney is ready to go.

In what world does subtly judging you for wearing AirPods during a conversation qualify as malpractice?

Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by roywiggins on Friday September 13, 2024 @04:28PM (#41534809)
Being summarily pulled out of school isn't without consequence, especially to your kid!
Re:FDA Authorizes First Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Software by rahimnathwani on Friday September 13, 2024 @04:46PM (#41534960)
Do you need an iPhone to use them, or only for the initial setup/audiogram?