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Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by nvarsj on Saturday June 01, 2024 @10:45AM (#40546148)
> What I find most strange about the modern day piracy is quality.

For a lot of pirates, it's a niche hobby to preserve the best quality version of some media / art. I see it as an underground librarian archivist movement.

In 100 years iTunes may be dead, but there will be some person with every album available in high quality lossless FLAC. Same with Netflix and it's bit starved encodes.

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by pavlov on Saturday June 01, 2024 @11:50AM (#40546731)
Indeed. Many of these pirates are the most devoted fans of the music they store and distribute. They go to gigs, buy merchandise and vinyl editions, and otherwise support the artists directly.

In contrast companies like Spotify don’t care about the music at all. They would just as well sell you white noise if it would somehow give them the slightest improvement in growth or margins.

Daniel Ek, CEO of Spotify, regularly makes statements that suggest he’d rather see professional musicians disappear. Most recently:

https://www.nme.com/news/music/music-fans-and-artists-hit-ba...

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by listenallyall on Saturday June 01, 2024 @01:33PM (#40547601)
> Many of these pirates are the most devoted fans of the music

...but most are simply pirates, completely detached from the music or the artist. Let's not glorify them.

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by rickdicker on Saturday June 01, 2024 @01:56PM (#40547767)
Presumably if you're pirating music you aren't "completely detached" from the music - otherwise why would you do it?
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by ineptech on Saturday June 01, 2024 @02:26PM (#40547961)
In the early 80s, the local pirate scene in my hometown revolved around a guy who I'll call George. George's entire basement was devoted to boxes full of diskettes (5 1/4" in those days) of pirated software and photocopied documentation. All kinds of software - games, office apps, scientific stuff, you name it. Some was downloaded from BBS's but the majority of it was shipped USPS from god knows who.

Thing is, he used virtually none of it. He collected software for the sake of collecting it. He didn't even play video games, just loaded them up once to make sure they ran. He was a hoarder basically, who had stumbled into a niche hobby, and like most hobbyists he would happily share it with anyone who asked.

I'm not saying every pirate is like that, or even most, but I am saying, I don't think the pirate scene works without people like that. The music fans are spokes, but people who do it for the sake of doing it are the hubs.

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by al_borland on Saturday June 01, 2024 @02:38PM (#40548041)
For the hoarders that don’t share, I don’t really see much of an issue. Sure, they have all that stuff, but they would have never bought it. It’s not actually a lost sale.
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by afavour on Saturday June 01, 2024 @06:17PM (#40549545)
Hoarding.

I’m half joking but all these tools to automatically download TVs and movies has absolutely led to this class of user that habitually downloads stuff just for the sake of doing it. Terabytes of movies they have no interest in. The psychology of it fascinates me.

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by hebocon on Saturday June 01, 2024 @09:21PM (#40550613)
The answers for content for which I have interest revolve around cost, availability, quality, and convenience.

For everything else (a minority): an excuse to play with my servers, cosplaying as an archivist, and "number must go up" for NAS size :)

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by dasil003 on Saturday June 01, 2024 @02:20PM (#40547910)
Wait, what? There are so many assumptions packed into this statement.

Why should we view things through the lens of whether we are glorifying pirates or not? Is your assertion we should be condemning them? Why? Is it because they are taking bread out of the mouths of musicians? Is it equally bad if Spotify uses their leverage to commoditize and devalue music so musicians can no longer make meaningful money from recorded music? What about music labels who structure deals so they get the bulk of the money for a fraction of the work?

I'm curious to understand the principles you hold that give you such a black and white view on piracy.

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by listenallyall on Saturday June 01, 2024 @06:33PM (#40549669)
First, when someone uses "many" and "most", it indicates they are avoiding "a black and white view," by acknowledging there are some exceptions.

As to the main point, no individual has the right to take someone else's intellectual property (such as songs, movies, books, etc that were often created by large teams of people over months or years) and, without asking any permission, "liberate" that content so that it can be freely copied and consumed by virtually anyone, anywhere, around the world, without recognition or attribution.

The question isn't whether distribution of the work ultimately does or does not benefit the creator(s), which it often does. It's that the "pirate" has no right to independently make the irreversible decision to freely distribute the content.

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by MrVandemar on Saturday June 01, 2024 @09:17PM (#40550589)
Copyright impedes accessibility, an important human right. The “pirates” sometimes “liberate” content that has no hope of being released due to a snarl of copyright and artificial regional restrictions.

For example: audio description. Audio description is an accessibility technology that allows people who are blind or low vision to watch films, essentially by providing an extra soundtrack with a narrator concisely providing context for what's going on that can't be accounted for by dialogue or sound effects.

I have owned, in my life, 5 copies of the film Alien. None of those versions are audio described. Up until last year there was no way to hear a described version without resorting to “piracy”. The only way to hear a (mediocre version with a synth voice instead of an expressive human one) described version is to pretend to be in Canada, or attend a theatre capable of delivering AD with the new re-release. It's not a world-wide release.

So, sitting here in a cow-paddock in rural Western Australia, I still have no legal way to watch the audio described version of an oscar-winning film over 40 years old. Having paid 5 times for it, damn right I pirate that. And while I am not vision impaired, there are many others who are who depend on AD to participate in culture, and when they find barriers to that, they pirate that content too.

I have films on DVD I paid for, but cannot legally watch because I'm too many kilometers from some notional border or other. Damn right I “pirated” those!

As to your main point, you note that no individual has the right to take someone else's intellectual property. I presume you are giving your ethical blessing and a free pass to OpenAI and Midjourney et. al. who have provably leveraged a pirated corpus into highly profitable products?

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by defrost on Saturday June 01, 2024 @09:26PM (#40550638)
> So, sitting here in a cow-paddock in rural Western Australia, I still have no legal way to watch the audio described version of an oscar-winning film over 40 years old.

Put a note up in the nearest local store, invite someone from the foodbank around and swap a meal for them describing what happens as you watch the film together.

FWiW I'm also currently living in wheatbelt W.Australia, my father (born 1935) makes a habit of helping out older people (Meals on Wheels, book reading, etc) in the local area that are struggling ..

You might have more legal options than you realise.

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by MrVandemar on Saturday June 01, 2024 @09:54PM (#40550724)
Hail and well-met!

(Where I am the community is not so great. If you need a casserole, they're in your corner. If you supported gay marriage, and if prefer to do indigenous patch burning instead of let it turn into a wildfire so you can be a hero, then you're about as welcome as a blowfly).

Anyway I'm not vision impaired, I just enjoy audio described films while I'm doing chores or commuting.

Audio description is very much an art, and while some do resort to ad hoc description from friends, it's often clumsy and not immersive. Producing the real thing is highly asymmetric to the film run-time. It takes about 2 hours to properly describe about 20 minutes of a film, depending on the overal genre.

The blind community face an even greater hurdle. I've heard so many stories of blind people signing up to a streaming platform to watch a film, only for the audio description not be avaiable on that platform for that film. Because streaming platform X doesn't have the rights to the AD produced by streaming platform Y. It also leads to a great deal of redundancy as multiple services create entirely distinct AD tracks for the same film. It's crazy!

Piracy is the only way some of these movies and television shows can be enjoyed by some people, and often those people are of limited means.

It's raining here. Hope you get some. :-)

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by defrost on Sunday June 02, 2024 @01:18AM (#40551564)
"But not too much" (rain) :-)

I did some digital | electronic support work for the WA Institute for the Blind(?) in Perth back in 1984 (ish) and understand the value of goo audio description (and piracy .. or file sharing in hobbyist communities as I might think of it) so I understand your position.

Just being that person on teh internet that likes to point out there are many ways to skin cats .. not that we do that in the country anymore.

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by listenallyall on Saturday June 01, 2024 @09:56PM (#40550729)
Stange presumption on your part... groups, companies, associations, teams, cooperatives, guilds, whatever... they are collections of individuals and no, they don't have any right to piracy. That includes anyone working on or involved in AI, so if it is unclear to you, I absolutely do not support OpenAI, Midjourney, Claude, ChatGPT or any other AI technology to "learn" or "train" off of others' works without their permission.
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by anal_reactor on Saturday June 01, 2024 @02:07PM (#40547839)
These two are not mutually exclusive
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by buildsjets on Saturday June 01, 2024 @01:37PM (#40547627)
For indie artists, the vinyl release frequently comes with a download code for a digital version. Some bands even include lossless versions.
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by cortesoft on Saturday June 01, 2024 @02:14PM (#40547868)
Spotify might not care as much about the music and the artists as pirates, but they sure pay the artists more.
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by AlexandrB on Saturday June 01, 2024 @02:25PM (#40547950)
Barely. Some artists outright tell you to pirate their music since most of their money comes from touring/merch.
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by ugjka on Saturday June 01, 2024 @03:10PM (#40548291)
I discover stuff on Spotify more than i would ever from pirating and only then i can go watch their live stuff and buy their merch. If I want a Flac i go to Bandcamp though
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by TaylorAlexander on Saturday June 01, 2024 @03:53PM (#40548576)
Makes me wonder if artists would see the same benefit then if piracy were legal and someone made a nice Spotify-like frontend for it. I think about how places like library genesis have to be so weirdly arranged because of how illegal they are.
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by ShroudedNight on Sunday June 02, 2024 @12:36AM (#40551390)
Wasn't that essentially what Grooveshark was?
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by TaylorAlexander on Monday June 03, 2024 @06:22AM (#40561173)
Ooh possibly! The name is familiar but I’ve forgotten entirely what it was like.
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by bigfatfrock on Saturday June 01, 2024 @04:00PM (#40548620)
Spotify is a prime example of an amazing service (yet still no FLAC equivalent) offering with a highly developed customer base ruined by the love of money.
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by lotsofpulp on Saturday June 01, 2024 @04:40PM (#40548906)
Spotify loves money so much it has yet to show a profit in almost 20 years.
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by pavlov on Saturday June 01, 2024 @05:01PM (#40549040)
As long as you can invest in growth, why not spend on that? The alternative is to report a profit and have it taxed.

Amazon did the same for a long time. It’s a fine strategy if your investors don’t need the immediate returns.

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by lotsofpulp on Saturday June 01, 2024 @05:48PM (#40549345)
If the market believed there was growth potential, their annual returns would not be trailing SP500 by 3%+ per year.

Amazon’s market cap grew by much more than the SP500, because the market (correctly) anticipated Amazon being able to earn profits.

Spotify’s ability to earn decent profits is not a given, and in my opinion, their whole business is currently being a negotiating chip between the 3 businesses that own music copyrights (Warner/Universal/Sony) and Apple/Amazon/Alphabet.

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by rm_-rf_slash on Saturday June 01, 2024 @06:44PM (#40549752)
Amazon invested in selling physical things and ran a loss forever until AWS became the real money maker.
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by lotsofpulp on Sunday June 02, 2024 @07:55AM (#40553372)
Amazon was breaking even forever, it rarely lost money. Can’t easily find a chart of it going back to 2000 though.
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by musicale on Saturday June 01, 2024 @04:59PM (#40549024)
Spotify posted €168M in profit for Q1 2024.

But executives loving money is a separate issue from whether the company is profitable or not.

Daniel Ek takes no salary but has filed to sell €165M in stock so far in 2024.

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by lotsofpulp on Saturday June 01, 2024 @06:48PM (#40549777)
Executive compensation is part of a business’s expense, so it is not a separate issue from profit, since profit = revenue minus expense.

Also, Ek could have sold his equity years ago and made more money with less risk by sticking it in SP500. If he really loved money, wouldn’t he have gotten rid of stock in a business losing money and stuck it into something less risky?

My point is to say that Spotify is obviously in a difficult business, given the vendors it has to negotiate with, the competitors it has to compete with, and the customers it has to sell to. It is not some conspiracy or excess short term greed by executives that is hampering its success or ability to pay artists.

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by kristiandupont on Sunday June 02, 2024 @02:51AM (#40551956)
>Executive compensation is part of a business’s expense [...]

Right. So when you said this..

>Spotify loves money so much it has yet to show a profit in almost 20 years.

..was your point that Spotify, the company, doesn't love money, even if the executives might?

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by lotsofpulp on Sunday June 02, 2024 @08:03AM (#40553423)
Spotify “loves” money implies that Spotify is penny pinching because it is in such a powerful position that it can afford to alienate customers, whereas my point is Spotify is probably making a calculation to reduce expenses because it is not even known if it is a viable business yet.

Spotify’s executive compensation is what it is, it is still a large organization managing 9k employees with 600M customers, so they obviously want a carrot to work. Shareholders and board members can vote on compensation they think is undeserved.

In fact, Ek hasn’t even received compensation since 2017, so he’s just been offloading his existing equity from being a founder from way back when. And since Spotify stock has lost money relative to the market for 7 years, Ek has been working for free. He literally could have more money if he had quit working years ago.

https://fortune.com/europe/2024/04/29/daniel-ek-salary-spoti...

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by musicale on Sunday June 02, 2024 @06:56PM (#40557775)
Another point to consider is that record labels also love money and may be ruining Spotify as per PP's comment.
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by ulfw on Saturday June 01, 2024 @07:35PM (#40550050)
And yet it's tech bro founder is a multibillionaire
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by lotsofpulp on Sunday June 02, 2024 @08:09AM (#40553466)
Why is that relevant? The organization he has lots of equity in due to his negotiations as a founder has 600M customers and 9k employees. The public markets still believe it might be worth a few billion dollars for an organization that has 600M customers with recurring revenue.

The “tech bro” founder could have had billions of more dollars if he had dumped all his Spotify shares years ago.

It does not mean the organization is making a ton of money, or has any pricing power. An alternative is Visa or Verisign of Intuit or Microsoft or Qualcomm or Apple, those businesses have fat profit margins. Those businesses get to set their prices at the highest profit margins. Spotify barely limps along hoping one day it can eke out more than a low single digit profit margin consistently.

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by FireBeyond on Saturday June 01, 2024 @06:03PM (#40549439)
For sure, I mean to me, what.cd was the ultimate intersection of musicphiles (as opposed to audiophiles, though there's an overlap) and torrenters.
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by eisa01 on Saturday June 01, 2024 @11:03AM (#40546303)
In addition, quite a lot of the backlog has never been released on iTunes

I wanted to complete a set of DJ mixes, and had to purchase them on Discogs to as there were no digital copies, one cost me EUR50 for one CD...

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by bratwurst3000 on Saturday June 01, 2024 @11:08AM (#40546356)
Hahahaha I had the same problem. Had to buy a vinyl for 80€ and digitilize it. Did upload it then. Now the artist has a bandcamp with the collection for free so sharing is caring
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by exe34 on Saturday June 01, 2024 @11:30AM (#40546554)
already, Disney has been censoring past episodes not even based on today's sensibilities but it seems purely based on keywords.

there's an episode of the suite life of zach and cody where zach pretends to have dyslexia in order to get extra time in his exams, and near the end of the episode he gets busted and they have a thoughtful conversation about how it's unfair and hurts the people who need the extra time, and he should be less lazy and do the work, etc, and somehow that's too offensive now.

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by cyanwave on Saturday June 01, 2024 @01:03PM (#40547364)
My hope is human nature will prevail. SOME are that sensitive but I think there’s a growing amount of people maybe even a majority that don’t want censorship and nannie’s in media / comedy etc.
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by amanaplanacanal on Sunday June 02, 2024 @07:51AM (#40553345)
What’s offensive changes from generation to generation. Blackface is a problem because racism is a problem. I can envision a future where racism against blacks is so low that blackface in itself is no longer triggering.

As an example: I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s with the feminist second wave. Women of my generation hated being called girl, for good reason! In that time, men were men, and women were considered children.

Their granddaughters don’t seem to mind the term girl at all. They didn’t suffer the same trauma their grandmothers did. Society has progressed, at least a bit.

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by seec on Sunday June 02, 2024 @08:39AM (#40553620)
That's a funny and naive take. Racism will never disappear, because it comes from observations of reality. There is a lot of propaganda/social systems and whatnot that tries VERY hard to change that but it will never work in the long term. Nature will prevail. Turns out different races of humans are good at different things, just like you know, different races of dogs or whatever other animal you want to study. The fact that it is politically incorrect to say anything doesn't make reality disappear/change. There is a reason black peoples dominate in all sports but conveniently it doesn't bother anyone...

As for feminist and girls, you clearly drank the Kool-Aid as well. Women were called girls, because even after long maturing process, they still behave like children, or more specifically girls. Now there have been a very long propaganda platform to socially impose the "correct" behavior into men. But the reality hasn't changed, there are significant biological difference in the female human that makes it behave very differently and that becomes more and more noticeable the older they get.

Pretending there has been progress when all you did was censor the truth and impose an ideological vision on society. It's worse than religion, because at least those were created from behavioral observation.

But I guess you are a believer, if that floats your boat, have at it.

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by lyu07282 on Sunday June 02, 2024 @04:16PM (#40556920)
People don't like to be discriminated against based on their skin color or gender so there is always going to be resistance against bigots like you, who justify and rationalize the discrimination. There has been some progress as evident by the fact that your racist beliefs are already a relatively fringe minority. Even people like you changed, you no longer advocate for slavery or colonialism and probably don't support lynchings, murdering gay people or banning women's right to vote, to understand social change in your case you just have to shift your timeframe by a hundred years or so. You will be dragged along into the future or die, that's how social progress happens, older bigots die off and are replaced by slightly less racist bigots. Overall, slowly progress will be made.
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by account42 on Monday June 03, 2024 @06:11AM (#40561113)
> People don't like to be discriminated against based on their skin color or gender

Sure, but they do like to discriminate against others based on their skin color or gender. Race and gender-gated policies are everywhere today.

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by lyu07282 on Monday June 03, 2024 @08:11AM (#40561901)
people in the majority/oppressor groups have always defended themselves like this, slavers saw themselves as the victims with black people stealing their livelihood, increases in womens rights or levels of education is seen as taking something away from men/boys... equal opportunity and affirmative action has always been seen as discriminatory instead of the necessary corrective uplifting of historically oppressed groups. White people are forced to share a bathroom with black people, cis people are forced to share a bathroom with trans people, etc. Always conservatives predicted the end of society as we know it, it was never true, nothing bad ever came of society becoming more progressive and less oppressive against minority groups.

The patterns are obvious and the future is clear, it's obvious who is going to be on the wrong side of history. There is no place for social regressive conservatism in a free and open society, that doesn't mean you are being oppressed not matter how convenient of an idea that victim complex is, society at large will progress, with or without you and there is nothing you can do about it.

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by account42 on Monday June 03, 2024 @11:15AM (#40563473)
As expected, the typical currently popular racist and sexist rhetoric dressed up in pretty words.
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by seec on Tuesday June 04, 2024 @05:13AM (#40572310)
Considering the demographics I find it hilarious that you believe that current perceived discrimination is the result of a majority. Because if there is one thing that's for sure, it's that the white person is a race in extinction considering the fertility levels that do not beat the replacement rate in pretty much every single western country.

And you clearly don't understand much about what you are talking about. The fact is that society as we know it is clearly going away, precisely because the fertility level is so abysmal that at this rate in two generations the genetic heritage that built all this world of freedom will be extinguished.

There is actually a trend of "strong women" going out of their way to bring around men from foreign countries to mate and create a family, precisely because of all the problems the social propaganda has created. Another society will perdure that's for sure, but it definitely won't be the same and the more time passe the more it looks like the replacement won't be as nice and open to liberties as what it replaced.

I don't even care, this is what happens when a culture gets too complacent, it gets overthrown and replaced by a stronger competitor. Now the question is: will it be better? So far, I fear the signs are not in favor of this conclusion, but we will see...

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by lyu07282 on Tuesday June 04, 2024 @12:57PM (#40576611)
All these feelings and emotions of great anxiety and fear of getting replaced by the "inferior" other, its so primitive. Just like these ideas of the "strong" dominating over "us" because we became "weak". It's such a primitive way of looking at the world.

How do you think people felt that opposed social progress in the past? They felt exactly like you are feeling, but you don't agree with them now do you? Everything you say is derived from those base emotions, but it's all just in your head. You don't have to fear people who are different from you, they are all just people, we are all the same, we are all the same species, race, gender, sexuality, religion, language; it's all unimportant, we all just want to live happy lives in peace. Anyway

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by seec on Tuesday June 04, 2024 @05:00AM (#40572239)
It's not discrimination when it's based on objective reality. But I guess you are one of those who will call discrimination when someone doesn't make the cut because they weren't good enough, whether it is in sport performance or intellectual capacity or anything else for that matter.

We are still hearing about discrimination of women in STEM subjects when not only they have the same exact opportunities but we reworked a lot of the education system to accommodate them in preference.

We can never win with your type because there is no logic, it's all about the feelings and emotions that uncomfortable truths create.

And nice trying on the racist insult, I fundamentally don't think there is a superior race or whatever, just that there are objectively different genetic heritages that are better at some things (and vice versa). It's the same thing for women, men are not able to make other humans, that's an objective truth. Either you take advantage of that and assign different things to do depending on actual relative strength of peoples or you put your head in the sand, makes everyone go through meaningless competition that bring about the same results, just less efficiently and with way more casualties than necessary. People are complementary, you can't have the smart ones doing masonry while the strong ones doing architecture, that's just stupidly inefficient and a sure way of creating problems in the long run...

And to be clear, I strongly believe in the equality of opportunities as well as equality in laws but that doesn't mean you have to engineer a whole system against "discriminations"; it won't work no matter how much you believe.

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by cruffle_duffle on Saturday June 01, 2024 @04:42PM (#40548920)
Disney is only slightly better about nuking old “offensive” content than other providers. Many times they just gave an unskippable “this is culturally offensive to some” text and call it good. For example the old lady and the tramp has that “we are Siamese” song, which I guess is offensive… at least they still let you watch it.

Hulu on the other hand just pulls shit. For example they pulled my favorite it’s always sunny episode where they do that diehard movie. I guess the fact they do black face makes it racist (which they call out as such in the show itself!) and since we are all apparently too stupid to think for ourselves about the content we watch they better block it. After all they know better than me about what is offensive.

… shit like that… that is what is gonna lead me back to piracy.

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by exe34 on Saturday June 01, 2024 @05:08PM (#40549078)
in the case I mentioned, the episode "smarter and smarterer" just went down the memory hole, it's like it was never there.
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by glandium on Saturday June 01, 2024 @09:18PM (#40550600)
I guess that means Hulu doesn't have Tropic Thunder?
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by jamiek88 on Sunday June 02, 2024 @01:47PM (#40555938)
The creators of always sunny pulled that themselves just fyi. They decided as artists that they weren’t cool with it and I think that is their right as creators, personally.
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by exe34 on Wednesday June 05, 2024 @08:12AM (#40583923)
I believe the opposite on this actually. You may be the creator of something, but once you've shown it to me, it becomes the property of the human race. Something our species has done and enjoyed (or hated). You have no right to erase it from existence. You could make a big speech about how bad it was, put a warning at the start, etc, but removing it entirely from existence is just vandalism. Imagine if the Pharaohs decided to blow up the pyramids after they built them!
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by radley on Saturday June 01, 2024 @12:32PM (#40547068)
> Same with Netflix and it's bit starved encodes.

Bitrates are tied to the subscription tier. If you do the 4K plan, it's visibly noticeable that 1080p video bitrates are higher. They don't have much 4K content, but the 1080p difference is worth it for my 4K projector.

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by sargun on Saturday June 01, 2024 @01:52PM (#40547730)
Subscription tier and device. If your device isn’t capable of playback, there’s no way to get the content.
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by Forbo on Saturday June 01, 2024 @04:12PM (#40548716)
My device is perfectly capable of playing 4K media, but Netflix has decided that Linux doesn't deserve it.
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by jorvi on Saturday June 01, 2024 @12:57PM (#40547321)
> In 100 years iTunes may be dead, but there will be some person with every album available in high quality lossless FLAC. Same with Netflix and it's bit starved encodes.

Yeah, nah. WhatCD’s full catalogue has never been recovered.

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by eisa01 on Saturday June 01, 2024 @01:41PM (#40547655)
But the successors still have stuff iTunes don't have, and there's even new uploads of old releases that What didn't have ;)
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by WarOnPrivacy on Saturday June 01, 2024 @01:31PM (#40547585)
>> some person with every album available in high quality lossless FLAC

> nah. WhatCD’s full catalogue has never been recovered.

The loss of WhatCD's torrent database didn't wipe out anyone's library.

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by JetSpiegel on Saturday June 01, 2024 @08:12PM (#40550263)
The value of a library is that it's all in one place.

Burning the Library of Alexandria also didn't burn the other copies, and yet many books were lost.

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by WarOnPrivacy on Monday June 03, 2024 @09:27AM (#40562426)
That's a reasonable observation.
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by thowawatp302 on Sunday June 02, 2024 @02:12AM (#40551804)
By virtue of being a private torrent tracker, WhatCD never had that full catalog, itself. The members did and what you consider to be an inability to recover is only because the torrents were never remade. The same thing would happen if the tracker was up and there were no seeds.
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by joshuaturner on Saturday June 01, 2024 @01:30PM (#40547567)
This is especially true with the current wave of upscaled 4k releases that are, frankly - awful. Eventually, these will be the only versions we have access to on streaming platforms, but someone will have the original Blu-ray remux or DVD rip on their Plex server.
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by satvikpendem on Saturday June 01, 2024 @01:56PM (#40547763)
Yep, that is why I pirate as well, movies and shows are simply lower quality when streaming than via direct downloads. Plus, I can play them with my own media player and use software like SmoothVideoProject to interpolate the frame rate and use upscalers for sub-4k content.
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by sharkweek on Saturday June 01, 2024 @02:07PM (#40547838)
>every album available in high quality lossless FLAC.

In college I ate up an entire hard drive downloading the bootleg discography of Pearl Jam live shows in the hugest quality I could find.

Not sure why I needed 50+ live versions of the song Daughter or Yellow Ledbetter but… I had ‘em

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by acchow on Saturday June 01, 2024 @02:57PM (#40548206)
Still frustrated that 1080p bluray looks and sounds significantly better than 4k Netflix. Will a lot of quality stuff be lost forever when these companies disappear?
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Saturday June 01, 2024 @03:16PM (#40548337)
Yes but I also don't think enjoyment is gated behind some arbitrary maximum quality.
Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by rightbyte on Saturday June 01, 2024 @03:40PM (#40548493)
Being constantly reminded you are a tool watching some dark filter compressed pseudo-4k video at the mercy of some conglomerate takes away some of the fun in consuming culture.

I feel way freer when watching downloaded films. Like the old VHS days. It is mine.

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by acchow on Monday June 03, 2024 @07:45PM (#40569086)
Not as a goal within itself, but when the audio quality is so bad that you cannot understand the dialog without closed captions turned on.... That is a problem...

I find this often the case with streaming. I used to think that this is just how they make movies now, but when trying out the same movie in Bluray, every word comes out crystal clear.

Re:Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago by shmuppet on Sunday June 02, 2024 @11:32AM (#40554957)
High quality piracy, especially for music, can convey a lot of social status. Many of the “pirate clubs” online are gated behind presenting your own vault of gems: lots of lossless FLAC files and maybe some rare foreign cd rips.