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Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by Dennip on Friday May 19, 2023 @11:01AM (#36002773)
IIRC These can have thier own host of problems because the 'brine' byproduct doesn't mix well back into the ocean and can settle/pool and create marine dead zones. Although suppose that will be less of a priority if people are thirsty.
Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by piyh on Friday May 19, 2023 @11:21AM (#36003016)
Put them down stream of farm runoff so everything is already dead
Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by dghlsakjg on Friday May 19, 2023 @11:32AM (#36003139)
Farm runoff normally has the opposite effect, providing too many nutrients causing things like algal blooms.
Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by TeMPOraL on Friday May 19, 2023 @11:41AM (#36003224)
So the brine and the farm runoff will cancel out and the result will be just right for nature. Right? Right?
Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by EvanAnderson on Friday May 19, 2023 @12:12PM (#36003615)
Always a good time for[0]:

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[0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=P9yruQM1ggc

Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by swayvil on Friday May 19, 2023 @11:24AM (#36003046)
Build cities from stabilized salt. Bricks, grout, pourable slabs.
Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by gonzo41 on Friday May 19, 2023 @12:01PM (#36003502)
We pump brine inland to a large flat expendabe plain and flood it to allow the water to evaporate off and the salt to sette. 20-50 years later, pod racing on the salt flat.
Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by Dennip on Friday May 19, 2023 @12:09PM (#36003590)
I think this causes its own host of issues as there are a load of other nasties such as arsenic etc in seawater which would build up there.
Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by _puk on Friday May 19, 2023 @12:32PM (#36003816)
How does that work for e.g. small scale salt farming in many European countries that flood areas with sea water, then harvest the salt after the water has evaporated [0]?

Is it just a case of the scale making it safe?

0: https://www.timeout.com/croatia/things-to-do/ston-salt-works

Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by aziaziazi on Friday May 19, 2023 @12:46PM (#36004008)
I think so, yes. One person salt consumption seems wayyy less than the brime that would be created by desalination of the freshwater he needs.
Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by djbusby on Friday May 19, 2023 @12:31PM (#36003806)
Arsenic in Pod fuel too.
Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by aziaziazi on Friday May 19, 2023 @12:43PM (#36003961)
The desalination plan provide water when the groundwater reservoirs are too low to fulfill freshwater demand.

The brine slowly go down through geological layers. After 5 years it reaches groundwater reservoir.

20-50 years later, the regions become famous for its fun pod racing and for its numerous ghost cities around the old plain.

Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by fshbbdssbbgdd on Friday May 19, 2023 @12:53PM (#36004107)
The ocean is way too big for removing some drinking water (which is going to end up back in the ocean anyway) to have a material effect on the salt concentration.

The problem is strictly local: if the brine produced by the plant is dumped in an area with low flow, it can hang around and affect sea life.

If you use a big discharge pipe and put it a decent distance offshore in a current where it can mix effectively, there’s very little effect.

This is not a reason to shoot down desalination plants as a concept, it’s a design constraint to take into account when building them.

Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by adgjlsfhk1 on Friday May 19, 2023 @01:35PM (#36004645)
the hard part is what water of different salinity doesn't mix the way you think it should
Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by otikik on Friday May 19, 2023 @01:10PM (#36004362)
That always looked like a no-problem to me. Can't the brine be put in a pool and let evaporate instead? You get drinking water from the desalination plant and salt.
Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by dylan604 on Friday May 19, 2023 @01:11PM (#36004374)
Instead of pumping the brine into a pool, pump it into a ship. As the ship sails, it slowly releases the brine at a rate much more tolerable. When the tanks are 50% empty, turn around and come home. lather rinse repeat.

of course, a renewable powered ship

Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by RajT88 on Friday May 19, 2023 @01:20PM (#36004479)
There are commercial salt harvesting operations which use such brine. No need to flush it back in the ocean.

If you have ever flown into SFO you have seen the reddish pools. (By the way the red color comes from Brine Shrimp, which presumably there is also use for)

https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/salt-ponds-san-francisco

Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by blacksmith_tb on Friday May 19, 2023 @01:30PM (#36004598)
Which is good, but may not potentially scale up - if we were desalinating 5X, 10X as much seawater, it seems unlikely we could make use of that much salt, and would have to bury it or dispose of it some other way.
Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by RajT88 on Friday May 19, 2023 @01:34PM (#36004634)
People are considering using salt as a building material now:

https://www.archdaily.com/994769/could-salt-be-a-material-of...

When you have a practically free resource which is waste from a large scale industrial process, cottage industries to make use of the free waste sometimes pop up. It's a solvable problem.

Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by Izikiel43 on Friday May 19, 2023 @03:28PM (#36005878)
Then your house melts with the rain
Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by RajT88 on Friday May 19, 2023 @05:14PM (#36006929)
Article talks about that kinda. You have to read at least halfway through it.
Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by p1mrx on Friday May 19, 2023 @05:19PM (#36006972)
Look what you've done! I'm dissolving, dissolving! Ohh, what a world.
Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by c1sc0 on Saturday May 20, 2023 @01:13AM (#36009544)
And it’s not just salt. Other chemicals can be harvested from that brine before you need to dispose of the leftovers, e.g. magnesium carbonate. I know because I run a climbing company that sells chalk (MgCO3) from that production pathway.
Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by wasm123 on Friday May 19, 2023 @05:00PM (#36006788)
We had the same problem with power plants dumping hot untreated water back in the environment. This is why cooling towers are synonymous with nuclear power plants. This is an easy solution to fix, but like all engineering it costs extra. For power plants it was fixed through legislation. You literally have an entire oceans worth of water to reconstitute the brine. This was more problematic of older system using distillation.
Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by Seattle3503 on Friday May 19, 2023 @07:01PM (#36007782)
People are coming up with some wacky solutions, but am I missing something or can you just pull in more seawater and dilute the brine closer to the ocean's natural salinity before you send it back into the ocean?