I'm not sure why everyone is taking potshots at a company for trying something crazy with willing passengers.
Everyone involved knew what they were getting into.
Kudos to them for trying, even if they're dead.
> See: the fact that they lost their diving vehicle.
That's an awful lot of keyboard engineering, given nobody knows what happened yet.
Unless I'm mistaken, the subject article starts with the words "Submarine missing". The fact that the whole thing was jury rigged and double checked by nobody with certifications is enough to start pointing fingers at the engineers.
This isn't the company's first trip either. They've taken multiple trips down and have almost lost the submarine multiple times. This time they actually managed to lose it for good.
The reason people are mad at the company is because their negligence killed 4 people for no good reason.
If a Coast Guard ship heads out of St. John's or a Navy aircraft/ship/submarine transits to the area, they burn fuel but already existed with all their trained personnel.
So most of the cost is moving things into position. Expensive, but the asset probably would have been moving somewhere anyway.
And seafarers have a strong code of ethics about helping other seafarers.
As long as they aren't brown.
Real world scenarios which don't involve any enemy combatants are invaluable to keep everyone at peak readiness
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/oceangate-...
He's representing a company that took safety shortcuts because government regulations slow innovation, but is also complaining that the government isn't helping them quickly enough in this search.
He thanks the governments, but says they need to move faster. As an adviser, he should be telling this company to have a better emergency plan.
Assuming it sunk, it'll be order of week before it's found. It'll be order of month before it's raised, if it can be. And then after analysis we might know why it sunk.
+60 hours after lost contact, while there are possibly still people alive inside the vehicle, seems premature and crass to be casting accusations for internet points.
It reportedly has radar reflectors and radio, for when it's on the surface.
At 3800 m+ underwater, it'd need to be a powerful beacon. Even most military sonar maxes out around half that.
You can buy one for a few hundred bucks, but based on everything I've read about this outfit so far, I'd be surprised if they even had that.
Additionally, if the problem was a power outage then the radio also might not work unless it had a separate power supply.
Emergency beacons cost a few hundred dollars and are designed for this purpose, not having one is pure negligence.
If they're on the bottom of the ocean then even if they're found a rescue is unlikely to happen in time.
In these situations you don’t do everything you can because it will change the outcome. You do everything you can so that someday soon you’ll be able to look at yourself in the mirror while you brush your teeth. So you can sleep at night.
I haven’t been in this bad of a situation, but I’ve been in plenty where people second guessed themselves or someone else for years even decades after. Everyone has to get to “enough” on their own terms or it festers.
So we are letting a bunch of people figure it out. If a miracle happens, awesome. But unless they’re all trance meditating down there and have Wim Hoff hypothermia training it’s not good.
Did they? I might have missed that part.
Unless, of course, if those signing the waivers were mislead.
What percent should it have said? 10%? 5%? 30%? 90%?
Anything other than "We've tried to make it safe, but there's a lot higher than 0% chance of death" would seem a lie.
People die climbing Everest regularly, and I don't see anyone claims the climbing industry is under-disclosing.
Because these are inherently lethal activities, that a reasonable participant engages in despite knowing the risks.
One can as far as say they indulge in it for the 'kick' this sort of risk brings. The ordinary is boring for most of these people. They don't want to have fun the same some one making $90K/yr does.
It doesn't mean that the regulator provided by the dive center is McGivered with duct tape and chewing gum. Which seems like the equivalent of the construction and the components quality of that vessel.
So they go scuba diving, the wife's mask breaks down, he comes up, she panics she doesn't. She died by drowning. He was totally broken, the wife knew the risks and he knew it too. Nevertheless he wanted her to try because he thought it was fun. He lived with the trauma for years. Probably now as well.
People don't know how bad these things can get. This sort of fun, is definitely not worth anyones life. Just go sight seeing, and have Sundae at Ghirardelli. There are many safe ways of having fun, that don't involve death as a risk factor.
This just seems insane.
While losing a mask or having it break down is very inconvenient that's exactly one of the scenarios you train for.
Even when doing the Open Water certification one of the skills you must do to get certified is to remove your mask, put it on again and remove the water from it.
> This sort of fun, is definitely not worth anyones life.
I agree. And that's the exact reason why you train for extraordinary situations and get certified.
Scuba diving is a safe sport as long you adhere to the rules and your personal limitations.
But since this trategy apparently happened in LA that's just unfathomable.
Every place I have ever been to wants to see my certification before allowing me to rent gear, I guess for insurance and legal liability purposes.
Did they?
“we wouldn’t charge you $250,000 if we weren’t serious.”
Not necessarily. For extreme sports like skydiving, bungee jumping, hang-gliding scuba and the like customers still expect a high level of adherence to safety and quality products and certifications exist. Would you want to parachute off an uncertified plane with an un-licensed pilot and inexperienced jumper?
A kid jumps from a cliff and dies. Thought it could fly (by some quirk of nature perhaps). Turns out, not true. Died on impact. Kudos for trying? Hardly. It's a bad idea. No matter if the outcome is not a total disaster by sheer luck.
A better comparison might be climbing mount everest in the 80s.
I'm sure everyone involved was expert on industrial design and were clued into what exact costs were cut /s
... which you are taking paying passengers with
Its not what tou did, its how you did it.
See: the fact that they lost their diving vehicle.