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Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by neosat on Thursday February 16, 2023 @01:02PM (#34822629)
YouTube has been riding it's content momentum for too long. It really needs a change of leadership to continue to innovate.

For some searches, it's baffling that the top results are clearly intuitively wrong (e.g. showing videos where dislike to like ratio is very high, compared to clearly better alternatives that you can find if you wade through the results)

Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by ren_engineer on Thursday February 16, 2023 @01:24PM (#34823142)
YT search is dogshit now, rather than just returning results for the keyword you want they mix in random videos you've watched before and "suggested" videos that have no relation to the search

and the lack of likes/dislikes makes it harder to determine quality, which is probably some dark pattern to try and drive more engagement by forcing people to watch multiple videos. Dark patterns work short term, long term they result in TikTok or the equivalent eating your market share

Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by seydor on Thursday February 16, 2023 @01:50PM (#34823694)
It's also not SHORTS really trying SHORTS to mix its content nicely SHORTS because i seem to find its recommendations boring SHORTS and often can't find videos that SHORTS i know should be there. Maybe SHORTS i should be using bing search to find youtube videos. Yandex also has a nice video search
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by 411111111111111 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @02:02PM (#34823908)
And if you start browsing shorts you're bound to get the same <9 creators ad nauseam with duplicates mixed in all the time. It's a terrible experience, honestly.
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by sph on Thursday February 16, 2023 @02:12PM (#34824111)
The YT recommendation system is basically "we know what you want to watch better than you do", so it keeps blatantly ignoring any opposite signal.

No, I do not want to watch wedding videos that I've said I'm not interested in at least 50 times. No, there isn't anyone in my household watching wedding videos.

No, I do not want to rewatch a 6 hour long lecture I watched last month.

Yet it just doesn't bloody care. I am truly terrified to click on anything outside my regular comfort zone for fear that that's what I'll be recommended for the next 12 months. Youtube is the worst product I have to keep paying for — I tried going adblock, but good luck if you have Apple devices. I'd rather be held hostage to Youtube Premium than being brainwashed with ads every 5 minutes.

Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by cuteboy19 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @02:01PM (#34823891)
The worst part is that they recommend 3 views shorts of children uploading random uninteresting moments
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by vlaxx on Thursday February 16, 2023 @02:01PM (#34823884)
> YT search is dogshit now...

All of Google search is dogshit these days. You can't search for anything these days without a crap ton of ads and pages of SEO optimized wrong answers.

Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by bagacrap on Thursday February 16, 2023 @11:35PM (#34830824)
s/Google search/the web

And people think chatgpt is going to save us, when all it's going to do is make the web, and therefore search results, ever more nonsensical.

Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by progbits on Thursday February 16, 2023 @01:33PM (#34823327)
Why does everything have to keep innovating?

Youtube was fine years ago. People make stuff, I subscribe and watch it. Sure throw in some algorithmic discovery on the side. Bring back dislike count.

Other than that I don't care for any innovation. Just keep the lights on.

Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by mdgrech23 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @01:35PM (#34823382)
yea I'm a daily users of YT. Pay for premium. Don't produce. Only consume. Probably their ideal customer and I think the app is great. No idea what people are bitching about.
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by Workaccount2 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @01:43PM (#34823549)
The main criticism I see with YouTube is that it has too many ads, and the idea of paying for youtube is laughable.

Basically, it's users are very entitled.

Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by voydik on Thursday February 16, 2023 @01:54PM (#34823773)
Paying for YouTube Premium has been the best $15/month I've ever spent. What's laughable is not paying for it. It's a good model that works.
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by atlgator on Thursday February 16, 2023 @02:02PM (#34823904)
You can save $3/mo by canceling your subscription through Apple and subscribing directly through the YouTube’s website ($11.99). Avoids the Apple tax.
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by Hikikomori on Thursday February 16, 2023 @02:20PM (#34824261)
There's premium lite for like half the price as well.
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by justapassenger on Thursday February 16, 2023 @02:04PM (#34823949)
Seriously, if you spend any meaningful time on it, premium is amazing deal. Variety of the content is unbeatable.
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by bastardoperator on Thursday February 16, 2023 @02:03PM (#34823933)
I'm happy to part ways with a couple of bucks for an ad free experience. I use youtube everyday. Entitlement is thinking you should have a certain premium experience on someone else's dime (you).
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by chucksta on Thursday February 16, 2023 @02:24PM (#34824335)
A major benefit of paying for it is easily supporting more creators without directly donating. They get pittance for ad rolls but substantially more for premium views.
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by peruvian on Thursday February 16, 2023 @01:58PM (#34823842)
If you really don't want to pay $15/mo, sign up using a VPN in a developing country. They don't check or care. You will need a fake address as well.
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by jabroni_salad on Thursday February 16, 2023 @02:54PM (#34824845)
Just not ARS. Apparently they now check if the credit card making the payment is linked to an Argentinian bank.
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by justapassenger on Thursday February 16, 2023 @02:02PM (#34823917)
I'm in the same boat (as a user - paying for premium and consuming a lot of videos). I think app is pretty good, but search is horrible. Their recommendations in the feed are top notch, so I always have something interesting to watch. But searching for new topics returns garbage.
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by SkyPuncher on Thursday February 16, 2023 @02:28PM (#34824399)
I don't currently pay for premium, but have and am considering it again with Netflix pulling their BS.

Nothing about Youtube the platform needs to change. It just works.

Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by bobro on Thursday February 16, 2023 @02:37PM (#34824538)
Same. Really like YT. The algorithm is not great, but compared to other parts of the internet, YT is top tier for me.
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by clircle on Thursday February 16, 2023 @01:37PM (#34823421)
Because those stock prices gotta go up
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by dmonitor on Thursday February 16, 2023 @01:43PM (#34823546)
The nature of The Algorithm and its tendency to decide who gets to be a millionaire leads to a TON of metagaming. I think the algorithm needs to be non-static just so content on the website doesn’t homogenize. They often make subtle tweaks to the website for seemingly no reason, but I think a lot of it is just to prevent metagaming.
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by xxpor on Thursday February 16, 2023 @02:08PM (#34824030)
There's no incentive there (until users start leaving)

The algorithm's goal is to maximize revenue or profit, and what does that doesn't change that dynamically. This means the metagame is inevitable. You're essentially asking for YouTube to cut their goal for an unclear long term benefit, and we all know how those conversations tend to go.

Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by eastbound on Thursday February 16, 2023 @02:16PM (#34824188)
> The nature of The Algorithm and its tendency to decide who gets to be a millionaire leads to a TON of metagaming.

Every corporation owning more than 50% of a market should be broken up. But then, USA wouldn’t reign on the international culture.

Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by kleiba on Thursday February 16, 2023 @01:57PM (#34823816)
> Bring back dislike count.

Not to mention "sort by oldest first".

Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by kbns on Thursday February 16, 2023 @02:30PM (#34824442)
use 'before:$year' ( eg. "funny clips before:2018" ) is our current saviour.
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by kleiba on Thursday February 16, 2023 @04:38PM (#34826731)
Is there a key to restrict the search results to a specific channel?
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by AstixAndBelix on Thursday February 16, 2023 @01:58PM (#34823833)
>Why does everything have to keep innovating?

would you like to remove the ability to add labeled chapters to your videos? would you like to remove browseable transcriptions to videos?

Youtube has a ton of things that it still needs to add, such as embedding multiple audio streams so you can have more than one audio language in the same video (I think they are testing it currently), or being able to better modify a video after you've uploaded it. Adding audio normalization to ads so they are not louder than the video they appear in? Still waiting.

Point is, there is a ton to innovate and I think you are quickly forgetting all those useful features that came in the last 10 years that were't there before

Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by llampx on Thursday February 16, 2023 @02:40PM (#34824595)
Those are technical improvements. Most people complain about changes to the UX that make things worse or change things around for seemingly no reason.
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by bobro on Thursday February 16, 2023 @02:47PM (#34824698)
I think theres a difference between innovating and polishing. I would love YT to polish the product, but don’t want it to innovate itself into something other than a medium length video hosting platform.
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by intrasight on Thursday February 16, 2023 @01:35PM (#34823372)
For me, as a consumer of video content that I find with google video search, YouTube is just a video host and no different than any other video host that Google crawl. The vast majority of those searches for me pertain to hands-on DIY projects where videos are very useful to learn how to perform some process - like laying floors (a recent one for me). I would never visit youtube.com directly as I've learned that it's incentives are very different. But most of the really useful content that I find is in fact hosted on YouTube, so the service is in fact extremely useful for DIYers. And I do often find in those videos tools or supplies that make sense to purchase, and I often click on the producers affiliate links in the video.
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by zxienin on Thursday February 16, 2023 @01:41PM (#34823513)
Change of leadership is not necessarily = innovation
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by chippiewill on Thursday February 16, 2023 @01:11PM (#34822845)
> showing videos where dislike to like ratio is very high

That's because Youtube prioritizes engagement over quality. You make more money that way.

Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by GVIrish on Thursday February 16, 2023 @01:28PM (#34823212)
Bingo. This has made me spend a lot less time on Youtube because recommended content and search are worse for me. If I'm searching for a marine biology video I don't want to see recommendations for clickbait influencers 3 results in. I used to go down random rabbit holes when I found related interesting content, but now that just doesn't happen very much anymore.
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by moffkalast on Thursday February 16, 2023 @01:18PM (#34822994)
> to continue to innovate

Like they innovated by blatantly ripping off tiktok and added "shorts"? Yeah best if they just stay exactly what they are.

Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by moremetadata on Thursday February 16, 2023 @02:08PM (#34824026)
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by ignoramous on Thursday February 16, 2023 @01:10PM (#34822830)
I thought YouTube did really well under Wojcicki's leadership.
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by gjsman-1000 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @01:39PM (#34823473)
Well.... not really.

- Why does seemingly every channel I follow, whether it be JCS Criminal Psychology or The 8-bit Guy, have to mention the YouTube Algorithm, Content ID, Copyright Strikes, or Community Guidelines? If almost every creator is struggling and not just the fringe and edgy, you've screwed up big time.

- Removal of the dislike count. Extremely unpopular decision. Also YouTube's API is still answering dislike counts making extensions to bring it back still function, despite over a year later, almost implying it was about keeping up appearances. Now... who could be so worried about keeping up appearances...

- Completely blowing up YouTube Rewind into an increasingly corporate affair that quickly started heading downhill until the absolute train wreck of 2018, where it became the most disliked video in YouTube history at that point. Rewind never recovered and YouTube has now given up trying to engage with the community in such a way.

- Taking a 5-second ad at the beginning of her tenure, and leaving it with multiple, constant, unskippable, rampant advertising; and a subscription plan that started at $10/mo. turning into $23/mo. for equivalent service (5 users).

- Launched YouTube Kids to provide a curated experience for younger individuals, then decided to make it run on automation. Which then screwed up big time and started serving kids extremely inappropriate content causing a brief congressional inquiry. Then YouTube settled as guilty to violating COPAA, and decided to shift all the responsibility on the creators by disabling comments and other features on any video that may possibly be seen by kids.

Some "success"...

Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by blululu on Thursday February 16, 2023 @02:11PM (#34824088)
FWIW I think there are more or less two very distinct experiences/use cycles of YouTube. There is the one where people get to it from outside (mostly Google Search) and the one where people get to it from within YouTube itself. As someone who falls into the casual Google search category the latter class of serious YouTube user is just alien to me. The 2018 Rewind video was pretty bonkers stupid to me, but, to me, it also looks more or less the same as the 2017 rewind video. How you feel about YouTube is probably a function of how you use it.
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by johannes1234321 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:11PM (#34825168)
> If almost every creator is struggling and not just the fringe and edgy, you've screwed up big time.

Whatever algorithm YouTube uses professional uploaders will try to maximize their views, which goes by acting as the algorithm requires. In a competitive environment there is a inherent struggle.

Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by c3534l on Thursday February 16, 2023 @02:03PM (#34823929)
Downvotes are hidden now. I'm not sure they actually have enough information to determine video quality anymore. Its all about gaming the algorithm's "engagement" metrics. No one cares if you enjoyed yourself any longer.
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by ajhurliman on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:16PM (#34825277)
The dislike button is still there, they just don’t want to show the results to advertisers. If advertisers can see the ratio, they start complaining about being associated with “problematic “ content.

They probably want to show viewers, but you can’t reveal the stats to only one group.

Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by c3534l on Thursday February 16, 2023 @05:20PM (#34827340)
Yeah, but because its hidden, people don't use it anymore.
Re:YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is stepping down by theGnuMe on Thursday February 16, 2023 @02:03PM (#34823940)
By all metrics except TikTok YouTube is the 900 pound gorilla eating streaming.