MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names

Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by EspressoGPT on Thursday August 10, 2023 @02:08PM (#37079648)

> Circa 1998 I was a teenage Linux zealot who would attend LAN parties carrying a Linux box.

Arch, I suppose.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by saalweachter on Thursday August 10, 2023 @02:14PM (#37079721)

Arch wasn't around in 1998.

I'm going to put my money on Slackware.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by kentonv on Thursday August 10, 2023 @02:26PM (#37079886)

I think it was RedHat.

I had tried Debian first but switched to RedHat pretty quickly afterwards.

(Back then, RedHat had nothing to do with "enterprise", it was just the most polished Linux distro around. Ubuntu didn't exist yet.)

(These days FWIW I use boring old Debian, and I'm not a zealot about it. It works for me. Use what works for you, I don't care. I have a separate machine for gaming and it runs Windows. I know Steam works pretty well on Linux these days but Windows is still less hassle for games.)

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by godzillabrennus on Thursday August 10, 2023 @02:41PM (#37080044)

Back when Redhat was the name of the enterprise releases and the open source releases.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by kentonv on Thursday August 10, 2023 @03:12PM (#37080450)

I think there was no separate enterprise release at the time. But could be misremembering.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by chungy on Thursday August 10, 2023 @03:39PM (#37080754)

Red Hat Linux 6.2E was the first "enterprise" release they made. Basically just standard RHL 6.2 but with long-term support. This release can be retroactively thought of as "RHEL 1"; The proper distribution that debuted as Red Hat Enterprise Linux 2 was based on Red Hat Linux 9, with the similar promise of long-term support. Future RHEL releases are carved out of Fedora releases, the spiritual successor to RHL.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by Agingcoder on Thursday August 10, 2023 @03:42PM (#37080785)

No you’re right. If memory serves me well, I used to switch between Slackware 3, redhat 2 and Debian 1.2(?) at about that time. I never liked redhat, enjoyed Slackware but ended up not enjoying the lack of a package manager, so Debian did the trick a few years later. There was a single redhat release. These days, just like you, I use Debian.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by doubleg72 on Thursday August 10, 2023 @09:48PM (#37084146)

I ran Mandrake back then but also toyed with RH and Slackware. Back when all the leets ran enlightenment or fluxbox!

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by Q6T46nT668w6i3m on Thursday August 10, 2023 @02:17PM (#37079750)

I’d bet RedHat 5.2.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by timcambrant on Thursday August 10, 2023 @05:02PM (#37081745)

That was my first. Then Slackware 3.6. Both as cover CD:s of computer magazines because that download was too much to handle on 56k.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by JoelMcCracken on Thursday August 10, 2023 @03:12PM (#37080459)

I used to love slackware, by far the best linux experience. It just worked well.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by HeyLaughingBoy on Thursday August 10, 2023 @03:31PM (#37080662)

Probably. I just remember installing from a dozen+ 3.5" floppies onto my pizzabox '386 and breathing a sigh of relief when it booted.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by mkl on Thursday August 10, 2023 @03:56PM (#37080939)

I think I needed 17 floppies ... and I could only scrounge up about 8, so I assumed it wouldn't need the earlier ones again and reused them for later parts. It worked! I didn't use Slackware much though, as I had no way to connect that machine to the internet, so it was really hard to learn how to do stuff.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by HeyLaughingBoy on Thursday August 10, 2023 @05:35PM (#37082099)

I think I actually still have an "Introduction to Slackware Linux" book.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by saalweachter on Thursday August 10, 2023 @03:31PM (#37080652)

I started with Slackware and was happy with it, but must admit that is entirely because my Linux book from B&N came with Slackware on a CD.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by vmlinuz on Thursday August 10, 2023 @05:38PM (#37082139)

I still do. It still does...

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by JoelMcCracken on Friday August 11, 2023 @12:28PM (#37090558)

I admit, I stopped using linux on desktop approx 2007. Since then, its just been macos and servers.

I've been considering going back to it though, but I know that I need to do it in measured steps.

Care to share any more about your slackware experience?

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by xtracto on Thursday August 10, 2023 @03:58PM (#37080973)

Ooooh that brought me memories. At the time testing (around '98) all the nerdy rage was on testing the different distros such as Caldera, Debian, Corel, Mandrake. I remember at the same time compiling my first kernel in FreeBSD (ordered the CDs from WalnutCreek website! what a time). My parents where not amused that I broke the home PC several times installing this thing over Windows

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by g105b on Thursday August 10, 2023 @02:10PM (#37079675)

if it were arch you'd know already

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by gerdesj on Thursday August 10, 2023 @04:00PM (#37081003)

Sorry, how remiss of me! On behalf of Archoles everywhere: "I use Arch actually" (and so does my wife).

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by code_runner on Thursday August 10, 2023 @02:09PM (#37079666)

love this story very much. I had no idea WINE had been around for that long and was able to play starcraft etc. I have really great memories of playing starcraft with friends back in the day.... that game had enough staying power that we could all get into and out of in middle school and then again in college!

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by cogman10 on Thursday August 10, 2023 @02:38PM (#37080009)

Wine is nearly as old as linux. First released in 1993.

I had some awkward conversations with my parents as a teenage nerd looking into "winehq". They didn't believe me that it had nothing to do with alcohol.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by FirmwareBurner on Thursday August 10, 2023 @03:40PM (#37080761)

Your parent being concerned about you browsing something about wine? You're definitely not be French/European.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by cogman10 on Thursday August 10, 2023 @03:49PM (#37080862)

mormon family.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by FirmwareBurner on Thursday August 10, 2023 @03:51PM (#37080892)

Thanks, Mormons are some of the most nicest and chill Americans I've met in Europe. No idea alcohol is taboo.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by astrange on Thursday August 10, 2023 @05:37PM (#37082124)

They're also good at getting security clearances since they never do anything, so those might've been CIA agents.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by FirmwareBurner on Thursday August 10, 2023 @05:43PM (#37082180)

>They're also good at getting security clearances since they never do anything

I never understood why you should mass deny security clearances to people who like to "party".

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by TazeTSchnitzel on Thursday August 10, 2023 @06:06PM (#37082382)

They don't want people who might have done something embarrassing in their past, because foreign adversaries might try to blackmail them with that.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by stouset on Friday August 11, 2023 @02:11AM (#37085629)

On the flip side, those are the exact people who often wouldn’t be embarrassed or ashamed of that kind of behavior. I’ve done a lot of things, and I’d openly admit just about all of it if anyone asked.

On the other hand if you do find a Mormon who took some liberties in an earlier time in their life…

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by astrange on Friday August 11, 2023 @02:07PM (#37091854)

As well as admitting everything, it's easier to get a government job if you never did drugs, seeing as they're illegal.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by boffinAudio on Friday August 11, 2023 @04:59AM (#37086574)

They're good at being CIA agents because they are supple and compliant and the CIA has tools to make that compliance into nationalistic zealotry that rivals the capabilities of most religions, having refined it through operations such as paperclip, etc..

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by astrange on Friday August 11, 2023 @02:06PM (#37091823)

They were already nationalistic, that's another part of being Mormons.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by saghm on Thursday August 10, 2023 @05:08PM (#37081824)

Even today, Blizzard games tend to run pretty easily on Wine. I always attributed it to them using a fairly old tech stack, but maybe it's the reverse and Wine development has just continued to go above and beyond for those games.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by kcb on Thursday August 10, 2023 @05:26PM (#37082005)

I know WoW is aware that's it's running in Wine. There are some setting greyed out in game with a message of not compatible when running in Wine.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by neurocline on Friday August 11, 2023 @01:59AM (#37085561)

It was mostly on purpose, that Blizzard games worked well in Wine. We even fixed a few things in our code from time to time that accidentally made Wine emulation hard.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by mananaysiempre on Friday August 11, 2023 @12:20PM (#37090469)

For me a more interesting way of putting it is that Wine is nearly as old as Windows NT whose usermode architecture it’s copying—first shipped 1993 as well! Even if development began around 1989 that and preliminary versions of various kinds were available from about 1991.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by DoesntMatter22 on Thursday August 10, 2023 @02:15PM (#37079729)

It's still being played heavily and professionally in Korea and there are many non Korean tournaments too.

I watch pro matches everyday!

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by RainaRelanah on Thursday August 10, 2023 @03:26PM (#37080613)

> heavily

Sadly not the case, as much as I love ASL the scene has zero new blood. SC2 really killed the Brood War scene, and League of Legends really killed SC2. The days of packing an aircraft hanger with 30,000+ fans for OSL finals are long gone.

I was invited to the Stormgate alpha, and while I can't say anything about it (NDA), I am hopeful it will bring new life into RTS esports.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by DoesntMatter22 on Thursday August 10, 2023 @04:33PM (#37081386)

It's still heavily played. There are tons of show matches and ASL which is good. There are newer players like Scan, and we had a couple new guys last season.

Is it in it's heyday? No. Is it still fantastic? Yeah.

KESPA killed Brood War primarily because Blizzard forced them to. Then KESPA itself died.

Lots of great BW still being played no question about that

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by vitaflo on Thursday August 10, 2023 @05:34PM (#37082096)

IvOry just qualified for ASL. That’s definitely new blood.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by qsdf38100 on Thursday August 10, 2023 @06:24PM (#37082517)

Ah, good times. Lim yo han!! (Aka slayers boxers ? Right ?). As a Terran player, I was in such awe. And then came Flash (lee young ho), the GOAT. I watched every one of his games. StarCraft 2 never came close to the accidental perfection that SC1 is.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by madrox on Thursday August 10, 2023 @03:01PM (#37080323)

This brings back memories. Every LAN group had that one friend like you. I'm sure you made up for it if, like my BSD friend, you were handy with network troubleshooting and always brought spare CAT-5.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by kentonv on Thursday August 10, 2023 @03:17PM (#37080506)

Well eventually I just... provided all the machines... and the house... https://kentonshouse.com

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by Mxrtxn on Thursday August 10, 2023 @03:37PM (#37080727)

This is really cool! Did you build a similar house?

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by kentonv on Thursday August 10, 2023 @03:47PM (#37080831)

Not similar, I built that house. (I'm Kenton.)

Or do you mean the new one, alluded to on the site? It's almost done... not ready to share yet. ;)

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by rexreed on Thursday August 10, 2023 @05:58PM (#37082307)

Great site - I am reading all your posts about the LAN party house now. Do you have the real estate listing of the house when it was up for sale? I'm just curious as to where it was located - you mentioned a sliver of land, and I saw the asking price ($2M in Palo Alto) so I'm curious to see what it looked like from the outside and its location, if you don't mind sharing!

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by kentonv on Friday August 11, 2023 @10:20AM (#37088978)

Hmmmm even though it's not mine anymore, posting the address doesn't feel right... seems like it'd be violating the privacy of the new owners of the house. Yes, even though I did post the address publicly when selling it -- that listing is gone now so arguably privacy has been regained. (Or if not, maybe you can find it, heh.)

Sorry about that.

There are a few more pictures of the house on the architect's (my father's) web site: https://vardaarchitecture.com/

Look under "Residential - Palo Alto". But note that the furniture in these pictures was staging furniture that the real estate agents put in there to sell the house, NOT stuff I ever chose or used! (I hate it.)

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by rexreed on Friday August 11, 2023 @03:44PM (#37093085)

Thanks! Your father's site and his work is amazing, including your house! And yes, I did end up finding the address and listing through a basic search, but your Dad's site actually has more and better pictures ;)

When you build your new Austin LAN-party-pad would love to see that.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by telotortium on Friday August 11, 2023 @04:54PM (#37093889)

@kentonv, if you see this, it looks like your father's website is potentially broken on mobile. See https://photos.app.goo.gl/3tcui1CXypZC3PfE9 - the photo is a tiny thumbnail on the right hand side. If I switch to desktop mode, it's bigger, but still pretty small. Probably due to the left sidebar being a fixed size and always on the left. I'm using a Pixel 2, but with the latest Android and Chrome version.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by kentonv on Friday August 11, 2023 @05:17PM (#37094148)

Yeah, I know. He's not a computer person, but somehow he managed to set up this web site without any help from me, which is kind of a miracle. Obviously the tech isn't great though. He doesn't actually need it to get clients or anything, he's retired, so whatever.

Maybe I'll help him put together a better site after the new house is done and ready to go on it...

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by knh1 on Friday August 11, 2023 @05:24PM (#37094231)

Can I come over when it's finished? Please?

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by deagle50 on Thursday August 10, 2023 @05:04PM (#37081778)

You're a gentleman and a scholar.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by en3r0 on Thursday August 10, 2023 @08:43PM (#37083677)

No way! The Internet is a small place. I remember seeing your original post and feeling very inspired to do something similar. One of these days I will find some time.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by cheerioty on Thursday August 10, 2023 @03:23PM (#37080567)

CAT-5, lucky you :) We still got zapped!

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by Phrodo_00 on Thursday August 10, 2023 @05:47PM (#37082210)

Was that over IPX? I don't think I ever configured IPX on Linux. By the time I was using enough Linux to run Starcraft on Wine, it already supported IP.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by AndrewKemendo on Thursday August 10, 2023 @07:30PM (#37083077)

Classic! My favorite “anyone can do it hack” was ping flooding people during a lan-party

Good old memories

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by KETpXDDzR on Thursday August 10, 2023 @10:58PM (#37084624)

Oh good old Windows nuker.

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Re:MS Teams channels cannot contain MS-DOS device names by 4m1rk on Saturday August 12, 2023 @02:50AM (#37097697)

Golden era. We were different or the world around us?

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