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Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by samwillis on Thursday January 19, 2023 @04:37PM (#34445966)
There was a quite moving exchange between Twitterrific and a customer earlier:

> Customer: This makes me so sad. Your iPhone app allowed me as a blind person to use Twitter so much better than the app that they themselves produce. Sorry for the hostility you are receiving from them, but know that you are appreciated for the hard work you’ve done.

> Twitterrific: Maybe the best thing anyone's ever told us. Thank you for this, truly. It is everything. Please take care.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RustyHilliard77/status/1616174474...

Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by barbazoo on Thursday January 19, 2023 @04:57PM (#34446219)
That's heartbreaking
Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by pavlov on Thursday January 19, 2023 @05:22PM (#34446514)
The problem facing Twitter 2.0 is that Musk is personally driving product development and he has essentially no empathy for users.

Can you blame him? He hasn’t needed it until now. His companies either specialize in binary-outcome engineering challenges (rocket flies/explodes) or products where Musk himself is the user, like a kid designing his own toys (and calling them “S/3/X/Y”). Turns out that a lot of people want to drive the car that he wants to drive himself, so he probably thinks this impeccable taste applies to any kind of product.

But Twitter, unlike a car, is used by hundreds of millions of people in thousands of completely different ways. He has no idea of what the experience is like for someone with only a handful of followers, or blind, or trans, or Algerian, or retired, a teenage girl, a suicidal anorexic, etc. etc. — and he doesn’t seem at all interested in trying to understand.

Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by madeofpalk on Thursday January 19, 2023 @05:27PM (#34446569)
Yes, I can blame him.

It was reasonably obvious to other people - those who have and have not ran a rocket company - that running Twitter is different to running Tesla.

If you’re blindsided by your own ego, it’s your fault and you’re to blame.

Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by hourago on Thursday January 19, 2023 @05:42PM (#34446698)
A company with thousands of employees and the CEO is micromanaging developers.

I do not think that the problem is empathy.

It's about not understanding his role in the company. It's about not understanding collaboration, team work or leadership.

He does lack empathy, thou.

Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by actionfromafar on Thursday January 19, 2023 @05:51PM (#34446765)
I think these things you list, are what empathy is used for. (Among others.)
Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by justinator on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:06PM (#34446897)
> A company with thousands of employees

Well to be fair, there's several thousand less employees now.

Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by d23 on Thursday January 19, 2023 @05:32PM (#34446612)
> Can you blame him?

Yes, chiefly so.

Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by tomcam on Thursday January 19, 2023 @05:30PM (#34446596)
> he has essentially no empathy for users

Mindreading much?

Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by WarChortle on Thursday January 19, 2023 @05:33PM (#34446623)
I don't think he is mindreading, just forming an opinion based on Elon's actions recently.
Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by nickthegreek on Thursday January 19, 2023 @05:32PM (#34446615)
More like reading the room.
Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by uncletammy on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:07PM (#34446899)
> The problem facing Twitter 2.0 is that Musk is personally driving product development and he has essentially no empathy for users.

The problem facing Twitter 2.0 is that Musk is personally driving product development and 𝘩𝘦 𝘩𝘢𝘴 𝘦𝘴𝘴𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 𝘯𝘰 𝘦𝘮𝘱𝘢𝘵𝘩𝘺.

I fixed that for ya

Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by btown on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:40PM (#34447238)
And for those who might argue that Musk has empathy for the survival of the future of humanity - (a) this isn't empathy by any technical definition, and (b) even if it was, and he was truly committed to it, his specific rash actions at Twitter are far from an optimal execution of any kind of strategy to ensure that survival.
Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by fortituded0002 on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:35PM (#34447192)
> Can you blame him?

Absolutely. Good business owners know their limits and how to utilize people that have the skills they don't have. It doesn't matter if he "hasn't needed to do it before." He's an adult with multiple companies under his belt. He should absolutely know better and that fact that he doesn't is breaking trust consumers have with his ability to lead efffectively.

Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by gergov on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:50PM (#34447315)
"Not everybody is like me" would be the number 1, number 2 and number 3 advice I would give to anyone who's trying to start an online business. Like in a "How about you do that as a mantra for 10 hours a day" kind of way, because it's truly astonishing how many people don't get that.

So if you want to cut costs on sales and marketing in your startup, internalize that, because customer acquisition costs are directly related to your not understanding of that principle.

Good thing such a high profile influencer will hammer that point home!

Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by micromacrofoot on Thursday January 19, 2023 @05:27PM (#34446566)
It really is huge for people that need it, we should all try to remember this. When you include accessibility you're opening up a door for people who are constantly walking into doors they can't open.
Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by paxys on Thursday January 19, 2023 @05:46PM (#34446725)
Considering Musk fired all the engineers working on accessibility, I don't expect the official app to improve for the better anytime soon.
Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by aeternum on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:08PM (#34446913)
If the accessibility team failed at making the app accessible, firing them might actually improve things.
Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by rurp on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:35PM (#34447194)
Apps don't magically become accessible by neglect. It takes a deliberate and ongoing effort.
Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by kevingadd on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:12PM (#34446949)
Not unless you replace them
Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by wlesieutre on Thursday January 19, 2023 @05:49PM (#34446748)
And somehow I don't think accessibility in the official Twitter app is about to get any better, having fired their accessibility team

https://twitter.com/owswills/status/1588625105101664256

Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by fsckboy on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:03PM (#34446854)
note to the downvoters: I'm interpreting what TFA says, and you are all adding in other information I have not seen and, if it's true, should have been included in TFA.

hey, call me autistic (I won't complain) but I don't like that/how/when people are emotionally moved that they then say things that facially don't even make sense, but people who are moved by it have no interest in tracking what was said.

> Maybe the best thing anyone's ever told us. Thank you for this, truly. It is everything.

no, it's not everything; if it were everything then you'd keep producing your product for people such as this, but you are discontinuing the product for your own reasons. Which, reading in between the other lines you wrote, I suspect indicate that they have been moved to make these moves by tribal inclination.

> an unannounced and undocumented policy change by an increasingly capricious Twitter – a Twitter that we no longer recognize as trustworthy nor want to work with any longer.

nothing about their trying to resolve this with Twitter, nothing about the technical changes that perhaps we could understand why Twitter made them (to protect itself against spammers or one-way siphoning of customer to competitors, etc.) what we are left to conclude is that they are taking their ball and going home because Elon Musk gives them vapors because he's not allowed to one of the cool kids any more.

Twitter has made frustrating (to people who were using them) changes to their APIs before, but it was never about good vs evil, or who gets to be in our club and who doesn't, it was "well, that's business, after all it's Twitter's API".

Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by madeofpalk on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:08PM (#34446909)
> but you are discontinuing the product for your own reasons.

This is not correct (or, is misstating the reality). They're discontinuing their product because Twitter banned their API keys/developer account and no longer supports third party clients through their API. There is no longer a supported API for Twitterific to use.

Unsure if you're familiar with what happened over the past week, but twitter revoked their access without any announcement or communications. Openly hostile towards developers using the API.

To continue developing and supporting Twitterific would be to fight against someone/a company who does not want them.

Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by fsckboy on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:11PM (#34446935)
then why wouldn't they just say that rather than leaving it out and saying a bunch of other stuff? Why say they don't want to work with Twitter when they clearly would rather work with Twitter if the API was still available to them?

like I said, all your words taken together need to make sense, or they are open to reinterpretation and critique. This is the autistic way of sentence analysis.

Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by lexandstuff on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:22PM (#34447061)
They said that in the opening paragraph: "We are sorry to say that the app's sudden and undignified demise is due to an unannounced and undocumented policy change by an increasingly capricious Twitter". That sentence links to this post which explains in more detail what happened: https://blog.iconfactory.com/2023/01/state-of-the-twitterver...
Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by fsckboy on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:30PM (#34447134)
that's too oblique, the term "policy change" could refer to a change in the price, for example, or a change in the privacy policy
Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by philistine on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:41PM (#34447243)
Here's my two cents: it's oblique because they're talking to lawyers about suing Twitter and want to keep their options open.
Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by madeofpalk on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:48PM (#34447292)
Having followed these people for quite a number of years, it would surprise me if that’s the case. They seem to just want to move past this whole thing and not drag it out with a lawsuit, hence discontinuing the app.
Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by Sunspark on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:32PM (#34447157)
The API third party clients use to connect was disconnected. The app literally cannot connect to Twitter anymore. There is nothing they can do, other than writing a web scraper, which isn't worth it.

I don't agree with the unannounced disconnection of the API, as there was room for compromise, such as third party clients only available to people who pay the subscription to Twitter, but alas, the new corporate direction is that they want the ads to go through, and that wasn't happening at all with the third party clients.

Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by camjohnson26 on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:13PM (#34446970)
I don’t know if you’ve been paying any attention but Twitter nuked the API keys for the most popular 3rd party apps with no warning and no point of contact to appeal. Blaming on the app developer is willfully blind.
Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by fsckboy on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:18PM (#34447022)
if I have not seen this information, as you suggest I have not, therefore I am not willfully blind, as you also suggest I am. Make all your words hang together in coherent thoughts.
Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by camjohnson26 on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:37PM (#34447209)
Not doing basic due diligence on a topic you’re commenting on is willful blindness, that’s literally the definition. You seem to demand pedantically accurate statements from everyone but yourself.
Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by jeromegv on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:09PM (#34446922)
You are totally misreading the situation. They are FORCED to shut down the product because Twitter just changed their terms of service today and banned all 3rd party apps. There is nothing else to do, there is no "choice" here. 3rd party client apps are not allowed by the API terms of service, that's it.
Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by fsckboy on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:12PM (#34446961)
i answered a similar comment in a parallel thread, but if that's what happened they should just say that and not say "we don't want to work with twitter anyway" when in fact they do.
Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by madeofpalk on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:41PM (#34447246)
This is a post to the users of an app that hasn’t been working for the past week. That context is understood by the intended audience.
Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by ajbourg on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:11PM (#34446947)
What actions would you propose when Twitter has turned off their API access and basically ignored all requests by developers, users and the media for an explanation?
Re:Twitterrific Has Been Discontinued by fsckboy on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:16PM (#34446999)
i would propose that they write what you wrote, and not what they did write which says something different than what you are saying.