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Re:Indian government empowers itself to “fact check,” delete... by fellellor on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @03:07AM (#35610873)
She should be able to say anything she wants on Islam and Muhammed. The only consequence to her should be what is in the Indian Penal Code, and ostracisation by her constituents. She doesn't deserve to be lynched by a muslim mob for that.

People like you who justify mob lynching don't belong in civilised society.

Re:Indian government empowers itself to “fact check,” delete... by commoner on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @06:52AM (#35612274)
Sharma made incendiary comments on live television. Zubair and many other people called her out for her comments, and in response, her political party (the BJP) expelled her from her position as national spokesperson. She was not "lynched".

When a politician chooses to make incendiary comments that are then met with anger from the public, that politician has nobody to blame but herself for the negative response.

Re:Indian government empowers itself to “fact check,” delete... by fellellor on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @08:32AM (#35613120)
Gaslighting at it's finest right here. Nupur Sharma can never live a normal life. The moment her security is removed, and whereabouts are known she will absolutely get murdered by some Muslim fanatic, just like Kamlesh Tiwari.

This is mentally sick.

Re:Indian government empowers itself to “fact check,” delete... by commoner on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @09:44AM (#35613914)
You're abusing the word "gaslighting". Nobody is claiming that Nupur Sharma deserves any retribution beyond expulsion from her position.

High-profile figures are more vulnerable than average individuals and it is not in anyone's interest to make incendiary statements that expose themselves to higher security risks. Sharma should have taken this into consideration before saying what she did on national television, even though any violence against her would be unjustified.

Re:Indian government empowers itself to “fact check,” delete... by throwaway_9120 on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @11:30AM (#35615334)
>> Nobody is claiming that Nupur Sharma deserves any retribution beyond expulsion from her position.

This is your assumption. They are baying for her blood. These Islamic fanatics have already tried several attempts on her. In one case even two Pakistan trained terrorists were employed for the job. Intelligence bureau caught hold of them in time.

Re:Indian government empowers itself to “fact check,” delete... by fellellor on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @11:50PM (#35624054)
It is not even an assumption. GP knows what is happening and is trying to convince any potential audience that the only consequence of "exposing" Nupur's speech is a loss of position.

The speech happened in the national media by the way so there was nothing to expose, but the intention was to turn the attention of muslim lynch mobs on her.

This is literally gaslighting. They are trying to say whatever happened is her fault and not the consequence of a social media influencer framing her utterance (which is a hadith quotation btw) as blasphemy.

GP is literally scum.

Re:Indian government empowers itself to “fact check,” delete... by throwaway_9120 on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @02:01AM (#35624746)
>> They are trying to say whatever happened is her fault and not the consequence of a social media influencer framing<<

That’s their tried and tested modus-operandi. You check any major terror incidents in India or abroad, Islamists use the same playbook.

If they are mocking someone’s religion it is their “freedom of speech” , if it is the opposite, Charlie Hebdo or Nupur Sharma will be done to you.

Re:Indian government empowers itself to “fact check,” delete... by commoner on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @05:32AM (#35626166)
I was responding to your false accusation of "gaslighting". Nobody, as in "nobody in this HN conversation", is calling for violence against Nupur Sharma. The BJP expelled her from her position as national spokesperson because she is no longer a suitable representative for the party.

What Nupur Sharma did is like what Todd Davis, the CEO of LifeLock, did in 2010. Davis published his social security number on LifeLock's website and on billboards to promote his business, only to end up having his identity stolen 13 times. Was the identity theft justified? No. But, should Davis have known better than to do that? Yes.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1358932

As a seasoned politician, Nupur Sharma chose to make incendiary comments that she knew would offend followers of another religion in a country with a volatile religious environment, and the people she targeted responded with anger. Her comments had a negative connotation that in no way resembles a "hadith quotation". Were the resulting threats of violence justified? No. But, should Sharma have known better than to do that? Yes.

In this thread, you have posted multiple comments violating the HN guidelines, including:

> Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community.

> When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3."

> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

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Re:Indian government empowers itself to “fact check,” delete... by fellellor on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @09:29AM (#35627885)
So some dude getting his identity stolen is the same as having your statements pulled out of context, receiving death threats, and be forced to live in hiding for the rest of your life?

Alright.

As far as violation of guidelines goes, I disagree. I was just pointing out the glaring inconsistencies in your argument. Which are nothing short of justifying killing a person because they are perceived to have said something against Islam.

You are defending yourself by saying "Uh uh I didn't say that". But when you ignore the death threats, and don't even bother to elaborate why her statements justify the threats against her, you are actually justifying the mob. You are saying "she brought it on herself". You just can't have it both ways.

That is gaslighting.

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Re:Indian government empowers itself to “fact check,” delete... by dang on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @06:15PM (#35634009)
I appreciate your concern for the HN guidelines and have banned the other account. However, fairness obliges me to add that you also broke the guidelines by repeatedly perpetuating this flamewar.

"Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Indian government empowers itself to “fact check,” delete... by commoner on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @06:39PM (#35634213)
Thanks, I'll be more prudent with disengaging from flamewars.
Re:Indian government empowers itself to “fact check,” delete... by dang on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @06:03PM (#35633880)
We've banned this account for repeatedly abusing HN with political, nationalistic, and religious flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email [email protected] and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Re:Indian government empowers itself to “fact check,” delete... by throwaway_9120 on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @11:26AM (#35615254)
And guess what Muslim fanatics have butchered few Hindus already on this issue. These were the normal people who simply liked or expressed support for Nupur.

The amazing thing is that even after killings, these fanatics cry victim hood.

Re:Indian government empowers itself to “fact check,” delete... by dang on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @06:01PM (#35633865)
Personal attacks will get you banned on HN, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html