Being unfazed by horrors isn't a virtue, having scarred your soul like this isn't something to be proud of. You should be uncomfortable talking to a nazi! You should be more than uncomfortable!
As for white nationalists, when engaging in discussion with someone you disagree with you have the opportunity to change their mind.
We're all human. We won't always agree. I'm happy to meet everybody as human beings.
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
When you do stuff like this all you are doing is giving them a platform, letting them do PR for their hideous causes. They can calmly discuss the very existence of a group of people and then exit when it suits them. A member of that group is, rightfully, unlikely to have that sort of calm intellectual distance from a conversation about their right to exist.
You don't have to watch your words on 4chan though. You can literally just make fun of them.
You can larp as whoever you want to get a rise out of whoever you want. That is mostly what the site is. While you're larping as a nazi you're being exposed to every other political point of view, every gender, every race, and every sexuality.
How many real nazis do you think are comfortable looking at femboy threads all day? Is that really their choice forum? Hate speech and anthropomorphic dogs?
a lot of them. Nazis in dog costumes are an actual population on the board and get into frequent conflicts with non nazi pornographic content consumers. You just need to check out the 18+ boards and you see it almost immediately.
Similarly I do dispute the characterisation made by Sartre that we are irrational, doing it for fun, etc.
Many people have similar beliefs about other groups (Christians, Muslims, etc.). In America you can openly dunk on Christians or Muslims for example. You can agree or not with those beliefs, but I don't think the people doing that are completely irrational or doing it just as a provocation.
Edgelords that argue for sport exist of course but they too are poeple - and might not even believe in whatever ideologies they are meming.
I think isolating white nationalists just makes them congregate on echo chambers more. There should be a balance; you should not talk to racists/people with evil views if you can't maintain boundaries with them. So I don't disagree that you should be uncomfortable
I do not feel that way though.
Sure, they might, but it'd be ridiculous.
Being a white nationalist is a choice someone makes (and continues to make every day) whereas being trans is not.
Further, white nationalism is associated with bigoted actions (including speech) whereas trans is just someone's personal identity that doesn't really affect anyone else. The two aren't remotely comparable.
To what extent beliefs are voluntary or involuntary is a major topic of philosophical dispute: https://iep.utm.edu/doxastic-voluntarism/
> Someone: @dang
> dang: That doesn't work. The only things that work are to email [email protected] or rely on randomness. The former works most of the time and the latter works some of the time.
(I'd have said the same thing if you said you were developing a hatred for right-leaning people or anyone else.)
No fucking way I am. Reading the above, it seems you lack awareness of how messed up and dangerous certain people out there are.
Imagine that saying that being whatever race or skin color is acceptable terrifies some people, people who literally would like you to be unable to state that. Of course, this isn't evenly distributed. Substitute any other color for "WHITE" and everything is hunky-dory. This is also very illuminating.
More over, one discovers that merely being in the proximity of someone who might agree with the idea that it is okay to be white makes you, in full guilt-by-association mode, also a "Nazi." From this we learn that "Nazi" is a term which no longer means anything, like how Orwell complained about the term "fascist." People who disagree are now "Nazis." This is amazing if you stop and consider it. It is as if someone who fails to engage in a ton of logical fallacies has become The Enemy, "the worst" or a "garbage person." This, from people who preach against dehumanization.
I have to trawl what are apparently the disturbing depths of the internet, venturing into a website originally used to post memes about how liking Bridget isn't gay, to discover these things.
One can hardly habeeb it.
It's not a privilege Black people get; it's perfectly linguistically coherent.
It's not ok to be a white nationalist. /b/ and other 4chan boards do not ban white nationalists.
It also seems unlikely that the Nazis would have succeeded in killing many more millions of people than they did without Allied intervention, but at least this requires some unprovable speculation about alternative histories. Either way, can we stop fighting battles almost a century old? Today's bad guys are not yesterday's and yesterday's good guys are not today's good guys.
The white nationalist made genocide an efficient industrial process. Just look how little time they needed to nearly eradicate the Jews.
A money quote for those who can't be bothered to read: Ultimately, the Cambodian genocide led to the deaths of 1.5 to 2 million people, around 25% of Cambodia's population.
And people still want to be communists. Ideology is strange.
It's a "smoking causes cancer" situation. Just because other things also cause cancer doesn't mean that smoking doesn't. Read up on the history, look at each communist country, see what they become. Smoking causes cancer.
There's just still a bunch of communists who deny it because it's uncomfortable. Just like Neo-Nazis are denying the holocaust. If they were proud of it, they wouldn't deny it. They're not, but they'd like to keep the rest of their worldview intact and pretend that it didn't happen. Don't be like that, look at the history.
There are countries that while not communist, successfully enact a blend of socialism and capitalism without any significant violence. I don't think white nationalism has any sort of validly applicable aspects.
I don't think it does any more than any other form of nationalism does. Are the Baltic countries violent in your eyes? Their nationalism necessarily is hard to distinguish from ethnic nationalism, because they're very homogeneous. All they'd need to do to be white nationalists is to declare so openly. They're a pretty peaceful bunch, unless you invade them (like the Soviets found out in the Winter War).
Communism on the other hand, is necessarily violent, it cannot function without violently suppressing those who do not believe in it, and it will, always and without fail, go on an eradication trip to do so.
White nationalism universally seeks to carve out its own space at the expense of others. It's impossible to engage with the ideology without associating with violence.
Only if you ignore the mountain of skulls
I was with you right up until you started talking…
It is good to have a place where people can exist as themselves and be exposed to different ideas. I would wager that most people who go there are far more accepting than the general population.