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Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by schnitzelstoat on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @04:01AM (#40049483)
But the government is closing down the nuclear power stations so we'll be back to gas and coal soon enough!
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by jahnu on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @04:18AM (#40049555)
Not until 2035 at least https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Spain

That's 10 years to build alternatives assuming no further extensions or new nuclear.

Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by vasco on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @05:38AM (#40050052)
If they approved a replacement nuclear project today it wouldn't be live in 10 years though.
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by throw0101c on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @07:41AM (#40050784)
> If they approved a replacement nuclear project today it wouldn't be live in 10 years though.

Why not? Japan was building nuclear plants in 4-5 years (sort by "Begin building"):

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_commercial_nuclear_rea...

Standardize on one design and you can churn them out like widgets: France built 56 reactors in 15 years.

Want reliable power 24/7 without fossil fuels? Will it: make a policy decision and follow through.

Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by mehdix on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @04:08AM (#40049515)
Why is that a concern if already over 66% of energy is made of renewable sources?
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by bosie on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @04:18AM (#40049557)
Nuclear helps to reliably produce electricity when there is a peak demand or renewable has a problem producing (no sun, draught)
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by ktzar on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @05:25AM (#40049974)
Nuclear doesn't scale quickly. It already adapts from 4GW to 7GW in Spain, but it does it slowly and ahead of weather conditions. What is needed is more co-located battery storage, and more gravity (solid or water) storage.
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by binary132 on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @07:46AM (#40050829)
Maybe I don’t understand the requirement, but can’t a constant-rate supply provide stored power for peak demand and support baseline consumption off-peak?
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by adrianN on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @02:18PM (#40055386)
If you build all the storage and peak capacity anyway you might as well use renewable power to fill the storage, it’s cheaper than nuclear.
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by jorvi on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @06:19AM (#40050308)
Nuclear is never meant to scale, you want to run the plant at 100% as much as possible to recoup costs. It is baseload power and you deal with peaks using peaker plants and batteries.
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by ta1243 on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @05:01AM (#40049813)
So you need nuclear to be scaled to the maximum demand?
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by raphaelj on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @05:49AM (#40050111)
People always forget that a mostly nuclear grid also require a some kind of storage or demand scalability.
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by cm2187 on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @06:22AM (#40050323)
Why? All modern nuclear reactors do load following. I believe it’s even an EU requirement. And certainly the practice in France.

Nuclear costs the same thing whether you use it or not. If you meet the peak energy demand with nuclear you might as well save the construction of intermittent renewables.

Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by ta1243 on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @12:45PM (#40054240)
Meeting peak demand with Nuclear (including the maintenance time) increases the cost of nuclear to even higher levels than it currently is.
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by adrianN on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @02:22PM (#40055444)
Yeah nuclear costs the same, that’s the point. If you overbuild by two or three x to meet peak demand then per kWh you pay two to three times as much.
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by p_l on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @11:29AM (#40066105)
Honestly a big issue in my view is that we don't have more dynamic sinks.

Let's overbuild a mix of renewables and nuclear, then use the excess power to do things like green hydrogen.

Or maybe we will find other uses when electricity becomes too cheap to meter.

Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by adrianN on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @11:31PM (#40072694)
Doing that is part of the plan for the switch to renewables, and people are actively working on it. A friend of mine at Siemens energy for example is involved in such projects.
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by p_l on Thursday April 18, 2024 @02:41PM (#40079375)
Yes, there are people working on that.

Unfortunately they aren't the people who drive energy policy in practice or who fund new generation (most of the time, at least).

From capitalist point of view, it's always easier to turn profit by market speculation[1], with providing gas turbine backup second.

[1] I work for considerably big wind power company building off shore wind turbines. Our main revenue source is market speculation :<

Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by adrianN on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @06:21AM (#40050316)
With nuclear you have the option of running the reactors at 50% peak and produce energy at approximately twice the cost per kWh.
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by ta1243 on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @07:14AM (#40050628)
That's it. If you need to have nuclear capacity for a grid for say 30GW, despite average usage being just 10GW, your price is now $300/MWh rather than $100/MWh if you can run them 24/7
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by jahnu on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @04:23AM (#40049580)
There is no need for backup fossil power to account for more than a few percent of electricity production in the medium term.

https://www.volts.wtf/p/what-the-sun-isnt-always-shining

Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by helboi4 on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @04:51AM (#40049742)
Nuclear is different to fossil fuel power. It comes from a renewable source. It is bad only because it produced waste, but we're working towards solving this issue.
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by wffurr on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @05:29AM (#40049993)
Uranium is not a renewable resource. All of the uranium on earth was formed in another star’s supernova and seeded in the proto planetary nebula before the earth coalesced.
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by the_third_wave on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @06:28AM (#40050349)
That's why you use a fast neutron (breeder) reactor to extract up to 90% of the potential fissionable "fuel" from that uranium instead of just a few percent. Another option is the use of thorium of which is there is ca. 3 times as much. By the time both uranium and thorium run out there'll either be practical fusion energy or one of those new battery technologies which are always popping up.
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by adrianN on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @02:20PM (#40055410)
Now we just have to invest a few hundred billion for a few decades until er have practical commercial breeder reactors, while still burning coal and gas while we wait and see whether the engineers can figure it out.
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by oneshtein on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @05:32AM (#40050014)
Nuclear bomb can produce peaks of energy, while nuclear stations are good for base load only due to safety reasons.
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by nozzlegear on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @05:39AM (#40050062)
A nuclear power plant does not suddenly give you the capacity to create a nuclear bomb.
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by ed_balls on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @04:22AM (#40049577)
security e.g. massive sandstorm from Sahara blocking a lot of solar
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by moystard on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @05:18AM (#40049928)
They will import from the French grid like all French neighbours that abandoned their nuclear programs.
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by sveme on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @05:37AM (#40050047)
Same old, same old. In an interconnected grid, everyone is importing and exporting from and to everyone. Germany (which you are referring to), is still an exporter of electricity.
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by moystard on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @05:42AM (#40050077)
Not since 2023.

https://www.energate-messenger.com/news/239393/germany-becom...

Additional article highlighting the role of electricity exporter of France: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-07/france-is...

Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by oneshtein on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @05:31AM (#40050003)
Which is good for both France and those countries.
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by the_third_wave on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @06:32AM (#40050376)
Only until something brings down the French grid. Power generation should not be too centralised since that creates too many opportunities for failure, accidental (storm, fire) or intentional (sabotage, war).