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Re:Satya Nadella: “I want to use this tactically vs. GOOG/AA... by gxs on Saturday September 16, 2023 @08:41PM (#37540352)
Honestly what jumps out to me reading this is how unclear his communication is, and I don’t mean from the perspective of native/non native English speaker.

It’s hard to understand specifically what he means here, which just may be due to a lack of context, even though I generally get his point.

I think mostly I’m just being a harsh grader here because I expected someone like him to communicate very clearly and concisely.

Re:Satya Nadella: “I want to use this tactically vs. GOOG/AA... by xwowsersx on Saturday September 16, 2023 @08:50PM (#37540394)
This is how most emails at the exec/c-suite level read. Admittedly kind of annoying, but a lingo develops and shorthand is used all over. There have been many in-person conversations with the people included in this email so they have all this built up context and shared language. To you, it sounds cryptic, but the recipients understood exactly what Satya meant here.
Re:Satya Nadella: “I want to use this tactically vs. GOOG/AA... by oblio on Saturday September 16, 2023 @08:55PM (#37540415)
That bothers me a bunch but not less than using "ask" as a replacement for "request" and "learning" for "lesson".
Re:Satya Nadella: “I want to use this tactically vs. GOOG/AA... by xwowsersx on Saturday September 16, 2023 @09:10PM (#37540484)
I am so with you. "Ask" drives me up a wall!
Re:Satya Nadella: “I want to use this tactically vs. GOOG/AA... by xyzelement on Saturday September 16, 2023 @10:14PM (#37540816)
I find that limiting the number of things that drive you up a wall is good.

"I have something to ask of you" is not a novel term for request. And ask is softer than request, giving the other party more opening to decline. I don't hate it.

Re:Satya Nadella: “I want to use this tactically vs. GOOG/AA... by gldnspud on Saturday September 16, 2023 @10:21PM (#37540852)
I think the annoyance is in the use of the word “ask” as a noun. Example: “I have an ask for you” being used instead of “I have a request for you”.
Re:Satya Nadella: “I want to use this tactically vs. GOOG/AA... by xwowsersx on Saturday September 16, 2023 @10:51PM (#37541034)
Yeah we're talking here about "ask" as a noun, as in "what's the ask?"

> I find that limiting the number of things that drive you up a wall is good.

Me too, but if this is really just a way of saying "this shouldn't upset you", you should just say that. As stated, it comes across as condescending.

Re:Satya Nadella: “I want to use this tactically vs. GOOG/AA... by oblio on Sunday September 17, 2023 @05:20AM (#37543094)
"Ask" the pseudo-noun.
Re:Satya Nadella: “I want to use this tactically vs. GOOG/AA... by relesson on Saturday September 16, 2023 @09:59PM (#37540743)
I think the case re: lesson / learning is less clear, because in a “learning” there’s no teacher, you’ve all learned something, whereas lesson implies teacher and taught.

I still hate “learning” as a noun though.

Re:Satya Nadella: “I want to use this tactically vs. GOOG/AA... by pclmulqdq on Saturday September 16, 2023 @10:39PM (#37540951)
A lot of the time, a metaphorical lesson has no teacher, too. "Learning" is imported to the tech scene from India, where "a verb-ing" seems to be able to be the noun form of one instance of the verb (in certain contexts).
Re:Satya Nadella: “I want to use this tactically vs. GOOG/AA... by oblio on Sunday September 17, 2023 @04:13AM (#37542704)
It I fall on my butt due to running on ice, nobody really taught me, yet I still learned a lesson :-)
Re:Satya Nadella: “I want to use this tactically vs. GOOG/AA... by Jyaif on Saturday September 16, 2023 @08:58PM (#37540429)
> This is how most emails at the exec/c-suite level read

I've been reading @TechEmails for years and I've never seen any email as incomprehensible as this one.

Re:Satya Nadella: “I want to use this tactically vs. GOOG/AA... by gxs on Saturday September 16, 2023 @08:59PM (#37540437)
I’m not putting myself anywhere on his level - want to make that clear - but I was specifically referring to clarity.

I work with execs at our company a lot and am often in their email chains - agree on the lingo and shorthand for stuff, but it’s usually clear. You’d be surprised at how candid people are and how much cussing there can be lol. But I was specifically referring to the clarity of the message.

Either way it’s just an opinion and as I said, I think I was just idealizing too much and expected something else.

Re:Satya Nadella: “I want to use this tactically vs. GOOG/AA... by xwowsersx on Saturday September 16, 2023 @09:18PM (#37540521)
Yeah, I got you. I understood you were just expressing shock at how unclear this was and I totally hear you. I was just commenting that this is surprisingly more common than you might think. It could also very well be that Satya is a worse emailer than most. Or it could be that he fired this off while jetsetting or running late to a meeting. Who knows.
Re:Satya Nadella: “I want to use this tactically vs. GOOG/AA... by jstanley on Saturday September 16, 2023 @11:10PM (#37541144)
So, is this common, or is this worse than most?
Re:Satya Nadella: “I want to use this tactically vs. GOOG/AA... by denotational on Sunday September 17, 2023 @09:24AM (#37544820)
I don’t think it’s the lingo/shorthand but rather the fact that some of the sentences don’t parse at all.

It’s possibly to figure out what he meant, but it requires significantly more time than if the sentences were constructed “correctly”.

Missing pronouns are easy to fill in, but consider this sentence:

> But [I] want to use every opportunity to make Cloud Streaming more mainstream the better it is in the long run […]

As soon as I reach “the better it is” I feel a mental jolt because I expect a construction along the lines of “the more <X> the better it is” (apparently this is called a “correlative comparison”); even though I just read the word “more”, it didn’t fit into the expected construction, so I go back over the sentence to see if I misread it.

Re:Satya Nadella: “I want to use this tactically vs. GOOG/AA... by fingerlocks on Sunday September 17, 2023 @12:16PM (#37546648)
“…want to basically use every opportunity to make Cloud Streaming more mainstream. The better it [will be] for us in the long run [and] for all the strategic reasons we talk about”
Re:Satya Nadella: “I want to use this tactically vs. GOOG/AA... by resonious on Saturday September 16, 2023 @09:16PM (#37540513)
I thought the exact same thing. Though I realize for me this might just be that I don't know what he means by "socket" - must be some product jargon that I haven't picked up yet.
Re:Satya Nadella: “I want to use this tactically vs. GOOG/AA... by smolder on Sunday September 17, 2023 @12:39PM (#37546931)
I think it might loosely mean network socket, as in a connection to an end user. But not literal TCP sockets, as users arent 1:1 with those.
Re:Satya Nadella: “I want to use this tactically vs. GOOG/AA... by jldugger on Sunday September 17, 2023 @12:13AM (#37541458)
> I think mostly I’m just being a harsh grader here because I expected someone like him to communicate very clearly and concisely.

"The bear is sticky with honey." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i92Ws7qPTRg

Re:Satya Nadella: “I want to use this tactically vs. GOOG/AA... by wiseowise on Sunday September 17, 2023 @04:05AM (#37542659)
I wonder what contributes to this? I understood what he means from get-go.
Re:Satya Nadella: “I want to use this tactically vs. GOOG/AA... by pas on Sunday September 17, 2023 @05:08AM (#37543027)
i still have no idea what's going on, despite reading the ELI5 thread just up, and learning from a different one that they have a cloud gaming streaming service.
Re:Satya Nadella: “I want to use this tactically vs. GOOG/AA... by mrweasel on Sunday September 17, 2023 @09:11AM (#37544700)
I can't read it. I understand the word individually, but it reads like he's having a hypoglycemic shock via email.

In all fairness, many people absolutely suck at writing emails.

Re:Satya Nadella: “I want to use this tactically vs. GOOG/AA... by denotational on Sunday September 17, 2023 @09:22AM (#37544806)
There are sentences in this email that don’t parse at all; it’s still possible to guess what he probably meant, since humans are highly adept at error recovery for natural languages, but it takes significantly more time.