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Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by jsheard on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @01:46PM (#40431495)
Your loss, I will keep expanding my brain with the wisdom of Googles powerful AI

https://imgur.com/a/g4qOU9a

Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by shombaboor on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @01:52PM (#40431545)
literally, how does anyone find this acceptable? It makes me feel dumb that I find this outrageous, like the emperor's new clothes: y'all can see this too right?
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by user90131313 on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:16PM (#40431861)
It will correct itself soon. Like it will be better at in 5 years because it will. Trust them and learn wrong things.
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by tmpz22 on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:13PM (#40431808)
> how does anyone find this acceptable?

Many in the tech community have high expectations for Google engineering quality and product development. The expectations are now too high, much like the executives who pushed this feature.

Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by berkes on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:21PM (#40431918)
> Many in the tech community have high expectations for Google engineering quality and product development

Wait? Whom has these expectations? I presumed most in the tech industry scoff at anything Google launches, point at Google Graveyard or at all the failures they've been through.

Seriously: aside from search, ads and android, what product has Google developed ever that is of high quality and meeting the high quality? Maybe maps at some point? Gmail, maybe? Google docs? For each and every google product, I can name two competitors that meet much higher expectations of engineering.

Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by z0r on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @03:15PM (#40432582)
Photos is my favorite Google product (that isn't gmail and search circa 2004 - 2010ish)
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by callalex on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @03:32PM (#40432780)
Hopefully it won’t get Picasa’d
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by nolist_policy on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:53PM (#40432338)
Chrome, Chromebooks and Android.

Non-Products: Kubernetes and MGLRU.

Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by mirsadm on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @03:12PM (#40432555)
Android is anything but high quality. There are so many baffling and poorly thought out ideas it's a dumpster fire.
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by thefz on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @02:57AM (#40438076)
Such as?
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by mirsadm on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @06:21AM (#40439301)
MediaCodec/Camera2 API
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by hehdhdjehehegwv on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:42PM (#40432195)
Really the only 100% in-house products are Search and Gmail. The rest was bolted on piecemeal into the Borg: maps, android, double click, docs, YouTube, etc. - all acquired.

That’s not a bad thing, Google is really a story about a shrewd - even brilliant - acquisition and integration strategy.

However, they have systemically failed to grow new things in-house - be it space balloon internet, being an ISP, games network, etc etc.

They are likely better off just buying Anthropic at this point.

Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by add-sub-mul-div on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @01:59PM (#40431641)
The retrospectives of this decade are going to be gloriously stupid.
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by neilv on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:08PM (#40431748)
It's got what plants crave: electrolytes.
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by asrael_io on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:12PM (#40431796)
Yeah, it's a full on clown world at this point.
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by EGreg on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:06PM (#40431730)
It's not real, I think. It's a doctored image. See for yourself:

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+are+the+four+horsement+...

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+longest+marriage...

aaaaaaand this is exactly what I mean about people falling for misinformation. You fell for a human doctoring an image. Now imagine what much more subtle lies can do, at scale, with bot swarms creating articles and posts all over the internet to support their bullshit.

People already barely fact check anything they read online, and actually they barely read, they skim LOL!

Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by Aloisius on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:30PM (#40432048)
Em. At least one of them is real since I just got it.

https://imgur.com/a/pY1VQC3

Query: how much would $3500 in 2015 be worth in 2024?

Edit: And got a second one: https://imgur.com/a/E9HJcpn

Query: what rhymes with pavement?

Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by not2b on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:42PM (#40432190)
I got it too; it's real. Using the "Web" view gives the correct result on top, the AI overview looks like it picked 1789 as the starting point.
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by fallingsquirrel on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:14PM (#40431820)
Maybe it's fake, or maybe it's been fixed since then. Who knows? This is another problem with these closed source services giving "personalized" results that are totally different from one person to the next and one day to the next. How would you propose we authenticate the screenshot?
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by EGreg on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:15PM (#40431837)
Who knows!

We need an analogue of this IMHO: https://www.web3isgoinggreat.com/

Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by roywiggins on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:14PM (#40431828)
I haven't seen any howlers myself in Google yet, but Meta suggested to me that electric city buses can be charged "at home."
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by hehdhdjehehegwv on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:45PM (#40432231)
I mean, that’s not wrong depending on the home…
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by klyrs on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @08:06PM (#40435835)
But... mah third amendment!
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by recursive on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:10PM (#40431775)
It may be a doctored image. But we don't know. I don't think these things are deterministic. At least not just with search query. It could be real, and you might get a real response that makes sense.
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by hehdhdjehehegwv on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:44PM (#40432226)
it’s just ten RNGs and a dictionary in a trench coat.
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by 12_throw_away on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:12PM (#40431792)
Google may return different results at different times
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by EGreg on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:14PM (#40431827)
Let me know if you ever get a result that's as wildly incorrect as those
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by AirMax98 on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:56PM (#40432381)
I recently received a result that gave me the wrong date for a college class registration, which was pretty fucked up. It was off by three days. Luckily, I double checked my schools official website.
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by runiq on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:18PM (#40431882)
I did, but you wouldn't believe me anyways.
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by EGreg on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:37PM (#40432135)
1. https://nationalpost.com/entertainment/celebrity/no-one-will...

2. When another Anonymous video drops, how do we know it’s the real Anonymous? Do they even know?

Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by fallingsquirrel on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:20PM (#40431906)
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by pulvinar on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:46PM (#40432243)
Note 2017 though.
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by reaperducer on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:52PM (#40432331)
That article is from 2017, so has nothing to do with AI.
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by hombre_fatal on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:24PM (#40431963)
People will gleefully take on board memes that confirm what they want to be true even if it's an image of text.
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by thesuitonym on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:40PM (#40432170)
Yes, we all know that Google searches appear exactly the same for all users.
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by rsynnott on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @08:07AM (#40439963)
My strong suspicion is that, for, say, the CEO of Google, this is less about "this will improve the product", or even "LLMs are the future, so we should use them in the present even though they don't work", and more "this is what the markets, which are collectively kinda dumb, have decided they will reward this year, so we will appease them until such time as they move onto a new toy."

See Our Lord and Saviour the Blockchain; for a year or so practically every company was announcing some sort of blockchain thing. Did any of these come to anything? Of course not, but that was, when it comes to it, hardly the point.

LLMs are a particularly dramatic example, but I suspect the dynamic is, in reality, more or less the same as metaverses, blockchains, the _previous_ AI bubble (remember the year or so when everyone was announcing chatbots, until Microsoft Tay kinda scared everyone off it abruptly?), and so on.

Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by Etheryte on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:09PM (#40431761)
The desperation to stay relevant and shout "AI! AI!" is so loud at Google that it drowns out all else, including common sense.
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by aiauthoritydev on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:46PM (#40432245)
I think when it comes to success Google's products find success with either (or both) of the two factors.

1. Excellent integration with rest of the google ecosystem which ends up me and my friends using it and it is good enough so we continue using it. (E.g. Chrome, Photos, Drive, etc.)

2. Products are genuinely better and leagues ahead of nearest competition. (Gmail, Docs, Youtube).

I suspect Gemini is relying more on 1 rather than 2 at this point as it is not clear if it is indeed the best. But if it can play well with other Google products I am happy.

For example, I have Google One 2TB subscription to pay for all the storage and extra features, result of which I get Gemini Advanced for free and it also works in Docs. I rarely have the need to open ChatGPT even if ChatGPT is better than Gemini.

Search is where I am somewhat skeptical but this experiment is totally worth it in my opinion in Google's perspective and not doing it is stupid. Human beings adapt to the error rate of the Gen AI over time. So unless someone else delivers say 5x better accuracy than Gemini, I think it wont matter.

Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by hehdhdjehehegwv on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:38PM (#40432144)
Maybe if Sundar et all have to drink buckets of urine per Google’s AI results they’ll be a bit more thoughtful.
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by skilled on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @01:58PM (#40431627)
When searching for "Scarlett Johansson",

https://i.imgur.com/fgtjBTj.jpeg

Never seen these kinds of weird word combinations.

Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by onemoresoop on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:39PM (#40432154)
Just searched Scarlett Johansson on google and am getting the same oddities:

'What when ChatGPT like scarlett?'

Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by Retr0id on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:03PM (#40431693)
Looks like what I'd expect a small child's search history to look like
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by streamfan on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:14PM (#40431823)
OpenAI has been in the news lately because one of the new 4o voices sounds like Scarlett Johansson in the movie Her.

Allegedly Scarlett Johansson was approached multiple times about being the voice, but turned it down, so they just made a voice that sounds like her.

There were some tweets that had very conspicuous timings that accelerated the drama.

It seems that google is mixing in the largest related search terms.

Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by skilled on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:22PM (#40431940)
I am well aware of the situation, hence me searching her name.

But that doesn’t explain the nonsense word salad. I would actually be very skeptical to assume that these were taken verbatim from searchers.

You would have needed A LOT of people to have searched that exact phrase for it to be added to PAA.

Google does a good job with People Also Ask, and I have never seen this before. It might be nothing, but I am leaning towards one of their NLP systems leaking.

Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by hehdhdjehehegwv on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:47PM (#40432254)
Yeah that sentence would literally be caught by a rudimentary grammar checker. This is what happen when you apply YOLO-driven design decisions on the basics of your core product.
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by sumofproducts on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @12:19PM (#40442756)
Google does a good job with People Also Ask?

It's a great service for providing the wrong answers to things I didn't search for, but I admit I haven't yet figured out why I am supposed to desire this.

Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by Topfi on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @01:54PM (#40431577)
It is frankly astonishing how poor Gemini continues to be in tasks even suggested answers, Assistant and in part, Google Now covered in the past.

Mistral, OpenAI, Anthropic and Meta all have their unique advantages and I have yet to find one LLM being superior in every task I use them for, but purely for such simple questions that should be in the training data, few are consistently as poor as Google efforts have been, first with Bard and now Gemini.

Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by TwentyPosts on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:04PM (#40431715)
I don't know, these screenshots look terrible, but my own experience using Gemini has been nothing short of pleasant and helpful.
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by onemoresoop on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:41PM (#40432181)
It's the rush to use these services everywhere and mindlessly that is a big problem imho.
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by datavirtue on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:24PM (#40431973)
It doesn't matter. Most people are using Copilot because it's vetted, "protects your data", and is paid for with office 365 (or whatever it is called now).

Google should have run at the enterprise when it had the chance fifteen years ago.

Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by Rebelgecko on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:20PM (#40431902)
Can you share the prompts you used to generate these results? I'm having a hard time replicating just by guessing what they were (full disclosure I work for Google but not on this)
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by dmbche on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:23PM (#40431952)
10/10 the horsemen
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by Zambyte on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:46PM (#40432251)
I regularly use the quick results feature of Kagi which seems to be similar in scope to this, but this is so hilariously bad :D
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by raverbashing on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @01:55PM (#40431591)
Galaxy brain information right there. Maybe Google is finally showing the right answers all along, we're just not advanced enough to accept it
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by ugh123 on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @01:53PM (#40431561)
Maybe it assumed you put it all on meme stock options
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by raytopia on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:01PM (#40431669)
The future of search is truly here.

These feel like something a satirical tech website would come up with.

Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by htrp on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @04:07PM (#40433207)
"Hooli in da house"
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by TheAceOfHearts on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:17PM (#40431870)
Do you think anyone at Google even feels guilty or responsible about shipping this garbage or will they still receive a big fat bonus for shipping something? I understand that Google is probably under pressure due to all the AI-hype, but surely there must be someone on the inside that could call out this trash for what it is? Has the organization become so fully captured by psychopaths such that common sense is no longer able to prevail?
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by name_nick_sex_m on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:21PM (#40431922)
The hierarchy is too strong. Subordinate Googlers cannot really challenge anyone in their leadership chain. That leaves Siblings to challenge each other, which doesn't really happen either. (VPs either can't check other VPs, or don't give a f** about doing so)
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by onemoresoop on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:43PM (#40432209)
They just take the money at this point, I don't blame the low rang employees too much. Google isn't what it used to be and is not inhabited by the same spirit of the early days, most of those employees are long gone, the culture has changed, etc...
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by EGreg on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:05PM (#40431718)
How do we know these are real? I put the same prompts in and got proper answers!!
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by latexr on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:23PM (#40431957)
The answers aren’t deterministic. Which is part of the problem. While searching for these now may give you the right answers, I have personally encountered this level of bad responses enough times that none of these are surprising.

There’s no need to doctor screenshots to get these responses, at least twice now Google has shown bad answers in their own marketing materials.

Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by playingalong on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:46PM (#40432244)
Plain old web search wasn't deterministic either. At least for the past decade or more. I mean different people getting different results.
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by JohnFen on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @04:09PM (#40433232)
It pretty much was deterministic before Google started using ML to "help" interpret your search queries, which was a decade or more ago. Not coincidentally, that was also when Google search results started getting noticeably worse for me.
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by datavirtue on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:30PM (#40432045)
I have come back to some really tricky problems days or weeks later and the AI crushed it after having issues initially.
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by nicklecompte on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:10PM (#40431773)
Jesus, that kidney stones one is bad :( It's funny when the LLM totally checks out of reality, but not at all funny when the statement seems plausible to ignorant people.

(A lot people seem to subscribe to an ideology of "dumb people get what they deserve." What this really means to me is "I have Dunning-Kruger syndrome," but I wonder how much of that gets filtered down into making excuses for AI that sucks so badly it becomes actively dangerous.)

Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by al_borland on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:20PM (#40431909)
If I already know the answer to something, why would I be looking it up? These answers from AI should assume the person on the other end doesn’t know anything and isn’t going to fact check. If they were going to fact check, they’d just look it up in the first place and not waste their time with AI.

To me, a real sign of intelligence and maturity is being able to say, “I don’t know.” I always lose a lot of respect for people when I catch them making up answers to questions they can’t answer. It means I can’t trust anything they say. If I’m not willing to accept this behavior from a person in my life, why would I accept it from a machine?

Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by naitgacem on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:32PM (#40432062)
> they'd just look it up in the first place and not waste their time with Al.

Keep in mind these come from the new "AI Overview" feature, which means these appear at the TOP of search results!

Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by datavirtue on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:28PM (#40432023)
If you have a question about the answer have the AI review it to make sure it's correct. I have gotten it to pull it's head out of its ass numerous times. It's like a conversation with a human.

It's easy to hold it wrong if you believe things you see in print.

Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by nicklecompte on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:42PM (#40432189)
This is just completely disconnected from my original comment. What if someone reads "drink fruit juice to clear up kidney stones" from an AI and doesn't have a question about the answer because they don't fully understand what kidney stones are? The only response AI advocates seem to have is "not my problem." Or, far too often, the vindictive irresponsibility of "it was his fault for being so stupid that he trusted us."
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by al_borland on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @04:40PM (#40433606)
>"it was his fault for being so stupid that he trusted us."

It reminds me of a young Mark Zuckerberg, “they trust me. Dumb f*cks.”

Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by nicklecompte on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @04:49PM (#40433701)
I was thinking Animal House when I wrote it: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oCpwd0ARx6Q&pp=ygUbYW5pbWFsIGhvd...

  "Flounder, you can't spend your whole life worrying about your mistakes. You fucked up! You trusted us! Hey, make the best of it... maybe we can help you."
Re:How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as De... by JohnFen on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @04:10PM (#40433258)
> A lot people seem to subscribe to an ideology of "dumb people get what they deserve."

That's the mantra that allows far too many scammers to sleep at night.