macOS Ventura is the official name. The linked site is a Mac blog so they omitted the prefix. Your anger should be directed at hn policy for requiring original headlines at the cost of clarity, not Apple or the Mac blog

Fair point. I’m not angry, I’m just getting old :P

Don’t worry, there is at least a lifetime on the usage.

Actually...

> please use the original title, unless it is misleading

The policy appears to invite the adding of clarity. Ie, disambiguation in this case.

Yes, because on a tech related forum, the disambiguation of city name vs the name of an OS is front of mind on almost all readers

I had no idea what it was about. I don't keep MacOS version names in my head. I assumed it was the name of a company. "Mac" somewhere in the title would have been very useful.

Why? Macintosh is a kind of apple. Apples are fruits. Quarantine is a public health protocol. Surely we need to make it "Operating system for Cupertino (California)-based 'Apple Computer Inc.' computers version 13 changes app privilege management scheme with new xattr". Way better.

No, McIntosh is a kind of apple. Macintosh is a computer.

I thought it was some kind of rain coat

These version names are around for one year, if you're not a Mac user, it's pretty easy to be out of the loop. It's a safe place to draw the line.

Even as a Mac user it can get a bit much.

This thread is hilarious. I'm very familiar with xattr, but as somehow who chooses not to use an proprietary OS, whose proponents whine about constantly here, I had absolutely no idea what this would be about until I read comments.

I thought maybe Ventura was a sandboxing platform or tool or something.

But no apparently I'm an asshole or idiot for not keeping up with annual releases of a niche os. Jokes on jokes.

It seems you’ve tumbled down a slippery slope.

Surely you also need to specify that these are said operating system's extended attribute feature and not the generic and platonic ideal for extended attributes? A reader might get confused and think this applies to Linus's Unix Which Is Not Actually An Unix.

This is such a lazy take. It only takes one word to impose context on the rest of a sentence. MacOS is all you need. Not everyone pays attention to Apple's computers. I only this year realised their OS is no longer called OS X, for crying out loud.

There is very little reason to pay any attention to MacOS unless you actually use it.

I don't think people read "macOS" and immediately think of the Macintosh apple.

Wait, which California are you referring to? There's three, California in the US, and then Baja California, and Baja California Sur in Mexico. There are also quite a few in the UK, not to mention California, Ohio, California, Pennyslvania, and California, Missouri. Don't forget California, Trinidad and Tobago, or California, Ubay, Bohol, Philippines; California, Ontario, Canada, California, Paraná, Brazil; California, Santandet, Colombia.

Hang on, I just realized that I'm assuming you're referring to a place. There's also the movie California, a movie from 1927, 1947, 1963, and 1977. There's also the rock band by that name, a Blink 182 album, a Diplo EP, and a Joni Mitchell song. The California is also a US Navy ship, maybe you meant that one?

Please help, I'm very confused. Which California are you referring to? I'm sorry but this conversation simply cannot continue until you clear that up. If it's the California Nebula, I must admit though that I've yet to visit, though the pictures look lovely this time of year.

There’s also Ferrari California.

I used to when they were big cats. It’s been downhill since…

In the original context of a Mac-focused blog, I think it makes sense. On HN though, I have to admit I had no idea which it was because of the way it's worded. If the subject was "Apple" or "MacOS" then it would read much nicer imo.

> Ventura is a 150 year old city where 100k people live. I know this is HN, but can we not let mega-companies capture names like this?

Ventura is 5 different cities, two different municipalities, hundreds of people, a racehorse, at least one freeway, two planes, a ship, a car, a bus company, a guitar brand (defunct), an engine, a film festival, a design show, three albums, two songs, and two bands. And an OS codename. The exclusivity you're claiming never existed, and the name capture either doesn't either, or is a long-done deal.

Hell, the name of the city you're talking about isn't even Ventura, it's San Buenaventura.

You're so confidently incorrect its beyond comical.

In California, Ventura CITY and Ventura county.

A simple Gooling negates the need for you to be so wrong in one comment.

Enjoy: https://www.cityofventura.ca.gov/ https://www.ventura.org/

It’s not that simple:

> Ventura, officially named San Buenaventura, was founded in 1782 when Saint Junipero Serra established Mission San Buenaventura, the ninth of the California missions. Serra named the mission after the Italian Saint Bonaventure, hence the nickname that Ventura is the “city of good fortune.”

https://www.cityofventura.ca.gov/594/About-Ventura

https://visitventuraca.com/blog/when-san-buenaventura-became...

So I would be nicer in general but also take this as a distraction from the main point that tech companies shouldn’t squat on human names. The geographic names will be around long after the OS version is obsolete. I know multiple Alexas and a Siri who will be quite happy if Amazon and Apple rebrand, too.

> You're so confidently incorrect its beyond comical.

> In California, Ventura CITY and Ventura county.

> A simple Gooling negates the need for you to be so wrong in one comment.

> Enjoy: https://www.cityofventura.ca.gov/ https://www.ventura.org/

From your first link:

https://www.cityofventura.ca.gov/594/About-Ventura

> Ventura, officially named San Buenaventura, was founded in 1782 when Saint Junipero Serra established Mission San Buenaventura, the ninth of the California missions.

Gotta love confidently incorrect attempts at calling out other people for being confidently incorrect!

You'd think you would quadruple check that first.

I also have a cool link for you: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Please don't be an asshole in HN comments, regardless of how mistaken someone else is or you feel they are.

If you know more than someone else, that's great—but then please share some of what you know, so the rest of us can learn (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...) - and please drop the putdowns! It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

All the more reason for clarity?

If "app quarantine" and "xattr" make you think somebody is referring to a city, racehorse, or band, I'm not sure the allowed size of titles on HN is sufficient to disambiguate. And I don't think many HN title make the cut either.

I thought it was pretty clear with the word "app" in there.

I had to read it three times before I worked out it wasn't some city in California doing something with transfers on a Covid-19 quarantine app.

Companies use cities & national park names in products because you can’t trademark those names.

So you don’t have to worry about being sued over name infringement.

But doesn't that imply that the company also can't trademark the name for themselves? Being able to protect your own name seems important.

I think one great thing that makes people superior to GPT is our increased capacity for context sensitive semantics and nuance...

I'm similarly mad whenever I go to the store to buy an apple.

How do you think I feel? I’m a farmer with a dell.