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Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by gioo on Monday May 29, 2023 @09:55AM (#36114004)
Really a shame, especially for torrent users. The other good alternatives are double the monthly price at 10$/month in the case of IVPN (if you want port forwarding that is) and ProtonVPN. Unless you want to commit for a year or two and pay all in advance, which is meh but the discount may be worth it.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by anaganisk on Monday May 29, 2023 @10:14AM (#36114205)
Why would this affect torrenting, isn't this only for explicitly added port forwards? Or am I missing something?
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by armada651 on Monday May 29, 2023 @10:19AM (#36114253)
It wouldn't be very helpful in preventing abuse if you could still forward ports through UPnP.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by switch007 on Monday May 29, 2023 @10:18AM (#36114243)
Torrenting requires an open port accessible from peers for good speeds
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by reisse on Monday May 29, 2023 @10:57AM (#36114618)
For torrenting at least one of the peers has to be accessible for outside world, either by having white IP, by using NAT with port forwarding, or by using IPv6-to-IPv4 shenanigans. If both peers are behind NAT, they cannot download data from each other.

If you're an active seeder, it makes sense to configure your machine so that it is accessible for all the peers, including ones behind NAT. If you're just a leecher though, it makes little difference.

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by SparkyMcUnicorn on Monday May 29, 2023 @12:14PM (#36115305)
It will affect leeching torrents that don't have a ton of seeders. No forwarding could render a torrent unusable that would otherwise download just fine if you had an open port.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by toxik on Monday May 29, 2023 @02:19PM (#36116481)
My experience resonates with this, if you have a torrent that isn't coming home, make sure you're actually reachable.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by colinsane on Monday May 29, 2023 @05:53PM (#36118554)
is this an issue only for magnet/DHT transfers? or does it apply to torrents that have an associated tracker too? i would have expected in the latter case that two NAT’d clients could connect to the tracker, and then the tracker could help them hole-punch a direct peer-to-peer connection.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by the8472 on Monday May 29, 2023 @06:07PM (#36118683)
Try to extrapolate. If nobody has an open port to which a connection can be established, how will the network work?

Trackers don't enable hole-punching, existing peer connections do[0]. And hole-punching is hardly a reliable measure to base your network on, if NAT or connection-tracking is implemented in an address-/port-dependent manner[1] then hole-punching becomes more complicated or fails, especially for TCP.

[0] http://bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0055.html [1] https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4787.html#page-6

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by reisse on Monday May 29, 2023 @07:01PM (#36119127)
It does apply to all torrents. As far as I know, by default torrent trackers provide no facilities for hole punching.

However, if you have a tracker in a sense of "community of people dedicated to file sharing", there will be guides on how to do a proper setup even behind carrier-grade NAT. For example, one of the trackers I know suggested using Teredo (IPv6-to-IPv4) tunneling to do the hole punching.

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by anacrolix on Monday May 29, 2023 @07:36PM (#36119394)
Trackers aren't used for this, but a mutually accessible peer can be used for hole punching.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by anacrolix on Monday May 29, 2023 @07:35PM (#36119387)
This isn't completely correct. At least one peer in the entire swarm needs to be accessible. Holepunching (BEP 55) can assist in the rest (albeit it's not ideal).
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by WeylandYutani on Monday May 29, 2023 @10:45AM (#36114505)
It would be better to look into a dedicated seedbox for torrents.

The companies offering those have experience dealing with copyright cartels.

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by that_guy_iain on Monday May 29, 2023 @10:56AM (#36114606)
I wouldn't even go all the way to a dedicated seedbox. I'm using a shared one, gets the job done and only costs $12 a month.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by sph on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @06:44AM (#36123304)
Still more expensive than the 5 euro/month I was spending for Mullvad
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by byyll on Monday May 29, 2023 @01:44PM (#36116163)
Mullvad isn't stopping port forwarding because of copyright issues. It's because you can use their IPs to host highly illegal websites and they can't connect your account to the content and suspend it.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by colinsane on Monday May 29, 2023 @05:59PM (#36118611)
can you elaborate? how could someone outside Mullvad claim that Mullvad is passing illegal traffic, but Mullvad itself can’t figure out who in their network is passing that traffic?
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by djbusby on Monday May 29, 2023 @07:29PM (#36119346)
Mullvad has known exit IP addresses. Mullvad doesn't have shit for logging so they cannot link clients to traffic.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by that_guy_iain on Monday May 29, 2023 @10:54AM (#36114577)
Why not use a seedbox? Download torrent to the seedbox and then ftp home. This way you get the upload from a server which if you're on a private tracker (which you should be) you'll get good upload speeds, easy to hit the default seed requirements, and you'll get full download speed when you want to use it locally.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by nocoiner on Monday May 29, 2023 @10:58AM (#36114634)
I recognize this is probably similar to asking about how to get into fight club, but any tips on how to find a private tracker? I assume it involves becoming part of a community, but I don’t even know where to start looking for the communities!
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by xnyanta on Monday May 29, 2023 @11:38AM (#36114970)
Browse the /ptg/ (private tracker general) thread on 4chan's /g/ board
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by that_guy_iain on Monday May 29, 2023 @11:04AM (#36114678)
Been so long since I've even been in the community that I don't know any of the smaller forums but check out https://filesharingtalk.com/content/. Get known for being active and if there is still an IRC pop by there. The key once you're past the standard ones like TL, is to not be that hungry for invites, the less hungry you are the more places you get to. Maybe check out https://thepiratesociety.org/ which used to be a solid community 10 years ago but I dunno how it is nowadays.

Or you can just buy one. https://www.ebay.com/itm/143939358334 for example is $2 and is the private (semi public - all the benefits of private but easy to get). It's the one I use. Buying invites can lead to getting banned but if you're just chilling out on TL then you'll be fine.

A tip for private trackers. Only download new things and freeleech until you build up a buffer (You've uploaded more than you've downloaded)

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by gioo on Monday May 29, 2023 @12:33PM (#36115463)
Buying an invite for TL is not a smart idea, they have regular open signups. You put all your accounts at risk for little gain.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by that_guy_iain on Monday May 29, 2023 @02:42PM (#36116664)
This is why I gave the cavet that it's only worth doing if you're just going to use TL. If you're not into the whole tracker ladder thing then buying TL is kinda a safe bet, it's semi public. TL just care about money, I wouldn't be shocked to find out that TL has been sold a few times.

Previously, when I was really into torrenting I climbed the ladder really well, I was in the forum sections where staff would share the details of banned users. They mostly cared about cheaters, unless it was a small site trying to be exclusive. I knew people who would go to tracker staff and out people for trading and selling and nothing would happen.

But overall if you want to get into the torrent community buying and trading isn't worth it. But if you just want a single solid torrent site and are willing to pay TL is the one to do it with.

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by katbyte on Monday May 29, 2023 @09:32PM (#36120211)
whats is the best way to get access to the better sites? i've been on IPT for years with great ratio but no idea where to even begin to look for getting into top tier ones
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by that_guy_iain on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @03:33AM (#36122114)
The advice gioo gave about going to RED and going through the interviews is a solid way to get started in that community.

IPT is solid from my memory so there won't be many that are better as a general torrent site. But for niche obivously there are tons.

But since you're already in a torrent community, Check out the IPT forums back in my day they had recruitment threads in the forums. Hang out on their chat and be friendly, don't ask for invites just be friendly after a while people will start offering invites especially if you say you aren't there yet.

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by gioo on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @08:56AM (#36124299)
IPT is a fine tracker but because of their scummy behaviour [1] you are very unlikely to climb the tracker ladder from there. You can try following that_guy_iain's advice under for sure, but if you feel stuck go for RED 100% (regardless of your feelings about collecting music).

Remember that user invites carry the risk that if someone in your invite tree breaks a golden rule (trading/selling invites) you will be banned too. Always prefer official recruitement.

[1] https://postimg.cc/hJMd5TJF

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by e12e on Monday May 29, 2023 @08:49PM (#36119938)
> Or you can just buy one.

There's currently a promotion running:

https://www.torrentleech.org/user/account/promoreg

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by that_guy_iain on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @04:21AM (#36122400)
Personally, I would suggest this. Use the seedbox for the first month downloading new freeleech torrents and build up a few TB buffer and use it worry free for years.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by dtx1 on Monday May 29, 2023 @11:11AM (#36114743)
If you had a way to contact you on your profile, things might be arranged
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by cbsks on Monday May 29, 2023 @11:18AM (#36114806)
I am also interested…
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by that_guy_iain on Monday May 29, 2023 @11:49AM (#36115067)
Check your inbox.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by defamed on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @07:27PM (#36132564)
I am curious as well. Apologies for the lateness.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by przems on Monday May 29, 2023 @11:55AM (#36115118)
I am extremely interested too, could you help me out?
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by ewenjo on Monday May 29, 2023 @04:10PM (#36117565)
Interested if still available :)
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by 6ak74rfy on Monday May 29, 2023 @05:15PM (#36118182)
I am highly interested in getting started in this - please reach out!
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by defamed on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @07:26PM (#36132553)
Sorry to bother you so late but I am interested as well!
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by cute_boi on Thursday June 01, 2023 @12:16AM (#36147508)
i am also interested :)
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by gioo on Monday May 29, 2023 @12:33PM (#36115455)
The common advice is to start out on RED (Redacted) by doing the interview, and climbing the pyramid from there. Use official recruitement to join other trackers, and with some patience you'll eventually have everything you need.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by Roark66 on Monday May 29, 2023 @12:40PM (#36115513)
Can I ask, what do people download via those private trackers? I never had problems finding anything I wanted using public tpb proxies etc.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by fruitreunion1 on Monday May 29, 2023 @12:49PM (#36115600)
Well, depending on your tastes some stuff can be hard to find especially if you want lossless copies. Other nice features are the user collages, comments, and great organisation which are pros over something similar like Soulseek.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by theshrike79 on Monday May 29, 2023 @01:24PM (#36115969)
Reliable source for movies and TV-Shows - even rare ones.

And zero chance of being picked up by copyright watchdogs who download the whole swarm's IP addresses and send legal notices to each one fishing for ISPs that will give their user's data without a warrant.

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by symlinkk on Monday May 29, 2023 @02:51PM (#36116731)
“Zero chance” is bullshit, they could easily join a private tracker and look for IPs, they just don’t currently because private trackers are not widely known.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by theshrike79 on Monday May 29, 2023 @03:14PM (#36116986)
Close (enough) to zero then.

Most good private trackers have an invite system, you can't just join one on a whim and get access.

Their process is profitable enough just by scanning the well known ones so they don't need to bother with trying to get access to private trackers.

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by akiselev on Monday May 29, 2023 @03:48PM (#36117348)
They’re widely known enough to have their own wikipedia page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BitTorrent_sit...

One site on that list, for example, TorrentLeech.org has been around for almost 18 years and has hundreds of thousands of active users. In fifteen years I’ve never had an issue.

There are also foreign language trackers that are largely immune like rutracker.org - you just have to make sure to download the English versions

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by suddenclarity on Monday May 29, 2023 @06:27PM (#36118839)
Is TL really the same site it used to be? I have a vague memory of losing my account and the site shutting down 10+ years ago. When they came back, they offered open sign-up now and then. Made me avoid it.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by katbyte on Monday May 29, 2023 @09:24PM (#36120160)
last they had open signups checked it out and i didn't find it to be anything special or give me a reason to move away from IPT (which is from what i understand mid tier?)

so of course i didn't use it enough and was banned for inactivity

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by that_guy_iain on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @05:20AM (#36122779)
Well my account has been active for 15 years. I've never had any period where I can remember that it wasn't working.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by miki123211 on Monday May 29, 2023 @04:41PM (#36117873)
It's actually harder than it sounds. To scrape IPs from a public tracker, all you need to do is to download the torrent, pretend to the tracker that you want to join the swarm (without actually sharing any content) and you get a nice list. On a private tracker, all your activity is linked to an account and the tracker knows how much you upload / download. If you are a copyright owner, actually seeding content is probably a terrible idea for legal reasons, and you'll quickly run afoul of ratio requirements and get banned if you do not do so. Besides, if users report which torrents they're getting copyright complaints on, it won't be hard for staff to figure out which account tried downloading all of those and has 0 upload activity on them.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by mindslight on Monday May 29, 2023 @11:15PM (#36120748)
Copyright trolls not being able to upload chunks seems like a myth along the lines of "if you ask a cop if they're a cop, they have to say yes". It's easy enough to create a separate legal entity that doesn't have any rights to distribute a work, and then sign an indemnification agreement for any copyright violation that happens in the course of investigation. And if you wanted to be real paranoid, mod the client to never transmit say 20% of chunks, so even if some court finds that participating in a swarm at the behest of a copyright holder is constructive distribution, that last 20% is still actionable.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by Dylan16807 on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @12:24AM (#36121112)
Both of those sound like the kind of shenanigans a judge wouldn't look kindly on.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by miki123211 on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @08:46PM (#36146394)
Even if this is true, there are several difficulties with this approach, you'd need to figure out a way to refuse clients from countries where you have exclusivity deals and aren't allowed to distribute, which would quickly be noticed. Besides, if the problem got big enough, tracker staff could require users to seed a few different torrents from different studios before having their accounts fully unlocked, and studios would never seed others' copyrighted content. Sure, you could defeat that with studios having contract between each other and so on, but that's yet another difficult problem for them to solve.

The risk and effort is probably not worth the reward, considering how many public tracker users are there.

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by mindslight on Thursday June 01, 2023 @10:31AM (#36151548)
You seem to be thinking that movie studios can only operate as singular entities and in system-legible ways.

What I'm imagining: someone who is mildly connected to execs at various studios/labels starting a company that participates in private trackers, and then passes information about infringement/infringers onto studios. They would only need one or two studios as clients to prove the concept and (informally) prove the idea to the rest of the industry. Their agreement with client studios includes an agreement that they won't be sued for infringement that occurs in the process of finding (other) infringers, doesn't include any license to works, and certainly doesn't include the ability to sublicense!

Sure it's possible that when this eventually goes to court, a chain of "activist" judges might go against the status quo of a company taking steps to protect its "property" - discard corporate veils, call the investigator's uploading an implicit sublicense, etc. It's just not likely, and the failure mode still would be individual licenses for the specific downloaders that were in the swarm at the time, not blanket rights to redistribute indefinitely.

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by that_guy_iain on Monday May 29, 2023 @02:38PM (#36116637)
For me, it's generally the same as private trackers but a few differences. Very little - almost zero chance of viruses in the apps. The speeds are way faster, this is very noticable on older stuff. There is no bait and switch.

For niche stuff you can even find the super hard to find. Want to find the tv version of episode 12 of season 3 of Flashpoint, there is a site where that is possible.

Some have communities which are super useful if you're into those. But if you just want to download and get good speeds, a general tracker like TorrentLeech is pretty much all you need.

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by serf on Monday May 29, 2023 @03:33PM (#36117160)
in the case of What.CD there was a community of music makers that released exclusively or very close to the tracker community.

One of the great losses from the shutdown of that site was the destruction of that creative community.

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by npteljes on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @09:41AM (#36124780)
Private trackers moderate torrents, and peers can use this to their benefit. Formats and naming are more standardized, software has less chance of malware.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by mindslight on Monday May 29, 2023 @10:52PM (#36120645)
What really bugs me about these popular private trackers' interview processes is they too discriminate against VPNs. Like I know they think they have some private community of completely trustworthy angels, but I'm still not going to stick my non-anonymized neck out.

So then what, find public Wifi somewhere to do their "interview" from, that they'll pass for a non-shared IP address? And then hang around there all day until your turn for the interview comes up? That's the conclusion I came to last time I looked at Red's requirements years ago.

Also I just assume the interview processes have gotten much more competitive and inhuman like everything these days due to popularity. I got my Oink account by joining the IRC channel, and just asking nicely in a way that demonstrated a modicum of technical knowledge and reasonableness.

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by fruitreunion1 on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @01:31AM (#36121435)
The interviews are not too difficult if you know your digital audio well and can memorize/look up a few facts. The hard part is waiting in the queue...

I'm not sure if they will allow public wifi either if it doesn't look like a residential IP. It's unfortunate... I too wish many trackers didn't do this. Totally worth it for me though. I'll just hope future me doesn't have to suffer the consequences :)

They can probably build quite a specific profile based on my searches and snatchlists, lol. There's no privacy in private trackers for the user.

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by gioo on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @05:38AM (#36122897)
It's all by design, invite selling/trading is a big problem in the tracker world and tracker staff often force people to use their home IP to register for this reason. By having your home IP they can easily ban all your accounts if you are caught breaking some golden rule.

The interview process is not bad, it's just particularly slow in the case of RED. Especially frustating for europeans because most volunteers are in an american timezone and so interviews often happen in the middle of the night (in Europe). OPS has faster interviews but you want to join RED if you want to climb the tracker ladder, so passing through OPS basically just adds some delay.

Anyway, if you value your anonymity this much, maybe private trackers aren't for you.

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by that_guy_iain on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @07:03AM (#36123415)
> invite selling/trading is a big problem in the tracker world and tracker staff often force people to use their home IP to register for this reason.

It really isn't that much of a problem. Hell even ratio cheats aren't actually a problem. If you have a ratio based torrent site fundamentally someone has to have negative ratio for the site to function. Ratio cheats basically add download to others because they download. I'm of the opinion a lot of tracker staff are just nerds who power trip. And honestly, from my experience it's largely true. Simply, torrent sites have gotten away with power tripping and creating this image that people who buy and trade torrent accounts are a problem when you can literally talk you way up the chain within 6-12 months. It's really not that hard if someone wanted to infriate them, just say you're willing to code for them and boom you got yourself a staff position with access to the database and servers. Do that well, you'll get yourself a few more, you'll get friendly with staff at other trackers they'll invite you. Literally, it would be the easiest uncover role within the cyber world. And there probably aren't that many that are easier overall.

> Anyway, if you value your anonymity this much, maybe private trackers aren't for you.

This is sure a valid point. Your data 100% is not save with private trackers. Nothing is safe with then. They act all high and mighty but holy shit will they share you data like no ones business and publically out you, steal money from the "server fund" (personally I never had a problem with it but it was always drama ScT's exit was funny), etc.

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by gioo on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @08:04AM (#36123802)
It's not really a problem because they don't want people joining the tracker in general. It's about accountability, exclusivity and the quality of the user base. Invites being for sale means any random person could join, hindering the exclusivity and likely the quality of the userbase (a good user is already in other trackers and could join with other means). And of course, it also means that the user who bought the invite is more likely to break the golden rules because them getting tree banned is of no concern to them.

From the staff's POV it is very much a problem and some trackers are famous to drop the hammer at the slightest violation of the golden rules.

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by that_guy_iain on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @08:56AM (#36124300)
> a good user is already in other trackers and could join with other means

Actually, these users are generally deadbeat users. They're good at providing upload and buffering accounts but that is it. They don't make your community any better, they're spread out over multiple communities.

For example, back in the day I was on UK-T, SCC, ScT, FSC, FTN, BTN, HDBit, etc. I didn't really download much from any of them specifically. I created buffers and what not and kept my accounts alive. Like FTN I never used, for me it was actually not that good. But when I started out I just had LeechersLair, I was very active in the community, very active with comments, very active downloading and seeding because it was only account. So the good users for these sites are actually people who end up on my accidentally, aren't active in the generaly torrent scene and aren't looking for anything else. They'll make the forums better by being active there with unique content, they'll make the chat unique instead of conversations that carry on over from other chats (Been there done that), they'll file requests, etc. They'll be more active. The people who are all over the place are often deadbeats in terms of community value, if that makes sense.

> some trackers are famous to drop the hammer at the slightest violation of the golden rules.

So true, I once rejected from a so-called high level tracker FTWR (follow the white rabbit) because one guy was pissed I once said on a forum "Torrent trackers should be happy we use them." they're soo up themselves. Imagine thinking your users owe you something. The aim is to get users and get good users.

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by gioo on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @10:19AM (#36125172)
> Actually, these users are generally deadbeat users. They're good at providing upload and buffering accounts but that is it. They don't make your community any better, they're spread out over multiple communities.

You do have a point, I guess it boils down to the definition of a 'good user'. Like you said, someone joining from an invite they bought is likely gonna be more active. From the staff's POV the activity of an account is of secondary importance though, and the respect of golden rules is paramount. Tree-bans often end up banning users with high userclasses and (very) active accounts.

From my POV as a normal user, I like the tracker being active but I don't like the web of trust being broken. An invite-only club is good because everyone was invited by a trusted member; if you can just buy your way in it's different.

Anyway, the TL;DR is that at the end of the day your personal interests change depending on what position you're in (staff, normal user, etc.) and while you as an user may not mind people buying invites because of passive benefits, the tracker staff has different priorities and definitely does mind.

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by Gareth321 on Monday May 29, 2023 @01:35PM (#36116076)
This doesn't answer your question directly but it might help anyway. Usenet is an excellent (paid) alternative to climbing the private tracker ladder. All traffic is secure and effectively anonymous. Download is lightning fast. If you're on the right backbone there is an ocean of content. It's only missing very old, obscure stuff. It's MUCH easier than climbing that ladder and worrying about ratios.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by wkat4242 on Monday May 29, 2023 @04:52PM (#36117997)
Stuff is also taken down within about a day. This is really the problem with usenet.

I actually find it much better for ancient stuff because my provider has 10 years retention and the DMCA takedowns only started a few years ago.

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by katbyte on Monday May 29, 2023 @05:07PM (#36118122)
there are a few subreddits that people offer invites/ask for them

otherwise many have open signups randomly throughout the year

the better ones are harder and often expect proof of previous seeding, like i've been in IPT for years with 7TB/2TB ratio but still not managed to find an invite to some of the more renowned ones.

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by justsomehnguy on Monday May 29, 2023 @11:03AM (#36114668)
You don't even need to ftp it, you can run the client at home and it would connect to the seedbox through the swarm (or you can manually add a peer if needed)
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Monday May 29, 2023 @11:50AM (#36115078)
Tell me more please.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by justsomehnguy on Monday May 29, 2023 @12:08PM (#36115241)
?

You add the torrent to the seedbox torrent client and your (eg) home torrent client.

They are both become part of the swarm for that torrent, through the tracker or DHT, so eventually they would know about each other.

If your seedbox dowload the chunk then you home client can connect to the seedbox client and download that chunk, just as a regular participant of the swarm, no need to do anything.

Because the seedbox has a direct connectivity then if there is a seed without a direct connectivity - it can connect to your seedbox (again, discovered through DHT or tracker) and give out all the needed chunks.

A bit slower than having a direct connectivity at you home, but most of the time it doesn't matter.

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by Hamuko on Monday May 29, 2023 @12:32PM (#36115450)
I'm having a hard time understanding the point of this setup.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by justsomehnguy on Monday May 29, 2023 @01:07PM (#36115784)
Seedbox has a real IP (or port forward, though that doesn't matter here) so seed and peers behind the NAT can coonect to it and transfer torrent data. Your home torrent client therefore can connect to it and receive the torrent data even if it can't connect to the seed directly.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by npteljes on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @09:44AM (#36124811)
This misses a major point of the seedbox: that you don't have to run torrent on your residential connection.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by Hamuko on Monday May 29, 2023 @11:02AM (#36114660)
I don't really desire the added complexity of having my files somewhere else.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by that_guy_iain on Monday May 29, 2023 @11:06AM (#36114696)
Seems same level of complexity to me as adding a VPN into the mix.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by Hamuko on Monday May 29, 2023 @11:11AM (#36114750)
Not really. With a VPN, the only change is that the networking between A and B now go through a tunnel with no changes to A or B. But if you get a seedbox, A is completely removed from the picture and you just have a connection between B and C.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by emeril on Monday May 29, 2023 @12:18PM (#36115342)
dude, at least for tv/movies, just use ultra.cc (cheapest plan) and kodi can connect to it via https so no need for vpn and you don't even need to to download anything - super easy

you can even pay more if you really need plex

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by theshrike79 on Monday May 29, 2023 @01:26PM (#36115985)
The level of complexity is running a rsync cron job every X minutes to check if you have new files to transfer back home.

It's not exactly rocket surgery.

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by Hamuko on Monday May 29, 2023 @01:33PM (#36116062)
So it's more complex and slower.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by theshrike79 on Monday May 29, 2023 @01:40PM (#36116130)
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Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by katbyte on Monday May 29, 2023 @09:26PM (#36120176)
it can take a long time to sync files home if they are large enough/your connection is slow
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by theshrike79 on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @12:39AM (#36121195)
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Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by katbyte on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @10:58AM (#36125642)
fair, i moved away from a seedbox because it took so long to sync back home
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by bscphil on Monday May 29, 2023 @02:59PM (#36116806)
Cost. If you've already got an old, cheap server lying around, then having an 8 TB box at home is very cheap. Say, $15 a month for Mullvad + power usage. Reputable seedboxes seem to be in the range of ~$60 a month for 8TB of storage. Obviously, if you want to scale beyond that, it's as simple as adding another 8 TB drive to your box at home, whereas a cloud seedbox would nearly double in price.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by thaumaturgy on Monday May 29, 2023 @07:12PM (#36119217)
> Why not use a seedbox?

Mostly because I haven't been able to find a seedbox service I trust as much as mullvad. It's impossible to tell which ones will flip to copyright authorities as soon as a little bit of pressure is applied.

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by tomjen3 on Monday May 29, 2023 @12:06PM (#36115218)
I am pretty sure you can get a deal with NordVPN. Just search youtube for someone you follow Nordvpn and sponsor.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by stefandesu on Monday May 29, 2023 @12:59PM (#36115714)
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by byyll on Monday May 29, 2023 @04:05PM (#36117524)
Can't have a place on the internet without some Nord shilling.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by MikusR on Monday May 29, 2023 @02:49PM (#36116714)
Pia has port forwarding and is half the price of mullvad
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by serf on Monday May 29, 2023 @03:31PM (#36117143)
Many Mullvad customers migrated from there to Mullvad in the first place after Kape Tech bought them.

Kape Tech , at the time, had a less than stellar reputation. I haven't followed it much since that time.

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by commoner on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @02:11PM (#36128346)
Private Internet Access stopped releasing source code for recent versions of its clients.

Details: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35642700

These days, free and open source software clients are table stakes for a VPN to be considered trustworthy. The fact that PIA silently stopped releasing source code after previously promising to do so is a major red flag.

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by SparkyMcUnicorn on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @03:09PM (#36129165)
You don't need to use their client. Just grab a config and use an OpenVPN or WireGuard client instead.

PIA official repo: https://github.com/pia-foss/manual-connections

https://helpdesk.privateinternetaccess.com/guides/linux/linu...

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by rogers18445 on Monday May 29, 2023 @08:34PM (#36119830)
For torrenting, port forwarding is only marginally important - for torrents which have very few peers and you can connect to none of them.

It's also risky because mullvad certainly has records of forwarded ports and can out you if they receive a properly worded subpoena. There is also a chance those records would be present in their backups even after you deleted the forwarded ports.

I have a separate command for port forwarded torrent client and only use it when absolutely necessary, which is almost never.

Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by kortilla on Monday May 29, 2023 @09:34PM (#36120227)
If you’re concerned about records, port forwarding isn’t that relevant. Lookup nat binding records, which is how ISPs keep track of users behind nat.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by rogers18445 on Monday May 29, 2023 @09:53PM (#36120337)
How is that relevant here? mullvad has to keep track of who to forward the port to, any NAT ports are going to be ephemeral and conducted through an encrypted tunnel.
Re:Mullvad: Removing the Support for Forwarded Ports by kortilla on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @04:03AM (#36135730)
Whether a port is forwarded or allocated on demand for a connection is irrelevant when you have a nat binding record keeping infrastructure.