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Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by c22 on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @04:54PM (#39922993)
When I go to Safeway I can find a handful of saffron threads suspended in a small glass jar for about $23, or I can find a similar thing for $30 at a fancier grocer. Meanwhile, if I go to the nearby independent indian grocery store I can get a cigarette-pack-sized box of the stuff for about ten bucks. While it's definitely not the cheapest spice I don't feel bad about liberally using it in my chai recipe and a box usually lasts me a couple months.
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by aagha on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @05:40PM (#39923574)
It's a near certainty that what you're buying at the Indian store is fake.

Check out these two sources and maybe run a test?

https://sadafpack.com/blog/how-can-we-distinguish-original-s...

https://motherwouldknow.com/how-to-identify-real-saffron-avo...

Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by throwway120385 on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @07:50PM (#39924847)
They grow it in Eastern Washington: https://cyrussaffron.com/about-us-1. And it is significantly cheaper than the imported stuff.
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by cmclaughlin on Thursday April 04, 2024 @09:08AM (#39929926)
Thanks for sharing this!

I’m half Iranian and didn’t grow up with my dad, so I have very little cultural connection except for my love of Persian food.

It’s hard for me to justify buying the little bottles of Saffron at groceries stores given the price and the ratio of product to packaging.

Now I’m going to order from that company and step up my culinary game! Still not cheap but at least it feels like a good deal and I appreciate that it’s not shipped across the world and that it’s available in bulk.

Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by user_7832 on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @07:09PM (#39924506)
> https://sadafpack.com/blog/how-can-we-distinguish-original-s...

The contents on the website are a bit.. weird? Good 'ol GPT maybe?

> 3. Distinguishing fake saffron with gasoline Saffron does not dissolve in gasoline. Therefore, by dissolving saffron in gasoline, you can decide if your saffron is original or fake.

This doesn't make sense.

> #first stage;

Put saffron in water. In some cases it will change the color of the water very quickly; but this color change is not worth it, because this fast color change signifies fake saffron.

#second stage;

Put the root in water for a short time. When you remove the root from the water, the original saffron does not lose its color, while if it is fake, it loses its added color completely and does not look the same.

Either someone is poor at communicating in English and using heading styles, or this is some kind of poor quality hallucination.

A personal method I think is effective (especially you are familiar with saffron's smell/taste), is to soak a little of it (as mentioned) for a few hours, and taste it. It should have a slightly sweetish, herbal taste.

Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by pazimzadeh on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @07:44PM (#39924805)
you want to buy your saffron from people who don't speak english, trust me
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by user_7832 on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @09:20PM (#39925494)
Sure, but I wouldn’t expect such a person to know to use a # for headings either.
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by pazimzadeh on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @09:55PM (#39925719)
1. # might be generated by some blogging software; 2. you might be some kind of racist
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by curiousObject on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @11:04PM (#39926134)
Good comment, but you don’t need to say #2
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by krageon on Thursday April 04, 2024 @07:49AM (#39929133)
I think it's reasonable to invite people to reinvestigate their preconceived notions of what folks who don't speak english do and do not know. The original comment was essentially "well how would they know to use a # for a heading? I don't expect that from a non-english speaker", which is definitely a statement that should result in some introspection.
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by user_7832 on Thursday April 04, 2024 @08:44AM (#39929706)
I think it’s quite unwarranted and very judgemental. I’m myself a non native English speaker and come from a country where the majority aren’t a native speaker.
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by user_7832 on Thursday April 04, 2024 @11:02AM (#39931301)
To clarify, the stereotypical person who'd be likely to be selling saffron is likely a trader/merchant who's been at it for decades. Such people are excellent at business but often struggle with technology (no offense meant, you don't need to be good at tech to be a good/nice person). I wouldn't except this kind of person to know what a # does for headings.

(It's possible they asked some younger kid/nephew for help - again speaking from experience as I've seen this trend a lot as an Asian myself - and younger gens would likely know how to use a hashtag/pound, but younger gens are generally quite decent with English too. Again, this is in general - of course there are exceptions which this article appears to be.)

Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by user_7832 on Thursday April 04, 2024 @08:45AM (#39929727)
1 makes sense, but 2 is very unnecessary. I’m not a native speaker myself, and my main suspicion did not even involve humans writing this.
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by throwup238 on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @09:44PM (#39925651)
First archived version on the wayback machine is from November, 2020: https://web.archive.org/web/20201127234815/https://sadafpack...
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by user_7832 on Thursday April 04, 2024 @10:51AM (#39931157)
Thank you!
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by hombre_fatal on Thursday April 04, 2024 @01:22AM (#39926841)
When have you seen ChatGPT write English like that?
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by user_7832 on Thursday April 04, 2024 @10:54AM (#39931195)
I think earlier versions (GPT2? 3?) were a bit wonky in the sense that they'd make sentences which appeared grammatically correct but not actually make sense. But I didn't play around with them too much. Anyway, the article was nearly the same in 2020 so it's unlikely to be that.
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by user_7832 on Thursday April 04, 2024 @10:56AM (#39931230)
I'm a bit surprised why being cautious and pointing out suspicious parts warrants downvotes. I'm happy to chat with anyone who thinks so to understand their perspective.
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by enlyth on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @06:28PM (#39924100)
A local restaurant where I live has a dish (chili pepper squid) where they add a generous amount of saffron to it, and I always wondered how they can keep the cost so low.

Now when I looked at the pictures on the website you linked, it definitely looks like the fake stuff.

Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by huytersd on Thursday April 04, 2024 @01:37PM (#39933546)
I know the taste of saffron and have never not gotten real saffron at an Indian grocery store, atleast in the eastern United States.
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by metaphor on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @06:36PM (#39924187)
> Meanwhile, if I go to the nearby independent indian grocery store I can get a cigarette-pack-sized box of the stuff for about ten bucks.

Worth noting that saffron adulteration in India is common enough that the country's Food Safety and Standards Authority disseminates public guidance on how to detect for it at home; see serial numbers 46 and 47 here[1].

[1] https://www.fssai.gov.in/cms/checkadulteration.php

Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by hammock on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @05:17PM (#39923281)
Could it be fake, adulterated or poisonous somehow?
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by hammock on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @06:38PM (#39924209)
BS to downvote me for this comment. Cheap olive oil is counterfeit. Cheap milk, honey and coffee are adulterated with fillers. Cheap tumeric is colored with lead oxide
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by throwway120385 on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @07:52PM (#39924861)
Not always. I've done the color test on a lot of cheap spices I get in the middle eastern stores I can go to and they've always passed the tests. Sometimes it's cheaper because you're not paying for it to be portioned into little glass jars and sold as an exotic, rare thing like it is in western european cuisine.
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by tired_throwaway on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @07:02PM (#39924434)
I can buy some of your claims, but how do you adulterate a coffee bean?
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by ssl-3 on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @07:44PM (#39924801)
Coffee beans are bin-sorted in a way where the good coffee gets better, and the lesser coffee gets worse.

The most-shapely and consistent beans go to the more-premium lines.

The small, underdeveloped, or misshapen beans (called "clinkers") go to the cheaper lines, along with the other defects. And so does the chaff from the coffee hulls, which is rolled up into weird little balls and thrown in too -- which is not done with premium coffees. The unavoidable portion of insect parts is higher in cheap coffee than it is in expensive coffee.

In an ideal world, all of the stuff that is removed from premium coffees would be used as compost or something.

But it is instead included in the lesser coffees, where it is consumed.

Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by infecto on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @07:25PM (#39924673)
You add fillers to the ground product.
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by computershit on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @08:35PM (#39925143)
Downvotes were for poison hyperbole almost certainly
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by fbdab103 on Thursday April 04, 2024 @01:16AM (#39926806)
Poison seems totally fair. Counterfeit tumeric can have high amounts of lead. Lead being one of those chemicals with no safe amount.
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by mrguyorama on Thursday April 04, 2024 @03:20PM (#39934663)
We literally have a cinnamon adulteration case going through the US right now. Children were poisoned by applesauce with adulterated cinnamon.
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by BobaFloutist on Thursday April 04, 2024 @12:04AM (#39926414)
Cheap olive oil from Costco is not counterfeit. Cheap honey from Costco isn't counterfeit. Cheap vanilla from Costco is...once again, not counterfeit.

Moral: Buy things from Costco.

Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by gnicholas on Thursday April 04, 2024 @12:37AM (#39926581)
Olive oil should be used within a reasonably short time of opening, which makes Costco-sized bottles less practical. We buy honey and vanilla extract from Costco, but we don't use olive oil anywhere near fast enough to justify buying Costco-sized jugs.
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by vasco on Thursday April 04, 2024 @02:31AM (#39927186)
My family makes a small batch of olive oil from a couple of big trees we have and have never gotten through what we make that fast, even though we use a lot. What's the problem in taking long to consume it? (Months)
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by gnicholas on Friday April 05, 2024 @12:00AM (#39938561)
I assume that the olive oil I buy in the store is very old compared to fresh-pressed oil. Similarly, my aunt has an avocado tree, and her fresh-picked avocados stay ripe for weeks, unlike the store-bought kind that have a sweet spot of ~36 hours.
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by faizan-ali on Thursday April 04, 2024 @02:40AM (#39927238)
Olive oil somm here (yeah that's a thing!)

Olive oil (and all cooking oils in general) are the opposite of wine - once bottled they start degrading and any additional exposure to air, light, heat degrades them further.

What degrades specifically? Usually it's the nuanced flavors and health benefits of good extra virgin, it'll usually be fine for cooking but you're losing out on the purposeful decision of using olive oil over vegetable oils (gross)

Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by pcl on Thursday April 04, 2024 @03:53AM (#39927663)
Olive oil is so much cheaper in bulk. Do you have any tips for how to preserve it? Intuitively, I would assume that re-bottling a large volume into several small bottles (and then keeping the extras sealed and in the dark) would be better than using a larger bottle continuously. Does that hold up to your experience?
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by gnicholas on Friday April 05, 2024 @12:03AM (#39938573)
If exposure to air is bad, it's possible that re-bottling wouldn't work well. I don't know if bottled olive oil is treated like many other packaged foods and sealed in with an inert(ish) gas, but I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case. I don't know how you could replicate that at home.
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by fyt2024 on Sunday April 14, 2024 @06:35AM (#40030158)
Fill something into a smaller bottle. The stock:

Freeze

No light

Add a little vitamin E. Vit e catches to radicals and therefore prevent oxygenation

Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by BobaFloutist on Thursday April 04, 2024 @01:05PM (#39933086)
I can easily taste the difference between food cooked with olive oil and natural oils as long as it's a relatively mild dish with a limited number of flavors (which is the appropriate use case).

It's so weird to me when people act like neutral oil has no applications. Olive oil can be good without neutral oils having to be bad. They're just good for different things.

Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by thfuran on Thursday April 04, 2024 @12:43AM (#39926622)
Not lead oxide, lead chromate. So you can get all the hexavalent chromium you could ever need. But by "cheap", I think you mean "the absolute dodgiest crap that mostly never even gets exported from Bangladesh".
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by tekla on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @06:09PM (#39923884)
It's almost definitely fake
Re:Saffron: The Story of the World's Most Expensive Spice by jimmySixDOF on Thursday April 04, 2024 @10:41AM (#39931036)
Not saying anything about your case but I see a lot of people confusing Safflower and Saffron and it's not always clearly labeled. They can add a similar color but thats about it. FWIW, I like to keep a little saffron in honey then use that for tea it vs adding threads directly.