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Re:Reddit's Recently Announced API Changes, and the future o... by geraldwhen on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @04:38PM (#36233205)
Product owners don’t care about accessibility. They care about time to market for 99.999% of your users, or for many products 100% of the users. The products I build are not accessible. Designers work hard to ensure they’re not or quite hard to make accessible at best. Modals on modals on modals with important content changing all over the place!
Re:Reddit's Recently Announced API Changes, and the future o... by kshahkshah on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @05:13PM (#36233675)
Is it on a "product owner" to care about accessibility? Or engineers to build things properly? If this was any other engineering field - civil, mechanical, electrical, there would be standards which we seem to lack / fail to enforce
Re:Reddit's Recently Announced API Changes, and the future o... by willcipriano on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @05:37PM (#36233938)
If the product owner directs work at a ticket level and never assigns it to anyone, it's their fault it isn't there. If the engineers have more autonomy than I've seen at a company are were able to decide what to work on, then sure blame the engineers.
Re:Reddit's Recently Announced API Changes, and the future o... by hiatus on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @05:32PM (#36233860)
> there would be standards which we seem to lack / fail to enforce

This is by design. Software developers are hardly "engineers". They build what the business wants, quickly, and worry about the "properly" after product-market fit is found (or so they're told). This dynamic would be upended if software engineering were licensed.

Re:Reddit's Recently Announced API Changes, and the future o... by geraldwhen on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @05:58PM (#36234208)
I can’t even convince design not to make the text grey on grey. It’s not just “disabled” users who are suffering this nonsense.

I get paid the same not to fight. More even, because I’m a team player.

Re:Reddit's Recently Announced API Changes, and the future o... by jhugo on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @10:13PM (#36236317)
The way this gets fixed in an org isn't by engineers winning fights with designers.

It's by someone at a higher level deciding that they care about accessibility (or that they care about not getting sued), and introducing constraints which their designers and engineers must work within, and making compliance with the constraints part of the QA process.

Re:Reddit's Recently Announced API Changes, and the future o... by 8note on Thursday June 08, 2023 @03:03AM (#36238275)
The way it gets fixed across organizations is government regulation
Re:Reddit's Recently Announced API Changes, and the future o... by ghaff on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @08:26PM (#36235531)
Relatively few engineers in the US are licensed. It's fairly common with civil engineering because at least moderately senior engineers are signing off on drawings for regulators. But mechanical/chemical/etc. engineers are not in general licensed overall--maybe 10-20% are the numbers I've seen.

And that's not even counting all the jobs like sales engineer, mud engineer (oil business), etc. that are really more engineering-adjacent jobs.

When I took the engineer in training exam--never had a reason to follow through on a PE, it basically required things like a four-year engineering degree, working under someone for some number of years, passing the PE exam, and presumably signing code of ethics, etc. For certain jobs, it is pretty much a requirement past some level but mostly doesn't matter a lot.

Re:Reddit's Recently Announced API Changes, and the future o... by oblio on Thursday June 08, 2023 @12:50AM (#36237349)
> worry about the "properly" after product-market fit is found (or so they're told).

Thankfully for Reddit they found the product market fit 10 years ago.

They're just a bad software company.

Re:Reddit's Recently Announced API Changes, and the future o... by xigoi on Thursday June 08, 2023 @04:58AM (#36239028)
This is why I found it hilarious when people say they prefer proprietary software because a commercial company will produce better code than volunteer individuals.
Re:Reddit's Recently Announced API Changes, and the future o... by marssaxman on Thursday June 08, 2023 @12:55PM (#36245013)
Train drivers are also called engineers, and much software development can be seen as engineering in this general sense.
Re:Reddit's Recently Announced API Changes, and the future o... by cachvico on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @09:39PM (#36236098)
It's on product, because it's an ask from the customer (and requires planning into the roadmap - it doesn't come for free).
Re:Reddit's Recently Announced API Changes, and the future o... by m4rtink on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @05:32PM (#36233859)
Wasnt there some push in the US to make websites acessible or face some very hight fines ? I do remember something like that.
Re:Reddit's Recently Announced API Changes, and the future o... by lesuorac on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @05:39PM (#36233970)
It matters a lot when you have a Gov. contract of some sort.

Reddit doesn't sell to the USG or any US schools or etc.

Re:Reddit's Recently Announced API Changes, and the future o... by m4rtink on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @09:15PM (#36235922)
Interesting, so that is the difference. Thanks! :)
Re:Reddit's Recently Announced API Changes, and the future o... by User23 on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @06:32PM (#36234587)
Fortunately the ADA[1] means that you can easily reach their real customer support AKA legal department.

[1] https://www.boia.org/blog/the-robles-v.-dominos-settlement-a...