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Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by throwaway211 on Thursday May 30, 2024 @10:14PM (#40530809)
Can you read them? Speech to text perhaps. That can also be done locally.

If a note's a minute, 1000 notes are around 16 hours of reading. Scale time needed depending on if it takes less or more than a minute to read. Add a note reference to the start of each recording, like a zettelkasten, so the scanned file, recording and text cross-reference.

If assessing other solutions, that's at least an upper bound on the cost of any other solution.

Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by smarm52 on Friday May 31, 2024 @12:20AM (#40531471)
Some good transcription solutions:

https://zapier.com/blog/best-text-dictation-software/#window...

https://otter.ai/

(Haven't actually tried Otter, but it gets a LOT of good reviews.)

Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by mvkel on Friday May 31, 2024 @12:42AM (#40531573)
This is the best answer.

Any techie will desperately try to come up with a tech solution to this problem.

A few months of development later, you might have something that yields trustworthy output.

But 16 hours? No tech solution will be done faster than that.

Don't build a factory for a one-off.

Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by bckr on Friday May 31, 2024 @01:43PM (#40538109)
> But 16 hours? No tech solution will be done faster than that.

True

> Don't build a factory for a one-off.

One thing on my wishlist is that I end up with a way to instantly transcribe my notes.

Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by sky2224 on Saturday June 01, 2024 @05:04PM (#40549052)
> One thing on my wishlist is that I end up with a way to instantly transcribe my notes.

Many of the implementations are clunky in my opinion, but this exists as a feature in many note taking tablet apps.

Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by nolamark on Saturday June 01, 2024 @07:45PM (#40550110)
bookmark the nuwa pen project, and check back in 6 month or so when/if experience reports are in. ( https://nuwapen.com/en-us )

If you are willing to use special paper, there is existing Neo Smartpen ( https://shop.neosmartpen.com/ )

Both will force use to us D1 ballpoint pen cartridges, so no suggestions in you must write with favorite fountain pen, or are a Hi-Tec-C only pen lifestyle.

Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by PartiallyTyped on Saturday June 01, 2024 @12:01PM (#40546832)
I mean, I'd totally try Tesseract[1], a few samples, and a python script. Shouldn't take more than 5 minutes to validate this.

Adobe also has the whole scan thing, and apple can — in some cases — correctly transcribe characters from images.

https://github.com/tesseract-ocr/tesseract

Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by motoxpro on Sunday June 02, 2024 @12:15AM (#40551290)
I'd say any of the language models are far better than Tesseract. I did some work in this space and it was an absolute nightmare, event working with pdfs.
Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by mrazomor on Sunday June 02, 2024 @02:34AM (#40551897)
Tesseract out of the box is terrible for anything non standard. I tried using it for the comic books. Unusable. The training for your font is doable, but it's very time intensive (while the tools are pretty good!).
Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by radiantspace on Sunday June 02, 2024 @04:23AM (#40552443)
Handwritten notes, cmon! Don't waste time on tesseract for that.
Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by 123yawaworht456 on Sunday June 02, 2024 @10:07AM (#40554240)
from my experience with tesseract ~1 year ago, it was frequently fucking up even with crispy PNG screenshots

I really doubt it can handle handwriting

Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by driscoll42 on Sunday June 02, 2024 @11:08AM (#40554788)
For OCR of handwriting, I did some comparative analysis a year back, and I found that Tesseract was... not good. However TrOCR was okay, certainly the best of the FOSS solutions. But Textract from Amazon was the best one by far far for handwriting, though your mileage will vary
Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by lozenge on Saturday June 01, 2024 @06:23PM (#40549591)
Err, 16 hours just to read. Then you still need to deal with the inaccuracies of speech to text.
Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by weaksauce on Saturday June 01, 2024 @11:22PM (#40551083)
so what? it's 10 years of notes. even if you double or triple or quadruple the time editing it for inaccuracies it's still better than an ocr almost certainly.
Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by bongodongobob on Sunday June 02, 2024 @04:36AM (#40552502)
Have 4 people do it and you're done by lunch.
Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by Someone on Monday June 03, 2024 @09:14AM (#40562317)
If their handwriting is like mine, i think it will take more time that way. The other people will be interrupting them every second to ask “what’s that word?”.

Eventually, they’ll learn and speed will go up, but with this amount of work, work will be finished before they make up for the learning curve.

Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by lallysingh on Sunday June 02, 2024 @10:20AM (#40554387)
Do it over 2 weekends. Or an hour a night instead of TV.
Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by DonsDiscountGas on Sunday June 02, 2024 @10:47AM (#40554630)
Since OP is doing this deliberately for speech2text they will presumably enunciate very clearly and have a good mic. S2T has very good performance under ideal conditions like that
Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by IanCal on Sunday June 02, 2024 @11:18AM (#40554855)
Modern speech to text is, for me, extremely accurate. You also have the original audio and can rerun things as and when technology improves.
Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by harlanji on Sunday June 02, 2024 @11:31AM (#40554949)
Yea, I use a cheapie voice recorder that only saves .wav files for ~10 memos per day, and Whisper transcripts are good. "Tiny" model, 4GB ram laptop. "Base" model runs too, but slower, and produces different inaccuracies.

But overall, if I were suggest an ideal process: 1) transcribe notes w/ Whisper, 2) play back the media in VLC with the transcripts and correct the errors. T = 16 hours of proofing/correction + ~8 hours of headless transcription of *.wav before hand.

Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by neverokay on Sunday June 02, 2024 @01:00PM (#40555572)
I’d add that I had better luck using smaller chunks (about 20 seconds) per wav file for accuracy. Whisper seems to go berserk if you pump in lengthy audio (30+ seconds).

I’d be tempted to at least try breaking down the notes into one line long images (about a sentence) each and give it ago with Gemini. I haven’t tested their ocr, but even if it has errors, I bet you could just ask Gemini again to best fix the sentence.

Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by IanCal on Thursday June 06, 2024 @07:37AM (#40596225)
Whisper works on 30s chunks iirc. You need to use something that's automatically splitting up your input if it's longer.
Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by spaceship__sun on Saturday June 01, 2024 @07:15PM (#40549929)
Have you tried gpt4o?
Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by tkgally on Saturday June 01, 2024 @08:01PM (#40550197)
Or Gemini 1.5 Pro. The latest multimodal models, while still far from perfect, do seem to be getting better at image recognition and OCR.
Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by Void_ on Sunday June 02, 2024 @01:42AM (#40551665)
Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by DeathArrow on Sunday June 02, 2024 @08:09AM (#40553467)
>Don't build a factory for a one-off.

Maybe other people can use the software, so it's not a one-off?

Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by oslem on Sunday June 02, 2024 @02:08PM (#40556104)
I’d imagine 16 hours is a low estimate if OP wants to retain formatting.
Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by dSebastien on Friday May 31, 2024 @04:39AM (#40532707)
You made my day. It's obviously an awesome approach!

Documented here: https://notes.dsebastien.net/30+Areas/33+Permanent+notes/33....

Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by BetterWhisper on Friday May 31, 2024 @06:44AM (#40533392)
Reading the notes aloud is a really good solution without having to spend a ton of time on trying to OCR handwriting.

I can recommend https://www.videototextai.com/ for transcribing huge amounts of audio. (Disclaimer, I am the founder of VideoToTextAI)

Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by bckr on Friday May 31, 2024 @01:42PM (#40538095)
Great recommendation, thank you. I have considered this and it’s definitely the simplest way to achieve what I want.
Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by jacknobody on Friday May 31, 2024 @10:33PM (#40542411)
If you also gave all that text, with its audio, to the putative AI, it might have enough training material to learn to read your handwriting.
Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by bckr on Friday May 31, 2024 @10:37PM (#40542431)
Agreed!
Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by refulgentis on Saturday June 01, 2024 @05:05PM (#40549055)
I've been working on an AI app for 18 months and almost replied to tell you no, AI cant do that.

And, doh, took a minute, and realized I'm a dunce.* And now there's at least 3 I can think of off the top of my head, not to mention local.

Training a handwriting recognition AI is universally accessible. What a time to be alive.

* If you're dense like me: they're not saying "any AI" as "any handwriting recognition machine learning model you build from that dataset". They're saying as AI as any multimodal LLM, it'll do in context learning on what you upload.

Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by canadaduane on Friday May 31, 2024 @10:47PM (#40542474)
Using MacWhisper (or other similar whisper.cpp app or utility), you could do it all on-device for a free or one-time fee, too.

note: I have no relation to MacWhisper, just a happy customer.

Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by ujkiolp on Saturday June 01, 2024 @10:27PM (#40550858)
Bad solution simply because of information loss!

* after STT, there is objectively less info in the storage format

* OP cannot take advantage of rapidly advancing OCR tech on the storage

* inevitably OP might end up saving the originals “just in case”- rendering this entire process useless

Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by rahimnathwani on Sunday June 02, 2024 @12:19AM (#40551308)
Using STT today doesn't stop OP from also storing high resolution scans for the future.
Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by bambax on Sunday June 02, 2024 @04:34AM (#40552493)
Great solution. And, if the notes don't contain confidential information, you could totally hire someone on Fiverr to read them for you. Or on Mechanical Turk, have the same notes be read more than once by different people, so you can compare and more easily find errors in transcription later.
Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by giantg2 on Sunday June 02, 2024 @08:02AM (#40553416)
I have a similar issue but reading them won't work because the person who wrote them passed away. It there another solution that could transcribe this sort of thing (maybe the original use case would have been for historical texts)?
Re:Ask HN: How to transcribe 1000s of handwritten notes by bcx on Sunday June 02, 2024 @10:33AM (#40554495)
Additionally, you could hire other people to read them, dividing the task into whatever manageable chunks or even having multiple people read the same parts for agreement.

In the days before good software transcription I saved a ton of time I grad school by splitting up interviews and using mechanical Turk or up work ( can’t remember which one, to transcribe 1 minute snippets, and then took another pass)