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Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by sfink on Tuesday August 13, 2024 @04:29PM (#41239461)
I long assumed that the Earth is a "water planet" because water is mostly what you see from a distance. It wasn't until I did the math that I realized that is really about wet rocks in space vs dry rocks in space.

Earth isn't made of water, it's just a damp rock. Or a bowling ball that you squirted a dozen times with a spray bottle.

Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by jvanderbot on Tuesday August 13, 2024 @07:45PM (#41241043)
There are moons out there that are more like giant snowballs - so much water that it dwarfs even our reserves.
Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by DaoVeles on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @03:08AM (#41243344)
There was an old sci-fi trope that the reason aliens attack earth is to get at our water.

The problem with that was, 1. there are better sources of water (the oort cloud) and 2. they aren't stuck in an gravity well.

Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by Intralexical on Tuesday August 13, 2024 @05:38PM (#41240124)
"Squirt with a spray bottle" is a nice euphemism for throwing asteroids at.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_water_on_Earth#Aster...

Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by stavros on Tuesday August 13, 2024 @08:19PM (#41241265)
They mean in terms of the ratio of water to rock.
Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by sfink on Tuesday August 13, 2024 @08:45PM (#41241434)
Well, the spray bottle was more to spread the water out into a thin layer as opposed to something like crashing an icy asteroid in at one spot.

I have a mental image of a gigantic cosmic being grabbing the Earth, wiping off the wet stuff with a rag, and bowling it at Proxima Centauri.

Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by noisy_boy on Tuesday August 13, 2024 @10:39PM (#41242041)
Reminds me of the ending of Men In Black (1997).
Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by RIMR on Tuesday August 13, 2024 @05:53PM (#41240246)
The ballpark math is easy to do in your head too. The diameter of Earth is 8,000 miles, and the deepest point in the ocean, the Mariana Trench, is only 7 miles deep. It's immediately apparent that the oceans are tiny by comparison to the rest of the mass that is Earth.
Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by tejohnso on Tuesday August 13, 2024 @06:51PM (#41240685)
Neil DeGrasse Tyson says the earth scaled down to the size of a billiard ball would be smoother than any billiard ball ever made.
Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by hnburnsy on Tuesday August 13, 2024 @08:00PM (#41241158)
This analyzed and the results were mixed...

https://billiards.colostate.edu/bd_articles/2013/june13.pdf

>So, based on the data, just how smooth is a CB? And how does this smoothness compare to the surface of the Earth? The highest point on earth is Mount Everest, which is about 29,000 feet above sea level; and the lowest point (in the earth’s crust) is Mariana’s Trench, which is about 36,000 feet below sea level. The larger number (36,000 feet) corresponds to about 1700 parts per million (0.17%) as compared to the average radius of the Earth (about 4000 miles). The largest peak or trench for all of the balls I tested was about 3 microns (for the Elephant Practice Ball). This corresponds to about 100 parts per million (0.01%) as compared to the radius of a pool ball (1 1/8 inch). Therefore, it would appear that a pool ball (even the worst one tested) is much smoother than the Earth would be if it were shrunk down to the size of a pool ball. However, the Earth is actually much smoother than the numbers imply over most of its surface. A 1x1 millimeter area on a pool ball (the physical size of the images) corresponds to about a 140x140 mile area on the Earth. Such a small area certainly doesn’t include things like Mount Everest and Mariana’s Trench in the same locale. And in many places, especially places like Louisiana, where I grew up, the Earth’s surface is very flat and smooth over this area size. Therefore, much of the Earth’s surface would be much smoother than a pool ball if it were shrunk down to the same size.

Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by poikroequ on Tuesday August 13, 2024 @07:17PM (#41240832)
Not completely accurate, it depends on your definition of smoothness. The Earth scaled down to the size of a billiard ball would have a texture more like sandpaper, certainly not what most people would consider smooth.
Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by nirav72 on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @02:49AM (#41243250)
Sandpaper also come in different roughness. So in this case maybe a 300-400 grit sandpaper?
Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by aspectmin on Tuesday August 13, 2024 @06:44PM (#41240627)
An interesting exercise is to do this exact same calculation with the atmosphere.
Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by jvm___ on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @06:16AM (#41244494)
It's fun to scale down the Earth's depth to a 8 metre long measuring tape on the floor and then having kids guess things lik, how deep is the ocean, how deep is the deepest hole we've ever dug, how high is the atmosphere.

Adding in how far of a drive is it to X place or how far of a walk is it, is also fun.

Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by oorza on Tuesday August 13, 2024 @05:17PM (#41239950)
Closer to a bowling ball that picked up a drop of beer from your hands.
Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by nwiswell on Tuesday August 13, 2024 @05:33PM (#41240094)
This didn't sound right, so I did the math.

The volume of all water is 1,386,000,000 km^3, which is then 1.386e+21 liters, or right about the same number of kilograms.

The mass of Earth is about 5.972e+24 kg. So the percent fraction by mass is 0.0232%.

A "drop" is typically estimated at 1/20th of one mL, which is then 0.05 grams. We can estimate the mass of a small-ish bowling ball at 5kg, or 5000 grams. 0.05 / 5000 * 100 = 0.001%.

So it's an order of magnitude shy, but that's still closer than I expected! It's about 1 ml of beer on a bowling ball - a small splash. Or maybe a very large drop.

Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by ahazred8ta on Tuesday August 13, 2024 @07:42PM (#41241029)
The sphere of water would have a surface gravity of 0.016 g, 1.6% of Earth's gravity, 1/10th of the Moon's gravity.
Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by lazide on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @08:08AM (#41245130)
Alas, the atmosphere it could hold would be insufficient to avoid it all vaporizing.
Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by arrowleaf on Tuesday August 13, 2024 @06:14PM (#41240388)
You'd have to use the volume of earth, not the mass. Google tells me that lava is ~3x denser than water.
Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by rachofsunshine on Tuesday August 13, 2024 @06:29PM (#41240516)
Lava is not really representative of the Earth as a whole, as it turns out. The mantle (which is the vast majority of Earth's volume) isn't a liquid, it's a squishy deformable solid. Magma that comes from the mantle is only liquid because of the removal of pressure or the addition of water; it wasn't liquid down there. And a lot of lava comes from crustal melting, not mantle material.

Earth as a whole has a density about 5.5x that of water.

Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by silisili on Tuesday August 13, 2024 @05:53PM (#41240248)
Thanks. This really put it in perspective for me better than the image or other analogies!
Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by nvader on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @03:13AM (#41243368)
A dash.
Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by outop on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @05:31AM (#41244265)
The picture already answers this question. If the earth was a bowling ball the blue sphere would be much bigger than a single drop, maybe slightly bigger than a popping boba, the size of a small grape?
Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by netsharc on Tuesday August 13, 2024 @06:29PM (#41240514)
> Earth isn't made of water, it's just a damp rock. Or a bowling ball that you squirted a dozen times with a spray bottle.

Yeah, the image with the oceans being dry is wow-inducing... On further thought, of course it'd be very close a sphere, because gravity forces it to be. A sphere where e.g. a slice of it is water (imagine a clementine with one of its segments being water) would be very wobbly if even possible at all..

Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by hughesjj on Tuesday August 13, 2024 @10:19PM (#41241946)
Yup, the mere fact that we can have oceans and continents on a planet means we can only have so much water, lest we become a water world or something more like mars.

I do wonder if the OP includes water locked away in rocks though, to my understanding the majority of the water is in the mantle and not even the oceans, but my source is my butt for that one

Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by ars on Tuesday August 13, 2024 @05:19PM (#41239973)
Earth isn't even really a "rock", it's mostly a ball of iron.

It's a ball of iron covered with rocks (i.e. metal oxides) cover with water (i.e. hydrogen oxide).

Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by zamadatix on Tuesday August 13, 2024 @05:42PM (#41240155)
I don't buy it. Even allowing counting iron as separate from what rocks can be composed of (and using mass instead of volume) you still have 30.1%+15.1%=45.2% of the Earth as oxygen and silicon (which are most certainly part of what makes a rock) at which point you've already disproved the claim Earth is more a ball of iron than a ball of rock.

A ball of iron covered with a ball of rocks is a more fair statement though, and I'd agree with that. It's just that center ball isn't most of what makes up the Earth (by any measure).

Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by ars on Tuesday August 13, 2024 @06:13PM (#41240376)
https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/courses-images-archive-re...

Everything up to and including the mantle is either iron or has a lot of iron. But to your point the mantle also has a lot of silica. So I guess it depends on your definition of "mostly".

Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by dredmorbius on Tuesday August 13, 2024 @06:40PM (#41240599)
Mass is the defining characteristic of a quantity of matter. Given that much of the iron is under far higher compression than the outer layers of silicate rock, this also advantages iron.

By mass, iron (32.1%) is still a minority constituent of the Earth.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abundance_of_the_chemical_elem...>

Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by spencerchubb on Tuesday August 13, 2024 @04:59PM (#41239791)
> damp rock

lol it's funny when you put it that way

Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by kristianpaul on Tuesday August 13, 2024 @10:06PM (#41241893)
rock that moves and is hot inside so a magnetic fields generates from its motion and protect us from the sun particles
Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by hoseja on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @03:41AM (#41243579)
It is quite incredible that there is just enough water for a continuous ocean and also dry land, not either just a couple ponds or a waterworld.
Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by Kaibeezy on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @05:58AM (#41244398)
Oceanus's ocean tosses with slow, tall waves, beneath a pale blue sky. The colonists live in tall cities of steel and concrete with buildings sealed against the planet's harsh environment, on platforms floating on the planet-wide ocean. They spend their time pursuing art, leisure, and spiritual fulfilment, while automatic machines take care of their material needs.
Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by keepamovin on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @06:55AM (#41244677)
Mars is the same, right? Just the water is locked 20 - 200km beneath the surface from recent discoveries.
Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by veunes on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @10:03AM (#41246206)
This water is locked away in the form of ice
Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by veunes on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @10:02AM (#41246197)
It's true that while water covers about 71% of Earth's surface, it's just a thin layer compared to the planet's overall volume.
Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by zuminator on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @10:37AM (#41246616)
Even so, it's still a pretty substantial amount. Larger than Ceres, for example.
Re:All of Earth's water in a single sphere by rmbyrro on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @12:05PM (#41247622)
> I long assumed

Understandably, since, in this case, surface area is more intuitively captured by our brains than volume.

Also because we are very small. The amount of water, from our perspective, makes it look like a water planet.