Transporting several millions of people yearly and cheaply(these people don't pay for extra leg room) is not really rocket science.
Right now it's so expensive because the government is as always disconnected from reality. They are deporting each individual on case by case basis using. air flights. The gov is even allocating one or two officers for each immigrant. Now consider boarding all the illegal immigrants on a big livestock carrier. It may take a while to reach its destination(s) but it will be cheap and surely the immigrants(at least most of them) would not try again the adventure. One big immigration camp in a single trip.
Where have I seen this before? Ah yes, trans-atlantic slave trade.
Because some white men drew them on maps....
Sykes-Picot was a disaster for the middle east.
You dont know anything about slavery today.
Your beloved private sector literally sells slaves to construction companies in Dubai.
The only complains I've heard are that you can't get citizenship. What I like most is that people doing "funny" business are quickly deported. You don't see homeless people or beggers on the streets either.
I wonder, why Europe can't do that? I don't think there would be much push-back against migrants if we would have an efficient deportation system(i.e deport them after visa expiration or when they get involved in criminal activities).
What if they don't have papers? What if their country hasn't registered them? What if they lie about their name and birthdate, so their home country cannot identify them? What if the home country doesn't want them back? People don't go to UAE because life will be worse there.
Your encouragement argument has no base in reality. You live your well informed western perspective. These people have no idea where they are going, what life will be like here in the EU (terrible for many). They take the risk because they have nothing to lose: famine, natural disasters, never ending wars, dictators. They don't do this because they are encouraged somehow, except that they can't stay at home anymore. That is the "encouragement" indeed.
The journey is not "hard". It's insufferably hard. Everything you have will be stolen. You may be kidnapped to do slave labour. You may get raped, killed, or see your mates get killed in front of you. And that is before you step in a small boat with tens of people to cross a sea with no navigation, not enough food or water.
When you enter Italy and see your refugee status rejected, you enter the human void of being "illegal", undocumented. You live by the day, no future lies ahead of you.
If you get accepted, you may have lost seven years living in some kind of open prison, no language lessons, nothing to do all day.
Talk about "encouragement", but this doesn't stop people either. So why would this encouragement argument only work one way? Because the discouragement measures do not work at all.
Not our problem? Not our problem, and not our problem. Keep them detained in the meanwhile.
> These people have no idea where they are going, what life will be like... They take the risk because they have nothing to lose: famine, natural disasters, never ending wars, dictators.
It's an inconsequential act. "Nothing to lose" that they know of. I take it being more of a fad (certainly fueled by propaganda) than anything else
> The journey is not "hard". It's insufferably hard
"Everybody should know that" by now. They can't see that perspective. As I said, it's more of a reckless act than anything else.
And in the best case they'll be an overworked refugee with barely no perspective
> You live your well informed western perspective
Having come from a 3rd world country, let me tell you that the naive views from the 1st world about this abound.
Especially thinking mass immigration like that will solve anything about labour shortages
I think that's how the US justifies it (and I'm certainly not defending the way they do it).
Asylum shouldn't be a "immigrate for free" card. And abusing the system hurts the legitimate claimants more.
Exception, and that got abused often, held in psychiatry in case of imminent risk of self harm and / or harming others.
Update for clarity, My point here is to point out that you cannot technically just "Keep them detained in the meanwhile." without doing monstrous actions at industrial scale.
Keeping people detained is absolutely our problem, even if you disregard their humanity, because it costs a lot of money.
> If you want asylum the least you can do is be honest.
You can be honest and still have not been registered in your home country, or not wanted by your home country… or worse: they do want you, so they can kill you.
> Having come from a 3rd world country
Which one? There's a big gap between South Sudan and Egypt, but both are technically "third world". (Even more pedantically, Ireland, Sweden and Switzerland are also third world, but nobody would use the phrase today to refer to "neither NATO nor Soviet Bloc").
How would you know? And is this a fair comparison?
I've heard that the country relies heavily on South Asian labourers with terrible working conditions, as well as housemaids who are effectively imprisoned by their employers. It's a huge section of the economy. I wouldn't be surprised if the government makes it pretty easy to enter legally, or if a bunch of labourers are flying under the radar without the government caring.
I decided to search for some facts and found the following:
* Immigrants, particularly from India, Bangladesh, and Pakistan, comprise over 90 percent of the country's private workforce [0]
* In 2013, the UAE had the fifth-largest international migrant stock in the world with 7.8 million migrants (out of a total population of 9.2 million) [0]
* About 65,000 unauthorized migrants — including those who entered the country illegally, visa over-stayers, migrants working on tourist visas, and others — currently reside in the UAE, according to official estimates (unofficial estimates run up to 135,000). [0]
* An unknown but likely significant number of migrants lack any identification papers after having “absconded” or abandoned abusive employers who withhold their passports [0]
* More than 10,500 illegal residents were prosecuted in the UAE in 2022, according to authorities.[1]
* In December 2012, the government announced a two-month amnesty program allowing unauthorized migrant workers to regularize their situations or leave the country without punishment.
* In August 2018 the government repeated this amnesty. [3]
* The UAE Government exempts fines for Illegal Foreigners/residents, under these conditions: your Emirates ID or Work Permit has expired, you are Workers who run away from sponsors and violate employment contracts. [4]
[0] https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/labor-migration-unit...
[1] https://www.khaleejtimes.com/life-and-living/visa-and-immigr...
[2] https://sojo.net/articles/how-united-arab-emirates-country-9...
[3] https://www.stalawfirm.com/en/news/view/illegal-immigration-...
[4] https://kemlu.go.id/dubai/en/news/7262/illegal-foreigners-ex...
Do Europeans not realize the sheer number of refugees that Turkey is sheltering in place of them?
It's all it's ever been about, and the UK is not alone in this capitulation.
Because as a result of the events from 1933-1945, everyone has the individual right to claim asylum in Europe. Despite the far-right working hard to abolish that, we won't.
Besides, for countries like Syria there's a deportation ban in place by the European court system.
As an American, can I go vacation in Europe and then toss my documents and claim I'm seeking asylum with a succesful outcome of being granted permanent residency and the ability to work?
On the other hand, it might be technically possible for you to meet one of these country's criteria for "refugee", "displaced person", "asylum seeker", etc. but it is _remarkably_ unlikely.
I suppose it also depends a little on what you want to do. In the UK it takes months to process asylum claims but while you wait we'll put you up in a nice hotel, give you food and spending money. So if you just wanted to visit the UK for an extended period of time, it wouldn't be a bad idea.
> The right to asylum is guaranteed by Article 18 of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights. Article 19 prohibits collective expulsions and protects individuals from being removed, expelled or extradited to a state where there is a serious risk of death penalty, torture or other inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/about-parliament/en/democracy...
Also, you don't need to "toss [your] documents", I'm not sure why you think that's required to initiate an asylum process lol
Someone versed in EU law can chime in, but I imagine that being literally undocumented would only make the process harder (though it would be abundantly clear that you're an American)
No need to toss your documents
Also, they wil check your identity, so using a false name is almost certainly going to be a reason to be denied asylum.
The problem fundamentally is living in a nice place and not really contributing to making the place so nice. Everybody wants this privilege and there is of course the market and the price for having it.
Real answer is the same as with drugs — be the mafia yourself
Plus most dont have papers and can easily claim coming from war place (which many do, but I suspect most are economical migrants). This isnt easy to solve, look what Australia is doing (detaining immigrants in Papua IIRC in bad conditions to scare others).