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Re:Canada's surging cost of living fuels reverse immigration by defrost on Saturday December 09, 2023 @11:06PM (#38588950)
See graph in article:

Canada's emigration rate (exiting the country) was "quite high" at rougly 0.15% of popuation for 15 years 1990-2015.

It steadily declined to 0.07% in 2020 ... and <dramatic sting!> has now climbed a bit to 0.09%.

It's a trend in a small number and trends are interesting, however ... another interesting and true headline might be:

Canadians not leaving Canda forever nearly as fast as they used to!!

Re:Canada's surging cost of living fuels reverse immigration by pramsey on Saturday December 09, 2023 @11:20PM (#38589010)
Yes, all the data in the story contradicts the frame. Journalistic malpractice.
Re:Canada's surging cost of living fuels reverse immigration by lelanthran on Saturday December 09, 2023 @11:56PM (#38589211)
> Canada's emigration rate (exiting the country) was [...]

Maybe, but the articles main thesis, as expressed by it's title is about reverse immigration, not emigration:

> The rate of immigrants leaving Canada hit a two-decade high in 2019,

I feel the article just mixed in all the numbers they could for the maximum possible interpretations by readers. They could have focused on the thesis in the title, or they could have focused on the emigration, but by choosing to mix everything up all you get are a bunch of readers who come away from the same article with different salient points.

Re:Canada's surging cost of living fuels reverse immigration by ta988 on Sunday December 10, 2023 @12:09AM (#38589284)
And not leaving as fast as they are entering, a number that increases every year. That's just a non-news based on some random variations that's on a topic that can make some people emotional so they click...
Re:Canada's surging cost of living fuels reverse immigration by zaptheimpaler on Saturday December 09, 2023 @11:27PM (#38589048)
> The rate of immigrants leaving Canada hit a two-decade high in 2019, according to a recent report from the Institute for Canadian Citizenship (ICC),

Its about immigrants specifically leaving, which is arguably a good indicator of the desirability of living in the country.

Re:Canada's surging cost of living fuels reverse immigration by Terr_ on Saturday December 09, 2023 @11:50PM (#38589181)
> Its about immigrants specifically leaving

This is a place where the terminology breaks down, since technically even native-born Canadians who leave for another country are "immigrating" to that country.

I assume you mean something like: "This is about people who immigrated to Canada emigrating/immigrating a second time."

Re:Canada's surging cost of living fuels reverse immigration by toast0 on Sunday December 10, 2023 @12:02AM (#38589247)
Immigrants leaving a country are those people who had been living somewhere outside the country, came to live in it, and now decided to leave and go elsewhwere.

Emigrants leaving a country had been living there, perhaps for their whole life, and have decided to leave and go elsewhere.

Re:Canada's surging cost of living fuels reverse immigration by Nthringas on Saturday December 09, 2023 @11:46PM (#38589162)
you're saying you don't want neighbors?
Re:Canada's surging cost of living fuels reverse immigration by lelanthran on Saturday December 09, 2023 @11:51PM (#38589186)
GP wasn't venturing an opinion on immigration/emigration, he was offering a correction[1] to the poster who thought the article was talking about emigration when it was actually talking about the immigrant population only.

Just like how I am not giving an opinion on the immigration/emigration policies, I'm merely offering (what I think is[2]) a correction to your post.

[1] Maybe his "correction" is wrong, but he is still only talking about stats and not policies.

[2] I could be wrong too, about my interpretation about GPs correction, but that still leaves this post void of opinions on immigration/emigration policies.

Re:Canada's surging cost of living fuels reverse immigration by ganeshkrishnan on Saturday December 09, 2023 @11:30PM (#38589058)
As a recent immigrant to Canada the weather is far far worse and a real reason for leaving Canada than anything else.

Personally, just my opinion, among the 7+ countries that I have stayed in, Canada ranks the top for almost everything. It has its challenges and rough spots and problems and issues but is much more manageable compared to other countries.

No guns, universal medicare, friendly(iest) people, free school, English speaking, amazing landscape: Next to impossible to find a challenger for me.

Re:Canada's surging cost of living fuels reverse immigration by moneywoes on Sunday December 10, 2023 @12:01AM (#38589242)
what has been your experience with the healthcare? anecdotally had a friend leave due to no cancer treatment availability. haven’t been able to get a family doctor myself
Re:Canada's surging cost of living fuels reverse immigration by lbrito on Sunday December 10, 2023 @12:06AM (#38589265)
Highly province dependent

Quebec has 20%+ of its population with no family doctor while Ontario has 10%

Here in metro Vancouver it is recently very easy to get a doctor, but on Vancouver Island (same province) it is very hard

Re:Canada's surging cost of living fuels reverse immigration by ganeshkrishnan on Sunday December 10, 2023 @12:20AM (#38589333)
Which city? I am in Toronto and our family doctor is amazing. Hospitals definitely have a very long waiting time but I have heard the same from UK/EU.

Australia is much better but it's a far wealthier country with far fewer people

Re:Canada's surging cost of living fuels reverse immigration by moltar on Sunday December 10, 2023 @04:00AM (#38590225)
I’m a Canadian currently living in Portugal. Canadians have been lied to regarding healthcare and it’s quality for way too long.

In Portugal I can schedule any specialist doctor visit in a matter of days in advance all online via Calendly like interface.

I don’t need to wait for family doctor approval.

I can also go and run a lab panel at will, at many locations throughout the city. No dr referenced needed. Costs like 5-10 euros per lab without insurance.

When I went to see a dr, he actually spent time talking to me one on one for the full half hour allotted. No rushing. In Canada doctor would run in and out in minutes quickly just dishing out some prescription or a lab. I felt like I was just an item on a conveyor belt.

Re:Canada's surging cost of living fuels reverse immigration by tempestn on Sunday December 10, 2023 @12:27AM (#38589368)
Afaik Australia is neither far wealthier nor does it have far fewer people, at least as I would define "far".

Let me check.. GDP per capita at purchasing power parity was 62k for Australia VS 58k for Canada last year. Pretty comparable. Population is 40M vs 26M. I guess you could argue that's far fewer people, but in the range of countries those are in the same general vicinity.

Re:Canada's surging cost of living fuels reverse immigration by ganeshkrishnan on Sunday December 10, 2023 @02:22AM (#38589785)
https://wid.world/document/whats-new-about-inequality-in-aus...

Income inequality (when I was there in 2010's) for Canada was twice that of Australia.

It (was/is) extremely rare to see homeless people in Australia while in most places in Toronto downtown its impossible to NOT see homeless.

If you spend few years in both countries you can clearly see the standard of living difference between both countries. Canadian infrastructure is much more poorer and worse off (my observation, not my complaint)

Re:Canada's surging cost of living fuels reverse immigration by willsmith72 on Saturday December 09, 2023 @11:45PM (#38589153)
Depends where you are and what weather you like, personally I've loved the weather year round in multiple Canadian cities/towns
Re:Canada's surging cost of living fuels reverse immigration by resolutebat on Saturday December 09, 2023 @11:44PM (#38589147)
Try Australia, it ticks the same boxes but has better weather. (At least in the places people actually live in.)
Re:Canada's surging cost of living fuels reverse immigration by alephnerd on Sunday December 10, 2023 @12:29AM (#38589379)
Australia has the same issues as Canada but none of the same benefits (aka TN visa eligibility).
Re:Canada's surging cost of living fuels reverse immigration by bpye on Saturday December 09, 2023 @11:51PM (#38589184)
Certainly depends on your definition of better. I find the summers in Vancouver borderline too hot - and it’s supposedly cooler here than Melbourne so…
Re:Canada's surging cost of living fuels reverse immigration by ganeshkrishnan on Sunday December 10, 2023 @12:18AM (#38589322)
I am an Australian citizen actually. Moved from Australia to Canada few years back.

Australia has too many drawback and none of them are weather or socioeconomic.

Re:Canada's surging cost of living fuels reverse immigration by tempestn on Sunday December 10, 2023 @12:28AM (#38589375)
Curious what you see as the main pros and cons of Australia vs Canada.
Re:Canada's surging cost of living fuels reverse immigration by ganeshkrishnan on Sunday December 10, 2023 @12:49AM (#38589458)
Canada: close to the US, major tech center, highly skilled population, diverse landscape, friendly open minded society.

Australia: negative of all the above.

Re:Canada's surging cost of living fuels reverse immigration by YZF on Saturday December 09, 2023 @11:21PM (#38589016)
You mean Reuters is making stuff up? That's not possible. They interviewed like one person that says cost of living is high and they're considering moving.

I'm not even sure the cost of living is still surging. Gas is cheaper. Real estate is going sideways. At least in my personal experience it's stabilized.

More seriously. Canada had brain drain for some time. People leaving to the US e.g. I'm sure that's still happening. I think Trump being elected in the US slowed that somewhat. There's all sorts of reasons why people move from one country to another. Correlation, causation and all of that.

The Globe and Mail has an this headline: "BoC Deputy Governor Gravelle says high immigration adding to housing inflation".

EDIT: Also immigrants leaving isn't that unusual. Immigration isn't for everyone. You might have family and friends behind. It might be hard to make new connections. Get a job. It's pretty cold here too.

Re:Canada's surging cost of living fuels reverse immigration by FpUser on Sunday December 10, 2023 @12:09AM (#38589285)
>"At least in my personal experience it's stabilized"

It has stabilized at the level the average Joe could never afford. Having a house was once relatively easy attainable goal. So we fucked it up.