I searched the name Nupur Sharma and it gave me this article which explains everything.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-61716241.amp
It says that the fact checker shared a video of what she said.
I understand by "Indian friends" you mean upper caste Hindu Indian friends who are Modi acolytes and his primary voting demographic. Not Indian Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, Dalits or Shudras who form greater than 50% of the Indian population.
>> Not Indian Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, Dalits or Shudras who form greater than 50% of the Indian population.
Acc to you, if they are more than 50% AND not happy with Modi, why is Modi winning back to back elections and almost certain to come to power again in 2024?
Additionally, Muslims in Gujarat and UP have been coerced into voting for BJP candidate by threatening them with shut down of municipal services when BJP wins. This is enabled because EVMs report summary statistics from each location which the government employees have access to.
That reinforces my point.
>>This is enabled because EVMs<<
This EVM story has been peddled by your ilk ad-infinitum but with no substance.
If that were the case, BJP should be winning all state elections right? Delhi, WestBengal, Rajasthan…
So as and when party of your choice win, EVMs are good when opposition party wins , oh they are manipulated.
They are able to make this threat because of summary data made available by EVMs
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/maneka-gandhi-s-vo...
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Why do you assume that everyone outside of India is incapable of understanding things on their own and need help from Indian friend? Why do you patronise? Isn’t that racist? Isn’t the that some kind of twisted supremest thinking?
I can read the stats and make up my mind on my own.
By your own admission, for the first time you heard Nupur’s name, you did a quick search and within minutes you reached the conclusion what you wanted to reach.
Since when asking to understand the issue in depth - rather than a 2 mins cursory look up - racism?
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It's not someone else's fault that Sharma decided to make those comments on live television in the first place.
https://www.jantakareporter.com/entertainment/times-now-dele...
What this fact checker cunningly did was to edit out the Muslim panellist mocking and simply showed her part of the clip. He has a mass following in Islamic nations and it got blown out of proportion.
That other people in the debate compared a Shivling (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingam) to roadside signs and poles does not excuse Nupur Sharma from the repercussions of what she said. Sharma made comments that she knew would be offensive to a religious minority, and she was expelled from her position as the national spokesperson of the Bharatiya Janata Party because that was not the behavior the public expected from a high-ranking political figure.
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/bjp-suspends-nupur-s...
When someone like Mohammed Zubair makes a supercut of Sharma's comments to highlight the fact that a politician is not appropriately representing her constituents, it's not Zubair's fault that Sharma made those comments in the first place.
For the record, Nupur does not represent any constituents in the purest sense. She was the spokesperson, that’s it. She is neither an MP nor MLA.
People like you who justify mob lynching don't belong in civilised society.
When a politician chooses to make incendiary comments that are then met with anger from the public, that politician has nobody to blame but herself for the negative response.
This is mentally sick.
High-profile figures are more vulnerable than average individuals and it is not in anyone's interest to make incendiary statements that expose themselves to higher security risks. Sharma should have taken this into consideration before saying what she did on national television, even though any violence against her would be unjustified.
This is your assumption. They are baying for her blood. These Islamic fanatics have already tried several attempts on her. In one case even two Pakistan trained terrorists were employed for the job. Intelligence bureau caught hold of them in time.
The speech happened in the national media by the way so there was nothing to expose, but the intention was to turn the attention of muslim lynch mobs on her.
This is literally gaslighting. They are trying to say whatever happened is her fault and not the consequence of a social media influencer framing her utterance (which is a hadith quotation btw) as blasphemy.
GP is literally scum.
That’s their tried and tested modus-operandi. You check any major terror incidents in India or abroad, Islamists use the same playbook.
If they are mocking someone’s religion it is their “freedom of speech” , if it is the opposite, Charlie Hebdo or Nupur Sharma will be done to you.
What Nupur Sharma did is like what Todd Davis, the CEO of LifeLock, did in 2010. Davis published his social security number on LifeLock's website and on billboards to promote his business, only to end up having his identity stolen 13 times. Was the identity theft justified? No. But, should Davis have known better than to do that? Yes.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1358932
As a seasoned politician, Nupur Sharma chose to make incendiary comments that she knew would offend followers of another religion in a country with a volatile religious environment, and the people she targeted responded with anger. Her comments had a negative connotation that in no way resembles a "hadith quotation". Were the resulting threats of violence justified? No. But, should Sharma have known better than to do that? Yes.
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Alright.
As far as violation of guidelines goes, I disagree. I was just pointing out the glaring inconsistencies in your argument. Which are nothing short of justifying killing a person because they are perceived to have said something against Islam.
You are defending yourself by saying "Uh uh I didn't say that". But when you ignore the death threats, and don't even bother to elaborate why her statements justify the threats against her, you are actually justifying the mob. You are saying "she brought it on herself". You just can't have it both ways.
That is gaslighting.
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The amazing thing is that even after killings, these fanatics cry victim hood.
Twitter has a great feature for that not where citizens can provide context / 'fact check' an article without deleting it. That's the best (and IMO only legitimate way) to deal with this stuff, countering bad information with better information. While still exposing publicly that this person is lying to you. As opposed to deleting or censoring it, you put up a big flag that says "there's more to this story".
Apparently, death threats and actual deaths and rapes should only happen to Dalits and Muslims via periodically organized riots. It's also a great idea to jail the lawyer of the survivor of a lynch mob, Teesta Setalvad. Indias Supreme court is pleased.