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Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by hypeatei on Sunday July 07, 2024 @03:43PM (#40899932)
You can see a list of current gTLDs here: https://data.iana.org/TLD/tlds-alpha-by-domain.txt

Some of the entries in there are... interesting. Who the hell thought ".travelersinsurance" is a good buy?

Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by Animats on Sunday July 07, 2024 @04:08PM (#40900089)
How many of those are even routed to anywhere?

Browsers don't like to route directly to TLDs. In theory, Amazon could have a web site at

    amazon
but browsers interpret that as a search request, not a request for a rooted domain name. Even

    amazon.
which means to treat that as a fully qualified domain name doesn't work in browsers any more.

(That's what the trailing "." means. Relative domain names were a thing. If you're on a machine within "bigu.edu", and you want "ourteam.bigu.edu", you can supposedly just use "ourteam" as a domain. This rarely works right, because few clients have domain names any more. Is it even still implemented in most DNS lookup clients?)

Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by zb3 on Sunday July 07, 2024 @04:23PM (#40900185)
Doesn't Google use "go" internally? Is it special cased like localhost?
Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by marksomnian on Sunday July 07, 2024 @04:36PM (#40900272)
I believe http://go isn’t special cased, but instead (ab)uses DNS search domains - the server is actually something like go.corp.google.com, and all Google PCs are configured to use corp.google.com as a search domain
Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by Animats on Sunday July 07, 2024 @05:25PM (#40900560)
That's normal DNS behavior. If your machine is foo15241.corp.google.com, and you ask DNS for "go", you are supposed to get "go.corp.google.com".
Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by zamadatix on Sunday July 07, 2024 @04:35PM (#40900268)
Unofficial TLDs work fine without being special cased (well, so long as the browser is being pointed at the appropriate DNS server which knows about these entries), it's when the TLD itself is used as a URL you have to enter "http://tld." instead of just typing "tld." but any sub like "example.tld." still works automatically.
Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by zamadatix on Sunday July 07, 2024 @04:32PM (#40900248)
FWIW "http://amazon." still does what you want it to in Chrome and Firefox.
Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by Animats on Sunday July 07, 2024 @04:56PM (#40900390)
Huh. HTTP works, but HTTPS does not.
Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by zamadatix on Monday July 08, 2024 @07:28AM (#40904426)
HTTPS for dotless domains (a bit of a misnomer but it can help in finding good reading material about it) should also work fine on the same browsers. That said, most dotless domains don't run it because they've historically not been given certs due to security concerns. As an example: https://uz./ likely just had the *.cctld.uz cert applied to the whole virtual server block and uz was just one of the names assigned to that block.

Bonus fact: https://. works on Firefox (triggers an A/AAAA DNS query for root) but not Chrome.

Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by ocdtrekkie on Sunday July 07, 2024 @11:05PM (#40902279)
This may be an antifeature if someone's environment has a host on the LAN named amazon.
Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by denkmoon on Sunday July 07, 2024 @11:27PM (#40902368)
Note the trailing ., it's an FQDN. Your system/application shouldn't use search domains if provided a fqdn.

hence under a properly set up DNS and application: system with search domain for `.internal` and a host named `amazon` will be hit the internal host for `https://amazon` and `https://amazon.internal` but not `https://amazon.`

Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by jimbobthrowawy on Sunday July 07, 2024 @04:34PM (#40900264)
ICANN expressly forbid google, and other companies from operating these gTLDs as "dotless" domains back when they approved them. Annoyingly, URLs like "maps.google" aren't set up to go where you'd expect.
Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by KMnO4 on Sunday July 07, 2024 @08:06PM (#40901538)
It’s crazy that maps.google doesn’t exist, but sheets.new and docs.new both work.
Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by pests on Sunday July 07, 2024 @11:43PM (#40902443)
Those .new TLDs have specific requirements as in you are required to use it for creating a new "YOUR_DOMAIN" resource.

Maps is a little weird because while originally they were bundling maps and search and a bunch of products together they have had to back off on that strategy due to the recent antitrust concerns and bundling so now they are purposefully separating the products and the domains further.

Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by prettymuchnoone on Sunday July 07, 2024 @09:12PM (#40901836)
I think they've been (slowly) migrating things over--passwords.google and blog.google and a few others exist nowadays
Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by 1oooqooq on Sunday July 07, 2024 @11:35PM (#40902402)
it's very by design on that example. maps.google.com also stopped working a long time ago.
Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by tasuki on Monday July 08, 2024 @01:48AM (#40902896)
No?

    $ curl -v maps.google.com
    [...]
    < HTTP/1.1 302 Found
    < Location: http://maps.google.com/maps
    [...]
Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by 1oooqooq on Monday July 08, 2024 @11:16AM (#40906173)
keep going...
Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by PawgerZ on Monday July 08, 2024 @09:49AM (#40905426)
It still works, but it redirects to google.com/maps
Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by jmb99 on Sunday July 07, 2024 @06:54PM (#40901175)
I’ve found that it works pretty well, at least in my home environment. The first time going to a new host, it has to include https, but subsequent visits auto-complete to the host rather than a web search.

For example, I can type “opnsense” and hit enter, which loads https://opnsense, whose FQDN is opnsense.home.my.domain. This works on all machines on my network; most are configured to use home.my.domain as the primary search domain (through DHCP), but my DNS server also properly responds to queries for just the host portion. And, I’ve configured opnsense to hijack all (standard) DNS traffic on my network, so even if a device is specifically ignoring the DHCP-provided search domain and DNS server, it should be able to query all local hosts.

Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by stephen_g on Sunday July 07, 2024 @11:45PM (#40902449)
I’ve used search domains in corporate networks, yes it’s still a thing and fully supported. I’d always tell somebody to type [name][forward-slash] in their browser, like ‘jira/‘ to get to our internal Jira server, which would always convince the browser to actually do a DNS lookup and not a search. Worked well.

I liked alway having a rule in the web server to redirect to the fully qualified hostname on requests to the internal ones, so links could be shared and would always work even if the search domain wasn’t set up (could happen on the VPN for example).

Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by fmajid on Monday July 08, 2024 @03:00AM (#40903191)
There’s an entire library, libpsl, dedicated to checking the public suffix list, and that needs to be updated whenever some marketing department has a brain fart because ICANN needed more cash for its CEO’s cocaine budget.
Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by bahmboo on Sunday July 07, 2024 @03:54PM (#40899999)
Travelers Insurance is a huge company 98th on Fortune 500 list
Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by lolinder on Sunday July 07, 2024 @04:10PM (#40900103)
That doesn't explain why Travelers Insurance thought that they needed their own gTLD. Size as measured in dollars isn't really relevant—Berkshire Hathaway is #5 and doesn't have one—what matters is size as measured in registered domain names (for internal or external use).

Basically no one outside of big tech has the volume of domain names to justify paying for their own gTLD, Fortune 500 or not.

Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by snowwrestler on Sunday July 07, 2024 @09:13PM (#40901843)
Berkshire Hathaway is not a consumer brand; Travelers Insurance is. And some consumer brands are willing to spend very large amounts of money to forestall brand confusion, squatting, impersonation, etc. They probably bought their TLDs for the same reason they own travlers.com and many other variations: so no one else can use it either.
Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by toast0 on Sunday July 07, 2024 @04:08PM (#40900094)
Sure, but did they need a tld? What are they going to use it for that travelers.com isn't a better choice?

How much money did they light on fire to have a tld and what utility does it provide?

Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by AnthonyMouse on Sunday July 07, 2024 @04:59PM (#40900405)
Not only that, .insurance is a TLD, so why didn't they just get travelers.insurance?
Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by lmz on Sunday July 07, 2024 @07:28PM (#40901340)
More control?
Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by johannes1234321 on Sunday July 07, 2024 @10:55PM (#40902236)
They don't need it. But they don't want anybody else to have it either. With such a generic and descriptive name trade mark protection isn't easy.
Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by bombcar on Monday July 08, 2024 @09:22AM (#40905188)
And if GTLDs had become the AOL keyword of the 2010s they would have really been pissed if they missed out.

I could see a world where GTLDs were given extreme preference by search engines and browsers, but that world isn't ours.

Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by johannes1234321 on Monday July 08, 2024 @07:19PM (#40910837)
Well, ICANN explicitly forbid using just the TLD, so https://google/ was forbidden and you need at least https://blog.google/
Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by hypeatei on Sunday July 07, 2024 @04:07PM (#40900079)
Yeah but it's an awful domain name lol
Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by griftrejection on Sunday July 07, 2024 @04:45PM (#40900336)
And that's why they're bad using gTLDs anyone would actually ever want to use. "Hey, fellow youths, check out our snazzy new website: statefarm.travelersinsurance! So easy to type on your IBM keyboard, amirite?"
Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by bastawhiz on Sunday July 07, 2024 @04:41PM (#40900318)
If you're the CTO of Travelers Insurance, I bet you think it's a real banger of a TLD
Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by observationist on Sunday July 07, 2024 @04:48PM (#40900354)
https://www.101domain.com/travelersinsurance.htm

They got .travelers and .travelersinsurance , maybe some others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Travelers_Companies - with a 32 billion dollar yearly revenue, they can afford a lot of boondoggle nonsense projects. They probably assigned a bunch of people with insufficient technical knowledge and a vague project scope the objective of updating their cloud and web presence.

Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by mulmen on Sunday July 07, 2024 @07:26PM (#40901326)
Revenue isn’t profit. It’s entirely possible to lose money on $32 billion in revenue.

Your link says Travelers Companies had ~$3 billion of net income (profit) on ~$42 billion in revenue.

That’s still not enough information to say what they can “afford” because opportunity cost exists.

Re:ICANN's list of abandoned vanity TLDs, which now has abou... by observationist on Monday July 08, 2024 @10:50AM (#40905945)
You only get silly TLD projects if the overall revenue of your company exceeds some threshold; other companies can't afford that level of mistake. Profits and loss don't matter as much as how much money is coming and going - look at ISPs, with the massive amounts of money shuffling that goes on between the top 5 at a global scale. Quantity is a quality all its own, in these cases; it might only be a fraction of a percent of a budget over the course of a decade, but the real world gets to see tens or hundreds of millions of dollars essentially wasted.

Project managers and MBAs get to rationalize their degrees and theories, because after all, they wouldn't be getting paid by ABCXYZ, Inc and managing million dollar budgets if their project wasn't top-class and 100% justified. You might have to keep firing new hires that mention anything about the whole TLD thing being ridiculous, but they were just negative energy anti-social people who wouldn't have fit the company culture anyway.