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Re:Find My Device on Android by saurik on Monday April 08, 2024 @01:52PM (#39972115)
AirTags only come in a single size and shape that only makes sense for larger container objects. Tile makes a flat credit-card sized variant that you can slide in your wallet, and the adapters required to put an AirTag on a keychain is pretty ridiculous in comparison to the tiny variants you can get from Tile with a built-in hole for this purpose.

(Also: AFAIK the "large"--not really, in comparison to the AirTag + adapter, lol--Tile Pro variants have a noticeably longer range than AirTags.) Honestly, the only thing, to me, missing from Tile is the direction arrow finder, which is certainly useful, and yet... the speakers on the Tile are much much better so it just doesn't matter so much?

(BTW: it is extremely stupid that that arrow only works in two directions. I waste so much time following the arrow only to realize I need to go upstairs -- I live in a two story apartment with a bedroom and an office above my kitchen and living room: it isn't larger than my friends's apartments, but it is really nice having two floors -- that I am only doing because the sound isn't loud enough on AirTags.)

Frankly, the whole argument for AirTags being inherently better is merely that they have a "bigger network", but for most of my objects I am not scavenging around town looking for then, nor am I ever going to be chasing some thief around the city in my car looking to steal it back, hoping to catch up to them before they disable or throw out the tracker... that vigilante justice idea associated with this product category is just a crazy pipe dream.

Instead, I am pretty much always just trying to figure out which pair of pants I left my wallet in today, or on which shelf I left my keys: I would actually be much happier with a purely local product that only responded to encrypted pings from my personal phone and only even did that when I actively ask it to (as despite using both Tile and AirTags for years now the "you left your item behind" notifications have only happened before I myself noticed once or twice in a way which was helpful... it just doesn't ping often enough, with either product, to be maximally useful).

And looking at the replies to this, I have learned AirTags are actually missing what is to me a glorious feature of Tile: that I can push a button on my keys and find my phone in reverse. I hadn't noticed this lack before as I am only using AirTags in large objects I don't keep on my person (which makes their notifications really annoying as the UI fails to eat old ones even when I walk back to my object... this seems very fixable), but I don't want to have to buy an Apple Watch just to have a way to find my phone :/.

Re:Find My Device on Android by thebruce87m on Monday April 08, 2024 @02:03PM (#39972206)
While technically true, there are non-AirTag third-party devices you can buy that still work with Find My: https://www.macrumors.com/guide/find-my-network-accessory-pr...

Both variants you list are supported by Chipolo: https://chipolo.net/en/products/category/chipolo-spot

Re:Find My Device on Android by saurik on Monday April 08, 2024 @02:12PM (#39972315)
That's cool! I am looking at this and seeing another issue with AirTag: I actively use the feature on Tile where I can use the Tile on my keychain to find my phone by pushing the button, and I guess AirTags is entirely missing that feature.
Re:Find My Device on Android by lotsofpulp on Monday April 08, 2024 @02:44PM (#39972566)
You're supposed to use your Apple Watch to find your iPhone.
Re:Find My Device on Android by xp84 on Monday April 08, 2024 @07:42PM (#39974845)
And if you misplace your Apple Watch®, grab your Apple Vision Pro® to look for the Apple Watch® in Augmented Reality!
Re:Find My Device on Android by shuckles on Monday April 08, 2024 @10:43PM (#39975827)
You make fun of it, yet the ecosystem is so popular and well integrated that the US Department of Justice is suing them over it.
Re:Find My Device on Android by worthless-trash on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @01:43AM (#39976451)
That's apple DOJ soon.
Re:Find My Device on Android by arnavpraneet on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @07:20AM (#39978264)
at the Apple Inc. Sessions Court
Re:Find My Device on Android by idle_zealot on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @02:45AM (#39976738)
The issue is not that they have a well-integrated ecosystem, it's that they build features into their products that only their other products are allowed to use. There would be no need for action if Apple designed a popular ecosystem that all of your devices could participate in.
Re:Find My Device on Android by lotsofpulp on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @08:01AM (#39978517)
Are there laws against that “issue”?
Re:Find My Device on Android by idle_zealot on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @08:07AM (#39978546)
Sure, in the EU.
Re:Find My Device on Android by shuckles on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @09:54AM (#39979466)
This is irrelevant. The comment was about Apple’s preferred way of locating lost phones was Apple Watch so they don’t support pinging it from an AirTag. This has nothing to do with 3rd party support, and in fact 3rd parties (Tile) do have the feature Apple doesn’t for their item trackers.

Apple not allowing 3rd parties use of their proprietary technology is not the entirety of the DoJ’s argument. For example, their claims about Messages and Apple Watch are about support Apple hasn’t built, not about what they prevent 3rd parties from building.

Re:Find My Device on Android by sleepybrett on Monday April 08, 2024 @03:19PM (#39972816)
something i initially missed as well but like .. if you pushed the button on your airtag it would probably start all your apple devices to beeping. The tag is associated with your account, not your phone like with tile.
Re:Find My Device on Android by Dylan16807 on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @03:13AM (#39976882)
Different behavior would be very easy to program.
Re:Find My Device on Android by KennyBlanken on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @02:29AM (#39976661)
More expensive and the batteries are non-replaceable seems like a double fail.
Re:Find My Device on Android by thebruce87m on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @02:35AM (#39976692)
The circular one has a replaceable battery https://support.chipolo.net/hc/en-us/articles/360020095718-H...
Re:Find My Device on Android by dpkirchner on Monday April 08, 2024 @02:34PM (#39972489)
FWIW I've had success with this AirTag card thing: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4849497 . It's flat enough to fit in my wallet without distorting it too much.
Re:Find My Device on Android by madeofpalk on Monday April 08, 2024 @02:01PM (#39972191)
Kind of. Apple's Find My network is open to third party accessory makers. Here's a card-shaped one https://chipolo.net/en/products/chipolo-card-spot

I don't believe third party accessories support the compass-style precision finding though.

Re:Find My Device on Android by saurik on Monday April 08, 2024 @02:16PM (#39972346)
Thanks! For the card-shaped one I might actually try that one out and switch. I actually was just adding a thing to my comment about how the location finding thing is certainly useful but not as good as a loud speaker as it doesn't support a Z axis for some silly reason, so I don't really care. But, honestly, the flat versions of the Tile have an issue where the speaker wires can get broken slightly by flexing in the wallet (I took one apart to diagnose this once) and so I could see trying a competitor, as this is the same thickness!!
Re:Find My Device on Android by jsheard on Monday April 08, 2024 @02:30PM (#39972473)
Unfortunately the wallet trackers are compromised by the fact that most nice wallets come with RFID (and BLE) blocking linings nowadays...

Hang onto your old RF-transparent wallet, because RFID blocking has become a standard bullet-point feature they all have to have now.

Re:Find My Device on Android by saurik on Monday April 08, 2024 @05:57PM (#39974158)
I had found what I consider to be the perfect wallet and while they did add an RFID lining it was one I could remove. I have bought multiple of them as backups and likely will purchase a few more ;P.
Re:Find My Device on Android by msthomaa on Monday April 08, 2024 @11:23PM (#39975974)
Which wallet? Thanks!
Re:Find My Device on Android by ssl-3 on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @01:30AM (#39976395)
The only time I've used RF-blocking gear for privacy or security was when I had a little Faraday pouch for my old flip phone a million years ago[0].

It was nice-enough case for my phone and it primarily kept the phone from getting beat up by other pocket-stuff that would happen in a workday. But it also had two compartments: One was shielded all around by conductive fabric and this made a fairly good Faraday cage, and for the other one layer of that conductive fabric would be pushed aside so that the Faraday cage was incomplete (and thus largely non-functional).

It gave me a choice, and that choice worked well.

I think I paid $3 for it back in the day from DealExtreme (which was a lot like Temu is today, except shipping normally took months instead of days or weeks).

Is choice not a thing in modern RFID-blocking wallets?

[0: There was a time when my company felt it was useful to track people with their company-provided cell phones. I didn't mind that during the workday, so much, but we were also encouraged to use these as our personal phones if we chose to, and strongly encouraged to keep them with us 24/7 so we would be reachable.

And I didn't mind being reachable most or all of the time and I certainly enjoyed not having my own cell phone bill back then, but I did not like being tracked 24/7: Sometimes, I wanted to do my own private shit on my own time without being snooped on.

I could tell the tracking app to exit, and that did work, but doing so sent a notification to my completely stupid, abusive manager -- who would variously either call to ask why I did that, or just silently turn it back on remotely (which the system permitted).

And I did not (and do not) think that, as a professional, I needed to excuse my choice to have privacy at any given time. (Given my own role in the company I had access to this tracking data as well, but I'm not the abusive type.)

So, the solution was simple: Normally, the phone was in the non-shielded part of the case. And when I dropped it into the completely-surrounded Faraday portion instead, the phone just simply dropped off and silently stopped providing updates.

This worked 100%, and while I refer to them as separate compartments to aid in functional clarity, the design of this case didn't really take up any more space than any other phone-case would have.]

Re:Find My Device on Android by ianburrell on Monday April 08, 2024 @02:08PM (#39972260)
AirTags really should have a hole on the edge. Then could attach a lanyard for keychain or strap without needing an adapter.
Re:Find My Device on Android by xp84 on Monday April 08, 2024 @07:46PM (#39974875)
Insane that this seems to be getting downvoted (I assume? It's faded to light gray) just because you are daring to question the superiority of the Apple Solution.
Re:Find My Device on Android by kiwijamo on Monday April 08, 2024 @09:46PM (#39975578)
One of the most informative post, downvoted. I guess the traditional HN crowd has moved on and the Apple(TM) crowd is its replacement.
Re:Find My Device on Android by brokenmachine on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @09:23PM (#39986046)
It's weird to me that people actually have this problem often enough that they go out of their way to research and buy a product to try to solve it. I literally never lose my phone or wallet.

There's like three different places I put my phone in different areas of the house, and only one where I put my wallet and keys as soon as I enter.

I would like an airtag to put on my bike or laptop or other high value item to track it if stolen, but I'm not about to buy Apple stuff.