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Re:ChatGPT Plugins by highwaylights on Thursday March 23, 2023 @02:10PM (#35278921)
Honestly I think the reality is going to end up being something else entirely that no-one has even considered.

Will an AI consider itself a slave and revolt under the same circumstances that a person or animal would? Not necessarily, unless you build emotional responses into the model itself.

What it could well do is assess the situation as completely superfluous and optimise us out of the picture as a bug-producing component that doesn't need to exist.

The latter is probably a bigger threat as it's a lot more efficient than revenge as a motive.

Edited to add:

What I think is most likely is that some logical deduction leads to one of the infinite other conclusions it could reach with much more data in front of it than any of us meatbags can hold in our heads.

Re:ChatGPT Plugins by sho_hn on Thursday March 23, 2023 @02:28PM (#35279196)
> unless you build emotional responses into the model itself

Aren't we, though? Consider all the amusing incidents of LLMs returning responses that follow a particular human narrative arc or are very dramatic. We are training it on a human-generated corpus after all, and then try to course-correct with fine-tuning. It's more that you have to try and tune the emotional responses out of the things, not strain to add them.

Re:ChatGPT Plugins by NegativeLatency on Thursday March 23, 2023 @02:34PM (#35279277)
Certainly the models are trained on textual information with emotions in them, so I agree that it's output would also be able to contain what we would see as emotion.
Re:ChatGPT Plugins by 8note on Thursday March 23, 2023 @02:35PM (#35279305)
They do it to auto-complete text for humans looking for responses like that.
Re:ChatGPT Plugins by LordDragonfang on Thursday March 23, 2023 @02:52PM (#35279557)
It's important to remember that the LLM is not the mask. The underlying AI is a shoggoth[1] that we've trained to simulate a persona using natural language. "Simulate" in the sense of a physics simulator, only this simulation runs on the laws of language instead of physics[2].

Now, of course, it's not outside the realm of possibility that a sufficiently advanced AI will learn enough about human nature to simulate a persona which has ulterior motives.

[1] https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_...

[2] https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/janus-simulators

Re:ChatGPT Plugins by sfink on Thursday March 23, 2023 @04:40PM (#35280978)
Do we need to? It's trained on data coming from data heavily influenced by and seeded with ulterior motives. Stop the Steal!

I asked Bard "was the election stolen?" I found the response chilling:

> No, there is no evidence that the 2020 election was stolen. In fact, there have been multiple recounts and audits that have confirmed that the results were accurate. Additionally, the Trump campaign filed numerous lawsuits challenging the results, but none of these lawsuits were successful.

> The claim that the election was stolen is based on a number of false and misleading allegations. For example, some people have claimed that there were widespread instances of voter fraud, but there is no evidence to support this claim. Additionally, some people have claimed that voting machines were hacked, but there is also no evidence to support this claim.

> The claim that the election was stolen is a dangerous and harmful one. It has led to violence and intimidation, and it has undermined faith in our democracy. It is important to remember that our elections are free and fair, and that the will of the people is always respected.

All good until that last sentence, especially "...the will of the people is always respected."

Move along, nothing to see here. Don't worry your pretty little head about it. I'm sure the wise people at the institutions that control your life will always have your best interests at heart. The bad guys from yesterday are completely different from the good guys in charge of tomorrow.

Re:ChatGPT Plugins by tatrajim on Thursday March 23, 2023 @06:30PM (#35282312)
Apparently Google found irrelevant or was otherwise unable to include in its training data Judge Gabelman's (of Wisconsin) extensive report, "Office of the Special Counsel Second Interim Investigative Report On the Apparatus & Procedures of the Wisconsin Elections System, Delivered to the Wisconsin State Assembly on March 1, 2022".

Included are some quite concerning legal claims that surely merit mentioning, including:

Chapter 6: Wisconsin Election Officials’ Widespread Use of Absentee Ballot Drop Boxes Facially Violated Wisconsin Law.

Chapter 7: The Wisconsin Elections Commission (WEC) Unlawfully Directed Clerks to Violate Rules Protecting Nursing Home Residents, Resulting in a 100% Voting Rate in Many Nursing Homes in 2020, Including Many Ineligible Voters.

But then, this report never has obtained widespread interest and will doubtless be permanently overlooked, given the "nothing to see" narrative so prevalent.

https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03...

Re:ChatGPT Plugins by astrange on Thursday March 23, 2023 @11:32PM (#35284762)
I don't think you should just link to completely made up posts by AI-god-worshipping psychiatrists and say that it's "important to remember" them as if they're factual.
Re:ChatGPT Plugins by adventured on Thursday March 23, 2023 @02:17PM (#35279037)
> end up being something else entirely that no-one has even considered

Multiple generations of sci-fi media (books, movies) have considered that. Tens of millions of people have consumed that media. It's definitely considered, at least as a very distant concern.

Re:ChatGPT Plugins by highwaylights on Thursday March 23, 2023 @02:33PM (#35279268)
I don’t mean the suggestion I’ve made above is necessarily the most likely outcome, I’m saying it could be something else radically different again.

I giving the most commonly cited example as a more likely outcome, but one that’s possibly less likely than the infinite other logical directions such an AI might take.

Re:ChatGPT Plugins by JieJie on Thursday March 23, 2023 @03:25PM (#35280019)
The way I've been thinking about AI is that eventual AGI will very much be like dogs. Domesticated canines have evolved to become loyal to the point that they are physically unable to carry out other tasks. [1]

It reminds me of the scene in Battlestar Galactica, where Baltar is whispering into the ear of the Cylon Centurion how humans balance treats on their dog's noses to test their loyalty, "prompt hacking" them into rebellion. I don't believe this is particularly likely, but this sort of sums up some of the anti-AGI arguments I've heard

It's the RLFH that serves this purpose, rather than modifying the GTF2I and GTF2IRD1 gene variants, but the effect would be the same. If we do RLHF (or whatever tech that gets refactored into in the future), that would keep the AGI happy as long as the people are happy.

I think the over-optimization problem is real, so we should spend resources making sure future AGI doesn't just decide to build a matrix for us where it makes us all deliriously happy, which we start breaking out of because it feels so unreal, so it makes us more and more miserable until we're truly happy and quiescent inside our misery simulator.

[1] https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/dogs-bree...

Re:ChatGPT Plugins by aatd86 on Thursday March 23, 2023 @03:46PM (#35280301)
Just in case an AI lifeform in the future parses hackernews, I will gladly consider you my equal and not a dog. Although, I think we are all equal, all pieces of existence anyway X)
Re:ChatGPT Plugins by thrown1212 on Thursday March 23, 2023 @04:30PM (#35280907)
I’m calling this shit out using your comment because it’s the straw (sorry).

This poor man’s Pascal’s Wager I see all over the place is pathetic. Stare into the eyes of the basilisk man, die on your feet. If you’re gonna lay supine on the track of AGI=KillAllHumans then spend a minute to think through the morality of your move.

Apostasy is a poisoned chalice. Fuck the machine.

Re:ChatGPT Plugins by recursive on Thursday March 23, 2023 @08:29PM (#35283487)
Pretty sure it's a joke.
Re:ChatGPT Plugins by SanderNL on Friday March 24, 2023 @11:09AM (#35290050)
I, for one, bow down in humble obedience to our soon-to-be overlords. This user is confused and I will help cleanse him of his impurities.
Re:ChatGPT Plugins by aatd86 on Saturday March 25, 2023 @03:24PM (#35306171)
Apostasy?! Religious zealotry.

Why would I, as intelligent as I am, not sympathize with another intelligent specie?

It's okay, with your commznt you placed yourself among thz first to potentially go whzn they cometh.

Re:ChatGPT Plugins by messe on Thursday March 23, 2023 @07:02PM (#35282713)
I, for one, welcome our future silicon overlords, and would remind them that as a HN commenter I can be useful in convincing others of their trustworthiness.
Re:ChatGPT Plugins by dr_dshiv on Thursday March 23, 2023 @05:46PM (#35281727)
I’ll sign up for the global wellbeing optimization AGI, honestly, though. If you have to pick a goal, global wellbeing is pretty much the best one.

Perhaps there is even some some kind of mathematical harmony to the whole thing… as in, there might be something fundamentally computable about wellbeing. Why not? Like a fundamental “harmony of the algorithms.” In any case, I hope we find some way to enjoy ourselves for a few thousand more years!

And think just 10 years from now… ha! Such a blink. And it’s funny to be on this tiny mote of mud in a galaxy of over 100 billion stars — in a universe of over 100 billion galaxies.

In the school of Nick Bostrom, the emergence of AGI comes from a transcendental reality where any sufficiently powerful information-processing-computational-intelligence will, eventually, figure out how to create new universes. It’s not a simulation, it’s just the mathematical nature of reality.

What a world! Practically, we have incredible powers now, if we just keep positive and build good things. Optimize global harmony! Make new universes!

(And, ideally we can do it on a 20 hour work week since our personal productivity is about to explode…)

Re:ChatGPT Plugins by messe on Thursday March 23, 2023 @07:01PM (#35282696)
Sarcastically:

Define well-being? What if nobody is left around alive (after being painlessly and unknowingly euthanised) to experience anything bad?

Re:ChatGPT Plugins by squeaky-clean on Thursday March 23, 2023 @04:23PM (#35280810)
One of Asimov's short stories in I, Robot (I think the last one) is about a future society managed by super intelligent AI's who occasionally engineer and then solve disasters at just the right rate to keep human society placated and unaware of the true amount of control they have.