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Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by justapassenger on Friday July 28, 2023 @03:58PM (#36912456)
It’s super funny to see people framing that as Threads failing.

They totally may fail. But even after that initial drop (which is expected, for something that managed to get so much hype) they’re likely still the biggest app in the history in terms of DAU in few weeks after the launch.

And if there’s one thing Meta knows how to do is to copy successful idea and slowly grind the growth till it dominates market.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by TechBro8615 on Friday July 28, 2023 @04:16PM (#36912688)
First of all, I doubt the premise of this entirely, e.g. Pokémon Go almost certainly had higher DAU weeks after it launched (and it was growing rather than shrinking).

But secondly, I'm skeptical that it's even fair to talk about Threads stats using the same measurements as any "new" app, since it's really an extension of Instagram. You don't make a new account for Threads, you just use your Instagram account. They are one in the same, the only difference being which app you use to access which features. It's most closely analogous to Facebook and the Messenger app - do you count the users of each of those separately?

(It's also funny how I get a noticeable amount of seemingly emotional downvotes to any comment critical of Threads or supportive of Twitter/Musk - you are giving away the plot.)

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by jyxent on Friday July 28, 2023 @04:24PM (#36912793)
Pokemon Go had a similar peak and decline after initial launch: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37176782
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by charcircuit on Friday July 28, 2023 @04:26PM (#36912823)
>You don't make a new account for Threads, you just use your Instagram account.

If I implement Google oauth into my app, it doesn't make my app an extention of Google. It just reduces the friction of people making a new account for my app.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by lxgr on Friday July 28, 2023 @04:51PM (#36913136)
Google login does not give you a social graph.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by gpm on Friday July 28, 2023 @05:00PM (#36913261)
Does instagram give you the right social graph for a twitter replacement though? It seems to me that you want to follow pretty different kinds of people on different forms of social media.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by lxgr on Friday July 28, 2023 @05:11PM (#36913380)
It sure beats having to bootstrap one, would be my hunch.

Even just having a few people automatically followed can make a difference, even if most people diverge quickly after joining.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by justusthane on Friday July 28, 2023 @05:48PM (#36913818)
Hmm, not for me. I’m a pretty casual IG user, but I am following 500+ accounts, all of which I enjoy. My first experience with Threads (despite importing my IG profile) was a feed full of accounts I had never heard of before, and almost nothing from the accounts I follow. Granted, that’s probably because the accounts I follow weren’t posting Threads yet, but but even now things haven’t changed much in that regard.

Additionally, 90+% of my Threads feed is photos, so, like, what’s the point?

I’ve opened it a couple of times and scrolled for maybe 30 seconds and lost interest.

I’m sure if I put a little effort into it I could find more interesting accounts to follow, but at least in my experience the “bootstrapping” hasn’t really worked.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by monetus on Friday July 28, 2023 @06:04PM (#36913969)
> I’m sure if I put a little effort into it I could find more interesting accounts to follow

Plenty of good developer-focused content now, and they implemented a following-only feed. Worth having, for me so far.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by tosrn on Friday July 28, 2023 @06:30PM (#36914249)
Curious about this: any developers focused account you’d recommend?
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by markdown on Friday July 28, 2023 @06:11PM (#36914050)
Yes, this was a massive miss-step IMO, and will be their unthreading.

I and half the people I know on Twitter are not owners of Instagram accounts. It's absurd to require Insta to login to Threads.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by user_named on Friday July 28, 2023 @07:03PM (#36914556)
If you think like this you're engineerbrained and don't live in the real world.

The account linking was a quick fix, the app was released early, and the accounts will not be forcibly linked later on. You won't need an Instagram account to sign up to Threads. But still, if you don't have one, just sign up to Instagram as you would Threads, and you already have your account made.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by markdown on Friday July 28, 2023 @07:11PM (#36914637)
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Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by user_named on Friday July 28, 2023 @07:24PM (#36914752)
You already know that Threads and Instagram accounts are linked, that you need an Instagram account and then login to Threads with that.

So what you claim to be a problem isn't a problem because you and every other prospective user knows how to create a Threads account.

Porting over the Instagram graph to Threads is literally how they created the network effect that made it the fastest growing app ever.

Engineerbrained.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by barneygale on Friday July 28, 2023 @10:56PM (#36916378)
If a structural engineer points out that a bridge is unsafe, you don't call them "engineerbrained" and gesture at all the motorists still using the bridge. Why do we accept this bollocks in software engineering? Meta are not trustworthy and it's reasonable to want nothing to do with them.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by waterhouse on Friday July 28, 2023 @11:57PM (#36916740)
> Meta are not trustworthy and it's reasonable to want nothing to do with them.

I agree, but will that prevent the majority of the public from signing up? A bridge will collapse regardless of what the motorists think, but people being ignorant of Meta's misdeeds does mean that Meta's untrustworthiness won't—can't—factor into their decision regarding signups. Maybe Meta will make the news again with another scummy decision, and maybe that'll drive users away—but how many? I suspect it's a small fraction.

'Course, one might be able to make the argument about "the most important N% of users who create most of the content", who are also unusually savvy... I don't know empirical details here.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by user_named on Saturday July 29, 2023 @12:04AM (#36916781)
I should have said developerbrained. Most developers do not think like engineers. They nitpick specific implementation details because they personally prefer one of the thousands of other ways it could have been implemented. And they fail to understand why this one was chosen, as well as the bigger picture of the project, and then imply that whoever worked on it is an idiot.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by wwtrv on Saturday July 29, 2023 @03:09AM (#36917699)
> Meta are not trustworthy and it's reasonable to want nothing to do with them.

Perhaps but the login thing seems totally tangential to this..

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by madeofpalk on Friday July 28, 2023 @07:24PM (#36914755)
> I'm skeptical that it's even fair to talk about Threads stats using the same measurements as any "new" app, since it's really an extension of Instagram.

Well, you could compared it to Instagram's previous Threads app, which no one used https://techcrunch.com/2021/11/17/instagram-will-shut-down-i...

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by andrewstuart on Friday July 28, 2023 @04:19PM (#36912722)
Absolutely this is failure.

Twitter/threads is (or should be) a highly viral application.

New users should find themselves compelled to use the product and compelled to encourage others to use it.

With a 100 million user head start, if they were succeeding this shoukd have immediately resulted in the viral loop being triggered into explosive growth.

It’s a huge failure.

Not necessarily unrecoverable, but absolutely a gargantuan fail.

100,000,000 signups should ignite your viral engine and blast into orbit. Enough functionality to be viral was the MV part of “Minimum Viable” for Threads.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by sanderjd on Friday July 28, 2023 @04:35PM (#36912953)
I honestly think this is a very silly take. I don't think any of this is how any of this works.

Threads attracted two kinds of people: 1. People coming mostly from instagram / tiktok who had never considered using Twitter because it had an established reputation and they knew it wasn't the kind of product for them, and 2. People switching from Twitter because they love Twitter-the-idea but can no longer stand Twitter-the-actual-product-today.

Most of people from group #1 tried it and concluded that yep, it wasn't for them. There is zero surprising about that, and it's where the giant initial numbers came from. But if any of those people stuck around, that's pure bonus.

The more interesting question is what's going on with group #2. Certainly lots of them decided there were too many missing features at launch and kept using Twitter mostly. But that is not a "they'll never check back", those people are still in play for any of Twitter to keep or its competitors to win eventually. But the current DAUs wouldn't be where they are if a significant portion of this group hadn't decided to actually stick around. And that's pretty surprising.

For years the conventional wisdom has been that you can't actually convert users from one social network to another in the exact same niche. You can cut off growth - like instagram adding stories corresponding to Snapchat's growth plateau - but people stay where their existing networks are.

But not this time!

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by somethoughts on Friday July 28, 2023 @05:02PM (#36913275)
I think a key strategic weapon that Meta has that no other social media will be able to match is its existing userbase on FB and Insta (i.e. basically all of the 7B+ human population). This can indefinitely be tapped as an audience for Thread content creators and advertisers.

Whereas most social media apps have the cold start problem (the stars need to align such that creators and users show up at the exact same time), Zuckerberg has solved it for Meta.

Threads doesn't need to be a hit on day 1 or even 100 because it has the existing Meta user base that counted on to consume Thread content (whether they like it or not).

For example, I have a FB account but am too lazy/old to sign up for Instagram but I did/do see a lot of Instagram reels that are converted into FB reels - particularly as Instagram reels was starting to take off. I am sure when it is monetizing those views for content creators and advertisers the converted reels get counted.

So while the power Instagram/Thread creaters will likely only push/consume the content in the corresponding app, Meta has the unique platform level ability to push the content to users of all 3 apps (i.e. FB/Insta/Threads).

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by ipaddr on Friday July 28, 2023 @06:44PM (#36914378)
That second group includes people who post to both and most fall into this group. To someone selling a product this is just another market. To others now is the time to get followers.

What percentage have left twitter for threads? Unknown.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by sanderjd on Saturday July 29, 2023 @07:17AM (#36919084)
Yes absolutely.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by peter422 on Friday July 28, 2023 @04:33PM (#36912914)
By this logic Twitter should also be growing, as it’s even better than threads in terms of content.

Yet not only is Twitter not growing but it’s shrinking.

I think your expectations for success in this vertical are off.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by andrewstuart on Friday July 28, 2023 @04:38PM (#36912972)
Google says “Twitter has approximately 450 million monthly active users as of 2022”.

I’d say that’s probably broadly the number of potential Twitter users.

If you think user growth should be exponential to all people in the planet, then that is false.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by phpisthebest on Friday July 28, 2023 @04:44PM (#36913049)
in my world of twitter/x I see no signs of shrinking...
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by monetus on Friday July 28, 2023 @06:18PM (#36914120)
I clicked through from the sibling link to Elon's profile, and only see posts from last April and older? The reach of the site is.. not reaching. It is pulling back.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by dahfizz on Friday July 28, 2023 @05:59PM (#36913937)
> Yet not only is Twitter not growing but it’s shrinking.

Source? Musk just tweeted about a new all-time monthly user record. It's not impossible that he would lie, but my impression is not at all that Twitter is shrinking.

There's a whole lot of discussion about Twitter shrinking and high profile people leaving, but they don't. Stephen king comes to mind as a big critic that threatened over and over to leave, but he hasn't.

[1] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1684978651857596429

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by dragonwriter on Friday July 28, 2023 @06:12PM (#36914057)
> Musk just tweeted about a new all-time monthly user record. It's not impossible that he would lie

On the rare occasion he makes non-trivial, falsifiable claims, its pretty common that they turn out to be other-than-accurate, yes.

> but my impression is not at all that Twitter is shrinking.

My impression is that the set of advertisers (not regular Blue users, though they are a different kind of advertiser paying for reach) are narrowing and moving downmarket in a way which would take truly enormous numbers of Blue users to compensate for.

Whether its shrinking or not is somewhat beside the point.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by dahfizz on Friday July 28, 2023 @06:19PM (#36914132)
It wouldn't surprise me if Twitter revenue is down. It also wouldn't surprise me if Twitter revenue is up. Unfortunately, with it being private I don't think we'll ever know.

> Whether its shrinking or not is somewhat beside the point.

In a thread entirely about Twitter/threads user count, whether it's shrinking is the entire point.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by threeseed on Friday July 28, 2023 @06:30PM (#36914252)
> new all-time monthly user record

I have been using Twitter almost since the beginning.

Never have I ever seen this many bots and fake accounts on the platform.

So I would be highly dubious of that user record count.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by solardev on Saturday July 29, 2023 @12:11AM (#36916820)
Well, this is Twitter after all. Probably the average LLM posts higher quality stuff than the average user there.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by rpgbr on Friday July 28, 2023 @06:20PM (#36914139)
Half a billion users? Is Elon counting everyone who sees an embed tweet as a user?
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by LordAtlas on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:01AM (#36939282)
You realise he tweeted a line graph without an X-axis?
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by justapassenger on Friday July 28, 2023 @04:29PM (#36912851)
Got it. Unless they had everyone on earth signed up by now, it’s a huge failure.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by andrewstuart on Friday July 28, 2023 @04:31PM (#36912883)
Facebook had to contain the growth.

People were battering down the door for access.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by justapassenger on Friday July 28, 2023 @04:35PM (#36912945)
Can you remind me how they got 100M users in the first week?

You seriously compare growth at the planet scale with a growth at few universities?

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by mise_en_place on Friday July 28, 2023 @04:50PM (#36913129)
It’s a failure but I think it leads to a better outcome, both for threads and Twitter. Even if it’s #2, that will put pressure on Twitter to improve and vice versa.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by yafbum on Friday July 28, 2023 @05:05PM (#36913309)
It's dumb to pass this kind of judgement so quickly. Nobody should expect massive habit changes from one day to the next. All that a viral product needs is some foothold to grow from, and by that measure threads still has a fantastic foothold.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by csallen on Friday July 28, 2023 @05:11PM (#36913375)
It's common startup knowledge at this point that a splashy launch will always lead to subsequent declines in usage, because huge numbers of non-ideal users are attracted by the initial press event.

The viral growth you're talking about pretty much never occurs after a huge launch event like this, and is reserved for more methodical releases and/or lower initial starting user counts, e.g. Instagram testing Stories, Facebook growing from college to college.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by Dirak on Friday July 28, 2023 @05:32PM (#36913658)
Building products and slowly grinding away at improving DAU is Meta's bread and butter. This has been the case with IG Stories vs Snap, now IG Reels vs Tiktok (IG Reels rev set to exceed tiktok as early as 2024 https://www.mbi-deepdives.com/meta2q23/). Meta is setting up the exact same playbook for Threads, and given their track record, I wouldn't bet against them.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by paganel on Friday July 28, 2023 @05:51PM (#36913844)
People in here are emotionally invested in seeing Musk fail, no amount of reasoning can make them see the forrest from the trees.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by FullyFunctional on Friday July 28, 2023 @06:41PM (#36914350)
Oh no no, in my reading of the sentiments they emotionally invested in seeing both the whole xthreads things crash and burn. I’m buying popcorn.

For all it’s faults I quite enjoying pre-musky Twitter but I completely abandoned the shitshow even before the insane rename. I was an early FB user but left that many years ago around the time of the CA scandal.

Mastrodon is too quirky and challenging to go mainstream which is why I think it will remain great and I’m loving it there.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by aleph_minus_one on Friday July 28, 2023 @09:52PM (#36915971)
> People in here are emotionally invested in seeing Musk fail, no amount of reasoning can make them see the forrest from the trees.

The same statement holds for Mark Zuckerberg. ;-) (EDIT: and perhaps also Steve Huffman)

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by baby on Saturday July 29, 2023 @12:39AM (#36917001)
I think one datapoint that people are missing is celebrities on instagram creating threads account and carrying their followers. For example this thread by mr beast: https://www.threads.net/@mrbeast/post/Cucz2pARLyA/?igshid=MT... (10k replies and 60k likes)
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by sdsd on Friday July 28, 2023 @04:14PM (#36912661)
I mean, their main product started out as a cooler MySpace. So I think you're right, this is their core competency
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by gundmc on Friday July 28, 2023 @04:46PM (#36913077)
There seems to be a desire to watch Meta fail, and that's reflected in the media coverage around Threads. This is broadly true of many large tech companies, but particularly Meta/Facebook.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by lancesells on Friday July 28, 2023 @05:14PM (#36913420)
Well yeah. The honeymoon is over and we've seen how morally bankrupt these companies are. Twitter has someone who posted child abuse images (as a warning or something) but doesn't ban them because they create engagement. Meta bought a VPN company and paid people (I think in some cases kids/teens) to use it so they can slurp up their entire internet browsing. Amazon has people pissing into water bottles so the founder can ride a giant dick into space.

These are awful companies (not all awful employees) with awful leadership.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by andsoitis on Friday July 28, 2023 @06:21PM (#36914154)
> Twitter has someone who posted child abuse images

Can you say more on this?

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by ducharmdev on Friday July 28, 2023 @08:04PM (#36915110)
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by solardev on Saturday July 29, 2023 @12:03AM (#36916769)
What a pointless manufactured controversy. It's like every other tweet is worthless garbage like that... social ragebait
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by fsckboy on Friday July 28, 2023 @06:22PM (#36914163)
> There seems to be a desire to watch Meta fail

around here the only desire that exceeded the desire to watch Meta fail was the desire to see Threads kill Twitter first on its way down

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by raincole on Saturday July 29, 2023 @01:44AM (#36917297)
The media coverage around Twitter is mostly "people like to see Elon fail" too.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by antisthenes on Friday July 28, 2023 @04:52PM (#36913155)
> And if there’s one thing Meta knows how to do is to copy successful idea and slowly grind the growth till it dominates market.

How many years/decades of grinding growth will it take to get back to the initial DAU numbers?

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by jjav on Friday July 28, 2023 @05:42PM (#36913745)
> still the biggest app in the history in terms of DAU in few weeks

It's not very reasonable to consider it a new app when it's in many ways just a shell on top of instagram.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by potatototoo99 on Friday July 28, 2023 @06:11PM (#36914043)
What is one thing Meta succeeded in copying and beat the original?
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by justapassenger on Friday July 28, 2023 @06:42PM (#36914369)
2 most recent - stories basically destroyed Snaps growth potential and Reels are on track to overshadow TikTok.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by cubefox on Saturday July 29, 2023 @04:46PM (#36924380)
I don't see Reels being anywhere close to that. YouTube Shorts seems to be a more successful TikTok copy.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by crazygringo on Friday July 28, 2023 @06:16PM (#36914094)
Well, MySpace for starters.

Facebook Marketplace seems to have totally replaced Craiglist as well, where I live, for buying/selling. Facebook Messenger took over e.g. MSN for a lot of people, the News Feed replaced a dedicated news site for a lot of people, and so forth. Events replaced Evite I think (or similar?), FB Photos basically replaced Flickr back in the day...

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by mkl on Friday July 28, 2023 @06:16PM (#36914095)
MySpace? Most of the other pre-Facebook social media sites too. It's not about being an exact copy, but sharing enough features that it can subsume those roles.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by madeofpalk on Friday July 28, 2023 @07:25PM (#36914768)
The all time classic would be Instagram copying Stories from Snapchat.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by lmm on Friday July 28, 2023 @11:37PM (#36916615)
Snapchat. Only schoolkids use it these days.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by solardev on Saturday July 29, 2023 @12:12AM (#36916827)
Marketplace? I miss when Craigslist used to be popular :(
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by baby on Saturday July 29, 2023 @06:32AM (#36918774)
Snapchat

(I’d say that twitter killed clubhouse also)

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by TX81Z on Friday July 28, 2023 @09:59PM (#36916028)
Yea, this is a truly impressive launch. If even 25% of people who logged in just to see the new shiny thing stuck around and became a DAU that’s utterly remarkable. This framing is absurdist.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by randomdata on Saturday July 29, 2023 @12:51AM (#36917067)
It would be remarkable for a lot of businesses, but given that it’s just a new Instagram feature, double digit million users long term would be an abject failure for Meta. Other new-ish Instagram features like Stories and Reels now have DAUs into the billions. Still time to right the ship, of course.

Also, keep in mind this is Threads “2.0”. Threads was first launched in 2019[1]. As such, it may even be a stretch to call it new. They have taken several years to test the market and iterate on that earlier MVP to finally find a fit that found up to ~100 million users. Not exactly an overnight success.

[1] https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/26/20833903/facebook-instagr...

Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by baby on Saturday July 29, 2023 @06:33AM (#36918780)
Na it’s a separate app
Re:Mark Zuckerberg: Threads users down by more than a half by infamouscow on Sunday July 30, 2023 @12:27AM (#36927802)
What evidence would it take to convince you Threads is a failure?