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Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by chankstein38 on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @03:06PM (#38281701)
What if my voice sounded like Tom Waits or Morgan Freeman and I did commercials? It doesn't and I don't I'm just curious how this makes sense. Is it just if the voice is advertised to sound like him?
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by stuckinhell on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @03:10PM (#38281749)
Yes you would owe them money. This why I'm against artists trying to chokehold the AI.
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by pcthrowaway on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @03:21PM (#38281907)
I don't think with the current copyright system you would owe another artist money when recording a commercial just because your voice happens to sound like theirs. But with AI perhaps it's "fair" (given the assumption that there's any fairness to copyright in the first place) to expect a creator to provide some kind of compensation to the source material that their AI was trained on.

Case in point, this bot was clearly trained on David Attenborough samples, perhaps it can't be used commercially without purchasing some rights to the man's likeness.

Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by mywacaday on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @03:37PM (#38282100)
What would happen if a voic was trained on Morgan Freeman, Jack Nicholson, Robert De Niro, George Clooney and tuned to not sound like any one individual but have the characteristics we find appealing. Could that be used for its own copyright claim?
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by twoodfin on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @06:47PM (#38284031)
I believe the answer is almost certainly yes under current law.

Whenever the topic of copying material for model training purposes arises on hn, however, a number of folks seem convinced such use falls under the rubric of “transformative” and will be considered fair use.

Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by yesco on Thursday November 16, 2023 @10:25AM (#38290681)
Do you just believe this or was this tested in court yet? I haven't been following the various lawsuits on this issue closely but I had thought that, so far, they were leaning towards fair use.
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by twoodfin on Thursday November 16, 2023 @08:05PM (#38297934)
I believe it, and I don’t think it’s been significantly tested.

It’s hard to see how mixing (copying!) a bunch of books into a computer algorithm to produce (commercially!) content that might itself easily be incorporated into a book in the same market could possibly be fair use.

Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by stuckinhell on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @03:23PM (#38281938)
Picasso is widely quoted as having said that “good artists borrow, great artists steal.” https://lifehacker.com/an-artist-explains-what-great-artists...
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by lbwtaylor on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @04:47PM (#38283031)
There is a significant difference between "stealing" artistic ideas, and impersonating individual humans.

How folks can think it's reasonable to impersonate Morgan Freeman and use his voice to sell, for example, crypto crap. It's gross and should absolutely be illegal.

Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by cjaybo on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @05:15PM (#38283348)
Well Picasso wasn’t much of a legislator, and I don’t think his point was that all artistic theft is justifiable to begin with.
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by dragonwriter on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @06:27PM (#38283905)
> I don't think with the current copyright system you would owe another artist money when recording a commercial just because your voice happens to sound like theirs

No, its a right of publicity/right of personality issue, not a copyright issue. While that's not a federal law issue in the US, its an issue in some US jurisdictions, and its a national law issue in a number of non-US jurisdictions.

The mistake is thinking “would not owe money under the current copyright regime” means “would not owe money”: there are more laws in the world than just copyright law.

Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by tim333 on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @05:03PM (#38283215)
I guess you wouls have the chance to argue about it in court, if someone came after you.
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by golergka on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @06:21PM (#38283851)
> The agency came back to Frito-Lay with a parody song inspired by Tom Wait’s ‘Step Right Up’, featuring the same Carni hollerings as the Small Change track

If you did straight-up parodies of their songs, yes.

Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by jrockway on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @06:44PM (#38284006)
Sounds like a similar situation to someone named Mike Rowe starting a software company: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_v._MikeRoweSoft
Re:David Attenborough is now narrating my life by kevinmchugh on Thursday November 16, 2023 @08:56AM (#38289541)
Sounding like someone isn't just having the same timbre of voice, it's cadence, accent, diction (both definitions). I'm skeptical how much two unrelated people could just happen to sound alike, especially if one of them is famous for their voice. Compare Larry David's natural speaking voice to how he speaks when impersonating Bernie Sanders. Those are two men from the same time and place and background, and there's still quite a gulf.

Now perhaps you could just happen to sound like a famous actor who isn't well known for their voice, like John krasinski or something, who does voice over ads but isn't super distinct. That would probably be fine but you're still going to have to slog through the world of voice talent auditions