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Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by tacone on Monday November 20, 2023 @02:31PM (#38353207)
Incredible. Is this unprecedented or have been other cases in history where the vast majority of employees standup against the board in favor of their CEO?
Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by nightski on Monday November 20, 2023 @02:38PM (#38353334)
I highly doubt this is directly in support of Altman and more about not imploding the company they work for. But you never know.
Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by gkoberger on Monday November 20, 2023 @03:47PM (#38354473)
I'm sure this is a big part of it. But everyone I know at OpenAI (and outside) is a huge Sam fan.
Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by mycologos on Monday November 20, 2023 @06:19PM (#38356404)
> everyone I know at OpenAI (and outside) is a huge Sam fan

Everyone you know is a huge Sam fan? What?

Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by checkyoursudo on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:02PM (#38356841)
I was going to say, I wouldn’t be surprised if I am one of only a handful of the people whom I know who even know who sama is.
Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by stingraycharles on Monday November 20, 2023 @08:35PM (#38357647)
I reckon the people working at OpenAI know who sama is, though.
Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by debacle on Monday November 20, 2023 @03:05PM (#38353786)
Could also be an indictment of the new CEO, who is no Sam Altman.
Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by JumpCrisscross on Monday November 20, 2023 @04:14PM (#38354894)
> Is this unprecedented or have been other cases in history where the vast majority of employees standup against the board in favor of their CEO?

It's unprecedented for it to be happening on Twitter. But this is largely how Board fights tend to play out. Someone strikes early, the stronger party rallies their support, threats fly and a deal is found.

Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by nprateem on Monday November 20, 2023 @03:44PM (#38354432)
In favour of the CEO who was about to make them fabulously wealthy. FTFY.
Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by firejake308 on Monday November 20, 2023 @03:54PM (#38354560)
Yeah, especially with the PPU compensation scheme, all of those employees were heavily invested in turning OpenAI into the next tech giant, which won't happen if Altman leaves and takes everything to Microsoft
Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by chii on Monday November 20, 2023 @06:08PM (#38356275)
and there aint nothing wrong with wanting to be fabulously wealthy.
Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by wintogreen74 on Monday November 20, 2023 @06:30PM (#38356516)
of course not, but at least have the decency to admit it - don't hide behind some righteous flag of loyalty and caring.
Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by bart_spoon on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:11PM (#38356924)
That is entirely dependent on how that wealth is obtained
Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by Mistletoe on Monday November 20, 2023 @06:42PM (#38356645)
Greed is good, eh Gordon Gekko?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=VVxYOQS6ggk

Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by paulddraper on Monday November 20, 2023 @02:53PM (#38353571)
Jobs was fired from Apple, and a number of employees followed him to Next.

Different, but that's the closest parallel.

Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by Wytwwww on Monday November 20, 2023 @03:08PM (#38353833)
Only a very small number of people left with Jobs. Of course, probably mainly because he couldn't necessarily afford to hire more without the backing of a trillion-dollar corporation...
Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by dimask on Monday November 20, 2023 @03:35PM (#38354292)
Imagine if Jobs had gone to M$.
Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by KerrAvon on Monday November 20, 2023 @03:49PM (#38354489)
He would have been almost immediately fired for insubordination.

Jobs needed the wilderness years.

Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by Rapzid on Monday November 20, 2023 @04:17PM (#38354929)
Jobs getting fired was the best thing that could have happened to him and Apple.
Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by KerrAvon on Monday November 20, 2023 @03:50PM (#38354517)
No, the failures at NeXT weren’t due to a lack of money or personnel. He took the people he wanted to take (and who were willing to come with him).
Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by _zoltan_ on Monday November 20, 2023 @03:33PM (#38354262)
Apple back then was not a trillion dollar corporation.
Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by varjag on Monday November 20, 2023 @03:35PM (#38354295)
Microsoft now is.
Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by Applejinx on Monday November 20, 2023 @04:28PM (#38355083)
Gordon Ramsey quit Aubergine over business differences with the owners and had his whole staff follow him to a new restaurant.

I'm not going to say Sam Altman is a Gordon Ramsay. What I will say is that they both seem to have come from broken, damaged childhoods that made them what they are, and that it doesn't automatically make you a good person just because you can be such an intense person that you inspire loyalty to your cause.

If anything, all this suggests there are depths to Sam Altman we might not know much about. Normal people don't become these kinds of entrepreneurs. I'm sure there's a very interesting story behind all this.

Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by Solvency on Monday November 20, 2023 @04:42PM (#38355283)
Aaand there you have it: cargo culting in full swing.
Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by xsmasher on Monday November 20, 2023 @06:45PM (#38356678)
I don't think you mean cargo culting. Cult of personality?
Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by checkyoursudo on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:08PM (#38356890)
Cargo cult of personality?

Little care packages of seemingly magical AI-adjacent tech washes into our browsers and terminals and suddenly a large and irrational following springs up to worship some otherwise largely unfamiliar personage.

Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by selimthegrim on Monday November 20, 2023 @02:37PM (#38353318)
Market Basket.
Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by anonymouskimmer on Monday November 20, 2023 @03:09PM (#38353856)
I had to click too many links to discover the story, so here's a direct link to the New England Market Basket story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_Basket_(New_England)#20...
Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by abnry on Monday November 20, 2023 @03:40PM (#38354366)
Oh yes, I lived through this and it was fascinating to see. Very rarely does the big boss get the support of the employees to the extent they are willing to strike. The issue was that Artie T. and his cousin Artie S. (confusingly they had the same first name) were both roughly 50% owners and at odds. Artie S. wanted to sell the grocery chain to some big public corporation, IIRC. Just before, Artie T had an outstanding 4% off on all purchases for many months, as some sort of very generous promo. It sounded like he really treated his employees and his customers (community) well. You can get all inspirational about it, but he described supplying food to New England communities as an important thing to do. Which it is.
Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by luke-stanley on Monday November 20, 2023 @02:52PM (#38353542)
I misread this as Markov Blanket.
Re:Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO by jasonfarnon on Monday November 20, 2023 @04:26PM (#38355066)
doubtful since boards don't elsewhere have an overriding mandate to "benefit humanity". usually their duty is to stakeholders more closely aligned with the CEO.