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Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by pcthrowaway on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @02:48PM (#38281435)
Why would Morgan Freeman be entitled to royalties for a commercial where the voice over sounded similar to his voice... unless he actually sold the rights to represent him with a vocal likeness in the commercial (AKA he didn't do the voice over, but the commercial was able to claim the voice over was by Morgan Freemen, or that it represented Morgan Freeman's opinions... like when a book by a celebrity is actually written by someone else)
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by kevinmchugh on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @03:00PM (#38281613)
You can't use a Tom Waits (or Morgan Freeman) sound-a-like because you're profiting off their work and likeness. Unless the celeb sells a licensed sound-a-like.

https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/when-tom-waits-sued-doritos/

Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by pavon on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @03:13PM (#38281787)
In that case though (and the Bette Milder precedent), the sound-a-like was used with a song that the artist was associated with, which implied that it was the actual artist, or at least deliberately invoked their likeness in mind of the viewer.

I'm skeptical that using a narrator that happened to sound like David Attenborough or Morgan Freeman would be enough by itself to qualify for right of publicity unless it included obvious references to prior work, catch phases, or the like.

Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by notahacker on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @04:56PM (#38283133)
Difficult to find a Morgan Freeman sound-a-like if they're not marketing themselves as a Morgan Freeman sound-a-like. And if they are (and obtaining more customers as a result), it's easier to pay Morgan Freeman royalties than come up with persuasive arguments that selling 'voiceovers that sound like Morgan Freeman' isn't profiting from deliberately invoking his likeness...
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by amelius on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @05:39PM (#38283616)
> Difficult to find a Morgan Freeman sound-a-like if they're not marketing themselves as a Morgan Freeman sound-a-like.

How about this scenario: they publish a youtube video, then someone says in the comments: hey you sound just like morgan freeman, then the company looking for the voice performance googles for morgan freeman, finds the comment and contacts them.

Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by bryanrasmussen on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @05:53PM (#38283718)
So then in court the google for Morgan Freeman and the comment you sound like Morgan Freeman come out and then you owe Morgan Freeman $$$$$$$$$ because he had to go to court over it.
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by notahacker on Thursday November 16, 2023 @08:57AM (#38289549)
Think if I wanted to earn a living as a voiceover artist who happened to sound like a very famous actor I'd rather advertise my USP and pay royalties on the much higher earnings than only pick up business from companies that make hiring decisions based on random chance or YouTube comments ...
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by chankstein38 on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @03:06PM (#38281701)
What if my voice sounded like Tom Waits or Morgan Freeman and I did commercials? It doesn't and I don't I'm just curious how this makes sense. Is it just if the voice is advertised to sound like him?
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by stuckinhell on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @03:10PM (#38281749)
Yes you would owe them money. This why I'm against artists trying to chokehold the AI.
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by pcthrowaway on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @03:21PM (#38281907)
I don't think with the current copyright system you would owe another artist money when recording a commercial just because your voice happens to sound like theirs. But with AI perhaps it's "fair" (given the assumption that there's any fairness to copyright in the first place) to expect a creator to provide some kind of compensation to the source material that their AI was trained on.

Case in point, this bot was clearly trained on David Attenborough samples, perhaps it can't be used commercially without purchasing some rights to the man's likeness.

Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by mywacaday on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @03:37PM (#38282100)
What would happen if a voic was trained on Morgan Freeman, Jack Nicholson, Robert De Niro, George Clooney and tuned to not sound like any one individual but have the characteristics we find appealing. Could that be used for its own copyright claim?
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by twoodfin on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @06:47PM (#38284031)
I believe the answer is almost certainly yes under current law.

Whenever the topic of copying material for model training purposes arises on hn, however, a number of folks seem convinced such use falls under the rubric of “transformative” and will be considered fair use.

Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by yesco on Thursday November 16, 2023 @10:25AM (#38290681)
Do you just believe this or was this tested in court yet? I haven't been following the various lawsuits on this issue closely but I had thought that, so far, they were leaning towards fair use.
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by twoodfin on Thursday November 16, 2023 @08:05PM (#38297934)
I believe it, and I don’t think it’s been significantly tested.

It’s hard to see how mixing (copying!) a bunch of books into a computer algorithm to produce (commercially!) content that might itself easily be incorporated into a book in the same market could possibly be fair use.

Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by stuckinhell on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @03:23PM (#38281938)
Picasso is widely quoted as having said that “good artists borrow, great artists steal.” https://lifehacker.com/an-artist-explains-what-great-artists...
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by lbwtaylor on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @04:47PM (#38283031)
There is a significant difference between "stealing" artistic ideas, and impersonating individual humans.

How folks can think it's reasonable to impersonate Morgan Freeman and use his voice to sell, for example, crypto crap. It's gross and should absolutely be illegal.

Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by cjaybo on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @05:15PM (#38283348)
Well Picasso wasn’t much of a legislator, and I don’t think his point was that all artistic theft is justifiable to begin with.
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by dragonwriter on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @06:27PM (#38283905)
> I don't think with the current copyright system you would owe another artist money when recording a commercial just because your voice happens to sound like theirs

No, its a right of publicity/right of personality issue, not a copyright issue. While that's not a federal law issue in the US, its an issue in some US jurisdictions, and its a national law issue in a number of non-US jurisdictions.

The mistake is thinking “would not owe money under the current copyright regime” means “would not owe money”: there are more laws in the world than just copyright law.

Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by tim333 on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @05:03PM (#38283215)
I guess you wouls have the chance to argue about it in court, if someone came after you.
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by golergka on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @06:21PM (#38283851)
> The agency came back to Frito-Lay with a parody song inspired by Tom Wait’s ‘Step Right Up’, featuring the same Carni hollerings as the Small Change track

If you did straight-up parodies of their songs, yes.

Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by jrockway on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @06:44PM (#38284006)
Sounds like a similar situation to someone named Mike Rowe starting a software company: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_v._MikeRoweSoft
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by kevinmchugh on Thursday November 16, 2023 @08:56AM (#38289541)
Sounding like someone isn't just having the same timbre of voice, it's cadence, accent, diction (both definitions). I'm skeptical how much two unrelated people could just happen to sound alike, especially if one of them is famous for their voice. Compare Larry David's natural speaking voice to how he speaks when impersonating Bernie Sanders. Those are two men from the same time and place and background, and there's still quite a gulf.

Now perhaps you could just happen to sound like a famous actor who isn't well known for their voice, like John krasinski or something, who does voice over ads but isn't super distinct. That would probably be fine but you're still going to have to slog through the world of voice talent auditions

Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by mym1990 on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @03:24PM (#38281943)
What happens if the sound alike is given away for free and there is no profit or even revenue component?
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by ge96 on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @03:48PM (#38282245)
Huh, Salma Hayek was right
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by ASalazarMX on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @04:17PM (#38282633)
If your voice is the twin of a celebrity's, but you don't benefit from the likeness (for example, not being paid for voice acting where your identities could be confused), you'd probably have a strong defense if the celebrity tries to extort royalties from you.

The rest is shades of grey. For example, if you're an incredible voice imitator and plan to do shows, negotiations would be wise. Even Weird Al asked for permission when he didn't had to, legally speaking.

Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by aequitas on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @04:30PM (#38282812)
> Even Weird Al asked for permission when he didn't had to, legally speaking.

But Weird Al does parodies, which is fair use. He's not trying to pass off an album as being a genuine Michael Jackson album or something.

Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by morelisp on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @05:23PM (#38283465)
Why would Weird Al try to pass off his albums as being from the guy who stole his songs?
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by ASalazarMX on Friday November 17, 2023 @03:01PM (#38309196)
Weird Al's latest movie is a mess, but so surreal I keep remembering it months after watching it. It as if the UHF movie carved a niche in my brain for his weird movies.
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by vasco on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @03:04PM (#38281675)
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by airstrike on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @03:15PM (#38281818)
if my product doesn't imply or state that the voice is Morgan Freeman's, I don't think they really have a case? at least not based on common sense
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by justinpombrio on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @03:23PM (#38281931)
If the voice was chosen specifically to sound like Morgan Freeman, for the purpose of making listeners think it's Morgan Freeman when they hear it, it seems reasonable for it to run afoul of Morgan Freeman's right to publicity.
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by airstrike on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @05:10PM (#38283295)
I owe nothing to Morgan Freeman just because I sound like him, unless I'm intentionally misleading listeners by advertising his name or implying as much
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by ewi_ on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @05:43PM (#38283652)
If they can reasonably argue that you're being hired because you sound like Morgan Freeman and you wouldn't get the job otherwise, then they likely have a case.
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by airstrike on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @08:19PM (#38284760)
Not if "sound like Morgan Freeman" is a proxy for "have a nice-sounding voice". They could prefer people who sound like Morgan Freeman even if they are not representing to listeners that the voice is that of Morgan Freeman. Big distinction there.
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by thrwy_918 on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @06:50PM (#38284060)
> I owe nothing to Morgan Freeman just because I sound like him

What if a company chooses you as a voice artist largely on the basis that you sound like Morgan Freeman?

Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by airstrike on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @08:20PM (#38284767)
Is it a case of (a) they like Morgan Freeman's voice as a general preference (and therefore want someone who has a nice-sounding voice such as Morgan Freeman's for features such as how it sounds smart, deep, engaging, I don't know) or (b) they want someone who sound like Morgan Freeman to somehow represent to listeners that it's Morgan Freeman's voice?
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by galangalalgol on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @02:56PM (#38281541)
yeah at least in the US you are fine as long as you don't claim the voice is a certain person.
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by 3np on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @02:56PM (#38281547)
Gathering, retaining, using individual voice recordings for business purposes may be regulated, though. Already is in places, even if enforcement and precedence is lacking.

So there'd be no legal way to produce or share the model generating such a voice or its output.

Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by frereubu on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @02:55PM (#38281529)
I don't get this either, and would be very interested in a clear explanation.
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by bradley13 on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @04:36PM (#38282892)
Tell that to Einstein's family. Put an older guy with a German accent and wild white hair in a commercial, and they want paid.

Honestly, it's offensive that they can "own" a general appearance. But their lawyers manage to enforce it.

Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by avar on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @05:47PM (#38283679)
An easy workaround for this is to dress your German speaker in a Nazi uniform, now suddenly nobody wants to. be associated with them, even if you keep the unkempt white hair.
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by jmvoodoo on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @06:48PM (#38284044)
Now you're being sued for defamation though.
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by tantalor on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @06:57PM (#38284117)
I could understand if the actor was actually marketed as or publicly known a soundalike.

But on the other hand, does "store brand lucky charms" have to pay a kick back to General Mills?

Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by happycube on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @07:28PM (#38284373)
If it's on the shelf right next to the original, it was probably made by General Mills.
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by onionisafruit on Thursday November 16, 2023 @12:16AM (#38286005)
That’s what my mother said. She was wrong.