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Re:In 1930, the 22M-pound Indiana Bell building was rotated ... by Joker_vD on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @09:28AM (#35627875)
An inspiring reminder that lots of crazily monumental (pun intended) things are technically possible if only you actually want them to happen and willing to spend money on it.

P.S. "22 million pounds"? That's approximately 22 thousand half-tons or 11 thousand tons in sensible units. Then again, we're still measuring disk sizes in half-kibibytes by default even though the sector sizes have actually been 4/8 KiB for years...

Re:In 1930, the 22M-pound Indiana Bell building was rotated ... by briffle on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @10:04AM (#35628283)
When you word it that way, it doesn't sound as impressive.. I've seen many 20k ton objects move large distances.. they are trains :)
Re:In 1930, the 22M-pound Indiana Bell building was rotated ... by Joker_vD on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @10:19AM (#35628505)
Are they? I vaguely recollect freight trains' weight being in the vicinity of 6-8 thousand tons, not in the twenty thousands. How long would such a train be, 200 boxcars or something? Seems a bit unwieldy.
Re:In 1930, the 22M-pound Indiana Bell building was rotated ... by toast0 on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @12:48PM (#35630397)
This link [1] says the median US train is 5,400 feet, and this link [2] quotes an intermodal railcar for 53-foot containers at 67 feet, 9 inches; although 40 foot containers are the most common size; let's use 60 feet as a round number car length; that would put the median train at 90 cars; the 90%ile train is 9,800 feet or 163 cars by my length estimate, and 99%ile was 14,000 feet or 233 cars.

Probably depends on the specific route, but 200 cars doesn't seem unrealistic.

[1] https://www.aar.org/article/freight-train-length/ [2] https://www.mrc-rail.com/railcar-results/intermodal/

Re:In 1930, the 22M-pound Indiana Bell building was rotated ... by rtkwe on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @12:59PM (#35630536)
They are unwieldy and because of their length they're now too long for the sidings constructed to allow trains to pass each other causing scheduling issues. The whole rail industry in the US is slowly choking itself to death on it's own short term profit motives.
Re:In 1930, the 22M-pound Indiana Bell building was rotated ... by Ekaros on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @10:31AM (#35628664)
Many of them even float... Referring to ships that are next size up.
Re:In 1930, the 22M-pound Indiana Bell building was rotated ... by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @10:15AM (#35628443)
And 25 years earlier in 1905, 6000 ton Calvin Hall was moved on the Iowa campus in a similar way. It was a well-understood technique by 1930.
Re:In 1930, the 22M-pound Indiana Bell building was rotated ... by mrguyorama on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @01:02PM (#35630575)
Probably had a bunch of domain knowledge left over from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_of_Chicago
Re:In 1930, the 22M-pound Indiana Bell building was rotated ... by rootusrootus on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @10:54AM (#35628893)
For further reading, I found this [0]. 20000T happens, but seems to be on the top end and not a typical train.

[0] https://www.trainconductorhq.com/how-much-does-a-train-weigh...

Re:In 1930, the 22M-pound Indiana Bell building was rotated ... by nayuki on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @11:47AM (#35629663)
Capital T is tesla, a unit of magnetic flux density.
Re:In 1930, the 22M-pound Indiana Bell building was rotated ... by _zoltan_ on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @01:47PM (#35631103)
very important comment /s
Re:In 1930, the 22M-pound Indiana Bell building was rotated ... by segfaultbuserr on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @11:07PM (#35635909)
Old habits die hard. I still occasionally see some engineering veterans who use the capital letter "S" for seconds (and they would write "nS" instead of "ns" for nanoseconds) - even in chip datasheets. And when I was reading a textbook one day, I also noticed that the author, an expert with a life career at Bell Labs, just couldn't write MHz properly, and instead wrote "Mhz".

In their time, Siemens and Hertz had not even been added to the SI system yet, I imagine they would speak in terms of mhos and megacycles back then.

Re:In 1930, the 22M-pound Indiana Bell building was rotated ... by BenjiWiebe on Thursday April 20, 2023 @01:48PM (#35643593)
At least mhos and megacycles are unambiguous, unlike S or T.
Re:In 1930, the 22M-pound Indiana Bell building was rotated ... by burnished on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @05:46PM (#35633717)
Another commenter mentioned T is teslas, seems like the abbreviation for a ton depends on which ton you are talking about (wikipedia lists several and not all of them are mass/weight!).

From a conversion the article uses I believe they are using the metric ton (aka megagram) which abbreviates to the lower case t. The article you reference does not seem to ever abbreviate 'ton' and I suspect that may have been done intentionally to avoid running into this issue? Its what I would have done, anyway.

I don't think this impacts the readability of your comment I just thought it was a shame that the other comment didnt go all the way and attempt to describe correct useage.

Re:In 1930, the 22M-pound Indiana Bell building was rotated ... by kube-system on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @11:32AM (#35629461)
For comparison, the Ever Given that got stuck in the Suez a couple years back has a capacity just short of 200,000 tons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ever_Given

Re:In 1930, the 22M-pound Indiana Bell building was rotated ... by olyjohn on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @01:23PM (#35630803)
Kinda blows my mind that it floats on water.
Re:In 1930, the 22M-pound Indiana Bell building was rotated ... by kube-system on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @02:15PM (#35631425)
It's basically thanks to the fact that the water under the ship is ~870 times more dense than the air inside the ship.
Re:In 1930, the 22M-pound Indiana Bell building was rotated ... by nayuki on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @11:46AM (#35629649)
The correct answer in metric is 9.98 Gg (gigagrams).

> we're still measuring disk sizes in half-kibibytes by default

Where do you see that? Marketing and operating systems always measure disk sizes in bytes (or KB, KiB, MB, etc.), not sectors. Only in low-level tools like some hex editors and disk partitioners do I see data measured in sectors.

> the sector sizes have actually been 4/8 KiB for years

512-B sectors for hard drives and flash drives, yes. But I'm too young to recall whether older hard and floppy disks had varying sector sizes. I can say, though, that CD's sector size is either 2048 bytes (data mode), 2324 bytes (XA), or some other value in other modes.

Re:In 1930, the 22M-pound Indiana Bell building was rotated ... by Dylan16807 on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @12:38PM (#35630260)
> The correct answer in metric is 9.98 Gg (gigagrams).

10 gigagrams. It's a rough estimate of 500 tons per story.

But tonne is a perfectly good "unit officially accepted for use with the SI". If you're willing to use "minute" and "liter" you should be fine with tonne.

Re:In 1930, the 22M-pound Indiana Bell building was rotated ... by Joker_vD on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @12:07PM (#35629894)
> Where do you see that?

Precisely where you've described; I've also seen "du" use it once, although it normally uses 1 KiB blocks (one of the very few things that I agree with rms on).

> 512-B sectors for hard drives and flash drives,

They've been using 4 KiB sectors since 2011; the 512-bytes sectors are emulated in the controller: [0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Format

Re:In 1930, the 22M-pound Indiana Bell building was rotated ... by mangamadaiyan on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @07:19PM (#35634532)
Older SCSI HDDs allowed you to format them with whatever sector size you wanted. Sector sizes that were greater than 512 bytes were not uncommon.
Re:In 1930, the 22M-pound Indiana Bell building was rotated ... by mangamadaiyan on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @09:26PM (#35635294)
This is the quickest (indirect) reference I could find:

https://linux.die.net/man/8/sg_format