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Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google?

I find Google amazing for some kinds of queries, such as directly answering simple factual questions or finding content within a defined domain.

However, for a lot of things it's quite bad. If I want to find a good website for some use-case (as opposed to directly finding information inside a page), or if I want anything where there might be a commercial interest in ~~lying~~ advertising to me, Google is truly awful.

It's also, obviously, very bad for privacy.

Surely there are a bunch of interesting new search engines popping up given the recent deep learning explosion? What interesting alternatives have you discovered?

( 47 comments | 6 points | on HN )
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by cowpig on Thursday June 15, 2023 @05:44PM (#36346975)
I think this is kind of an interesting project, though I suspect it's as bad or worse than google for privacy:

www.perplexity.ai

Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by helph67 on Thursday June 15, 2023 @05:26PM (#36346714)
There are plenty of search engines that don't spy on you, here's a few... https://duckduckgo.com/ https://www.ecosia.org/ https://www.qwant.com/ https://www.startpage.com/
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by shortcake27 on Thursday June 15, 2023 @06:20PM (#36347449)
I can only speak to DDG but the quality of results are worse than Google. I still use it anyway as privacy outweighs accuracy for most of my searches.
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by Beached on Friday June 16, 2023 @12:07AM (#36351091)
interesting, I find results to much better than Google. I haven't used Google in about 2 years now, and I find myself appalled when I borrow someone's laptop to do a search online
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by jesterson on Friday June 16, 2023 @02:33AM (#36352330)
> There are plenty of search engines that don't spy on you

That's a very bold (and erroneous) statement when you put DDG in the list

Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by barbazoo on Thursday June 15, 2023 @04:51PM (#36346355)
I switched over to https://kagi.com a while ago and never use Google search anymore.
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by privacyking on Thursday June 15, 2023 @06:17PM (#36347421)
Didn't they have some controversy recently where they screwed over their initial users?
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by raybb on Thursday June 15, 2023 @06:35PM (#36347669)
Yes the changed pricing but then grandfathered people in later so didn't end up screwing people over.
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by barbazoo on Thursday June 15, 2023 @06:26PM (#36347527)
I didn't care much about that, seemed reasonable what they did.
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by tsuujin on Thursday June 15, 2023 @07:08PM (#36348104)
I’m an initial user, and I don’t feel screwed over fwiw.

I always knew that the site was going to come with a cost, and that’s why I’m using kagi; I would rather that cost be money than invasive advertising ruining my search results.

I feel like they have been very transparent about pricing and their justifications.

Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by snielson on Thursday June 15, 2023 @10:27PM (#36350267)
Kagi is great. I've had to find some obscure things recently and it was fantastic. No ads, no irrelevant garbage designed to make money for the search engine. Instead my interests and that of kagi are aligned - find the best search result - and it is great.
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by carlosjobim on Thursday June 15, 2023 @10:43PM (#36350411)
For years I would at times try different search engines when fed up with Google. Such as Duck Duck Go, Bing and others. They were always much worse than Google.

Kagi's search results are much better than anything else you can find right now. It was easy to just forget about Google.

Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by levidos on Thursday June 15, 2023 @11:01PM (#36350582)
Odd, I'm paying for Kagi but still find Google better
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by Kop on Thursday June 15, 2023 @05:47PM (#36347033)
Have you looked at Startpage?

https://www.startpage.com

Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by gs17 on Thursday June 15, 2023 @11:09PM (#36350647)
If the complaint is about Google's results, Startpage isn't going to help much.
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by mattnewport on Thursday June 15, 2023 @05:53PM (#36347129)
I've been paying for kagi for a while now and am pretty happy with it. Switched from DuckDuckGo.
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by xarvatium on Thursday June 15, 2023 @06:05PM (#36347285)
Been using Brave Search since it was public, it's improved a lot since. I also really like Duckduckgo and I use it on mobile, but Brave Search indexes their own sites rather than being a meta search engine, like how ddg uses Bing results. Nothing wrong with meta search engines though, I just personally prefer the way Brave does it.
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by ChatGTP on Thursday June 15, 2023 @06:59PM (#36347977)
I like DuckDuckGo but it seems so slow lately , maybe it’s my location but it’s punishing.
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by senko on Thursday June 15, 2023 @06:31PM (#36347610)
Kagi user here, very happy with them so far. I honestly use maybe a third of their features (lens and boost/block are great ones that I'm too lazy/forgetful to use).

They also recently announced search AI (I think powered by Anthropic over their index) and API, which, as a developer, I also find useful.

Finally, the vision and priorities they communicate are something I agree with.

All this makes it a nobrainer to pay for their service.

Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by sureglymop on Thursday June 15, 2023 @06:47PM (#36347820)
SearxNG. Happy user of an instance someone is hosting near me that is fast and reliable.
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by newoldhead on Thursday June 15, 2023 @08:05PM (#36348928)
100%. Private, no tracking, can index all the major search engines. You can even host your own relatively easily. This is the way.
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by jacooper on Thursday June 15, 2023 @06:59PM (#36347972)
IMO brave is the best alternative search engine but it definitely show its limit with niche queries.
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by NunoSempere on Thursday June 15, 2023 @07:16PM (#36348242)
I like Whoogle (https://github.com/benbusby/whoogle-search), e.g., https://s.tokhmi.xyz/, and Searx (https://github.com/searx/searx), e.g., https://searx.space/

I've also programmed https://metaforecast.org, which aggregates over prediction platforms (Polymarket, Metaculus, Manifold Markets, etc.)

Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by jerhewet on Thursday June 15, 2023 @07:25PM (#36348386)
webcrawler.com

Going on four years now. Reminds me of how Google used to be, 15 years ago.

Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by ForestCritter on Saturday June 17, 2023 @10:50AM (#36370676)
wow, just tried this, been researching herbalism, holistic medicine and homestead style farming and this engine is to the point! This stuff has been systematically disapearing from other searches. Thank you
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by dsir on Thursday June 15, 2023 @07:29PM (#36348434)
I've been using DuckDuckGo as my main search engine however I do find myself adding the "!g" bang a lot. It's hard to escape the google grasp.
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by michalf6 on Thursday June 15, 2023 @07:31PM (#36348470)
Yandex is pretty useful as a last resort for things banned elsewhere

also: https://search.marginalia.nu/

Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by algas on Thursday June 15, 2023 @09:08PM (#36349520)
I really liked marginalia when I first used it (when it was released) but it seems to have a little more cruft now. Not sure if that's other peoples experience too?
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by gaws on Monday June 19, 2023 @07:17PM (#36397644)
Yandex is useful for reverse image searching.
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by ranger207 on Thursday June 15, 2023 @08:59PM (#36349439)
I use DuckDuckGo, and contrary to other comments here I find the results far better than Google on the very rare occasions I have to use it
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by atraac on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:32AM (#36352814)
I've tried using DDG multiple times in the past and I've always disliked the results. But recently I gave it another go and I use it as my main driver now. I'd love for it to have a bit more tooling cause stuff like calculator or currency exchange is quirky and won't always show up but I'm really happy about the results, especially at work. Haven't had a need for Google in few months. It even finally correctly showing results local to me, relevant new political news etc. I noticed a big difference between now and last time I tried it(year or two ago).
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by mkbkn on Thursday June 15, 2023 @09:49PM (#36349921)
I am surprised no one has mentioned Ecosia yet.

I am a not a developer, so my use case is different but Ecosia.org returns good results almost all the time. Of not, I would use StartPage.

Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by dotcoma on Thursday June 15, 2023 @10:04PM (#36350052)
Brave, DuckDuckGo, Kagi, Mojeek (UK), Qwant (France)
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by narrator on Thursday June 15, 2023 @10:05PM (#36350066)
Yandex is the least censored. IMHO, it works like Google did in the 2000s. Yeah Russia bad, blah blah.
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by ForestCritter on Saturday June 17, 2023 @10:42AM (#36370594)
I was using yandex fr the lack of censorship but have found some health and holistic things are no longer coming up since very recently. I've started using mojeek as an alternative since I am studying as an herbalist and need to get sites other than healthline and webmd.
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by narrator on Saturday June 17, 2023 @04:05PM (#36374038)
Thanks for the tip. I usually search for "ivermectin" to see how biased a search engine is and mojeek did pretty well.
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by downboots on Thursday June 15, 2023 @11:44PM (#36350899)
Is there a reliable offline alternative to search?
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by methou on Friday June 16, 2023 @01:06AM (#36351581)
Kagi's great, when it did not get good result, neither did google.

Only that you have to keep a mental counter on the usage.

Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by carlosjobim on Friday June 16, 2023 @01:29AM (#36351790)
You don't need to do that. A search only costs a couple of cents after using all your supply.
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by SemioticStandrd on Friday June 16, 2023 @02:32AM (#36352316)
I was using Kagi, and while I paid for them for a good while, I switched to DDG because I just can’t afford to subscribe to so many things. It’s money well spent and I agree with and support their philosophy, but man, all these monthly things add up.
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by trelliscoded on Friday June 16, 2023 @02:40AM (#36352394)
you.com, drops you directly into a LLM response to your question, with search results on the right side.
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by stringtoint on Friday June 16, 2023 @02:57AM (#36352527)
I've been increasingly using Ecosia for a while. They use Bing under the hood.
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by ColinHayhurst on Friday June 16, 2023 @04:53AM (#36353499)
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by odieldomanie on Friday June 16, 2023 @06:17AM (#36354191)
Kagi is pretty good, but as someone living in a 3rd world country, it is too expensive. They say 300 queries/month is enough for almost everyone, but I've almost reached that amount in just a few days. And few cents per query adds up when I do multiple searches per topic, times ten for currency weakness.

AI search engines like perplexity.ai are too slow, and I end up clicking the referenced links anyway.

Once my Kagi credits are used up, I'll go back to DDG, which has better results than google in my experience. Though reddit being gone makes it hard to tell rn.

Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by ForestCritter on Saturday June 17, 2023 @10:36AM (#36370534)
Give mojeek a try. It is keyword based, not query based ( they explain on their home page) and it works very nicely and there is no cost.
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by krascovict on Saturday June 17, 2023 @03:25PM (#36373646)
Yes, Yacy https://yacy.net - P2P search
Re:Ask HN: Best search engine alternatives to Google? by fidla on Saturday June 17, 2023 @03:54PM (#36373929)
Perplexity AI