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Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by bjourne on Thursday January 05, 2023 @07:21AM (#34258719)
It's funny how different the atmosphere is on the various stack exchanges. On many other sites that question would have been closed with the rational "Needs more focus."
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by lopis on Thursday January 05, 2023 @07:32AM (#34258816)
"Closed as duplicate: how to draw a donut."
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by Rexxar on Thursday January 05, 2023 @08:04AM (#34259056)
Topologically they are both Genus 1 surface
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by foobarbecue on Thursday January 05, 2023 @08:28AM (#34259267)
I mean... only if you're somehow including a mouth along with the butt... and modeling a digestive system as a tube.
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by JKCalhoun on Thursday January 05, 2023 @09:21AM (#34259876)
Never heard it called a mouth before.
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by hgsgm on Thursday January 05, 2023 @09:42AM (#34260184)
Mouth is the start of the hole that ends at the anus.
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by 867-5309 on Thursday January 05, 2023 @10:08AM (#34260604)
where can I buy a compendium of these definitions?
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by frereubu on Thursday January 05, 2023 @10:51AM (#34261443)
And AFAIK that tube is one of the first physiological structures that forms in an embryo when it folds its two sides over.
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by dotancohen on Thursday January 05, 2023 @10:26AM (#34260950)
Interestingly, in Hebrew it actually is called "the mouth of the ring", which if I'm not mistaken is a translation of a German phrase. But I'm at work, not comfortably confirming that right now.
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by dahfizz on Thursday January 05, 2023 @11:49AM (#34262623)
The digestive system is a tube. You have a continuous hole from your mouth to anus. The human body is a meat tube.
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by addandsubtract on Thursday January 05, 2023 @07:08PM (#34268945)
Relevant vsauce video: https://youtu.be/egEraZP9yXQ
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by scotty79 on Thursday January 05, 2023 @11:27AM (#34262200)
What about nostrils?
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by tyho on Thursday January 05, 2023 @07:42AM (#34258909)
Note the year. 2014 was a very different time on the internet.
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by manimino on Thursday January 05, 2023 @08:29AM (#34259270)
What made internet culture change so much after 2014?
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by TeMPOraL on Thursday January 05, 2023 @08:36AM (#34259337)
The second Eternal September, directly related to the rise of social media, which I think was ultimately fueled by the mass adoption of smartphones.

Before, the Internet was mostly inhabited by people who wanted to do something specific, and were at least minimally invested - they had to actively use a computer to access things on-line. Nowadays, the Internet is inhabited mostly by people ready to judge you while sitting on a bus, because their phone buzzed them a notification that their friend retweeted a story about some stranger being outraged that some other stranger retweeted a link to your SE question.

Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by dwringer on Thursday January 05, 2023 @08:52AM (#34259489)
I think of that more of an eternal Summer of 2007 since that's when the iPhone came out, and anecdotally the shift in society was well underway by 2010. I'm not sure we could use this to explain things are necessarily that different today than in 2014.

I am tempted to think the amount I have used social media and my smartphone has actually declined since 2014, and in the case of facebook I suppose it considerably has, but I'm not sure I haven't just replaced it with other compulsive clicks. So in that sense I must agree things have probably escalated a bit, but I can't point to a single event over the past decade to create a turning point.

Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by pard68 on Thursday January 05, 2023 @08:58AM (#34259604)
I agree, 2007 is closer to the epicenter. However, I also think the shift away from social media and cell phones is rather uncommon. I have had no social media for almost a decade, but we are few and far between.
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by titzer on Thursday January 05, 2023 @09:39AM (#34260132)
People still "have" it but it's mostly a ghost town. That's maybe a function of your friend group, but I have a feeling that younger people do not use Facebook for dating and adventure like they did in, say, 2008 (when I got an account).
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by IIAOPSW on Thursday January 05, 2023 @10:11AM (#34260653)
Does reddit without the redesign count as social media? if not I've been off since 2011. If so, why doesn't hn count?
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by hunter2_ on Thursday January 05, 2023 @10:53AM (#34261488)
Not by my definition:

A main difference between {MySpace, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc.} and {reddit, hn, chronological forums, etc.} is that the former heavily rely on following/friending (i.e, establishing your social network) while the latter do not. Thus, the latter are not "social media" in the sense of media existing in a social network.

Also, I find that when replying to something in the former I'm thinking about the person (I know them, in some sense) and what they said, while in the latter I'm thinking almost exclusively about what they said (I probably don't know the person). The latter lacks that social element.

Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by HN_is_for_gemes on Thursday January 05, 2023 @10:45AM (#34261322)
You are on a social media app right now. Why don't people seem to understand this? Maybe what has changed is that everybody on the internet is just a moron nowadays?
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by yamtaddle on Thursday January 05, 2023 @11:01AM (#34261660)
No personalized feed, no "friending", no statuses, no social network.

If every forum qualifies, you're using the term so broadly that it's useless. That's what everyone else understands, which is making it seem to you like they're missing something you see. They're not.

Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by layer8 on Thursday January 05, 2023 @11:07AM (#34261822)
But upvotes/downvotes, karma, and a non-chronological feed (both for submissions and for comments in threads). Those already do some damage.
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by TeMPOraL on Friday January 06, 2023 @08:42PM (#34284111)
> a non-chronological feed

For comments that's mostly a consequence of a tree-based commenting model, whose huge benefits over linear model more than offset any "damage" caused by it not being strictly chronological.

Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by dang on Thursday January 05, 2023 @02:18PM (#34265016)
We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by HN_is_for_gemes on Thursday January 05, 2023 @10:43AM (#34261287)
You are on social media right now.
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by eezurr on Thursday January 05, 2023 @11:36AM (#34262391)
Surprised I havent come across any sites that are computer-only. Seems like it would be a good natural filter.
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by janlaureys on Thursday January 05, 2023 @08:34AM (#34259327)
The change started well before 2014 but social media mostly.
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by brigandish on Thursday January 05, 2023 @09:44AM (#34260217)
I would say it changed after 2016, the Brexit vote and Trump winning the presidency seemed to signal to the big social media companies that they needed to make changes, and this spread to many other sites too, perhaps with social momentum or perhaps simply because Google or Facebook et al can limit a site's audience if it won't act in a certain way.
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by PurpleRamen on Thursday January 05, 2023 @09:56AM (#34260410)
The kids grew up. It's not really the internet that changed much, but the people being active on the Internet and responsible for content and sites simply became older, more opinionated, more educated, sometimes more damaged. Society simply matured and people stopped playing around.
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by ajsnigrutin on Thursday January 05, 2023 @10:18AM (#34260780)
Things got corporate.

What was once a bunch of individual sites, forums, chatrooms, etc., is now concentrated on a few companies (facebook, google, reddit,...), which are not that interested in content, but more into advertising and pleasing advertisers, and earning money, and advertisers, and ads and money, and less on their users.

This meant that everything had to be policitally correct (unless it was deemed acceptable to target a specific group), moderators got more powers, more thought bubbles and echo chambers... and now everything is going slowly downhill.

Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by HN_is_for_gemes on Thursday January 05, 2023 @10:46AM (#34261350)
Also, we let women and children take over. It used to be adult men that were mostly on the internet but it's not worth advertising to adult men because we don't buy much. Nearly 90% of all purchases are made by women for women and children. So if you're selling s** you're selling it to women and children. Men simply don't buy enough s** to justify advertising to them. As soon as women and children got online that was the beginning of the end.
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by bumby on Thursday January 05, 2023 @11:24AM (#34262156)
>Nearly 90% of all purchases are made by women for women and children.

Hate to be that person, but do you have a source for that claim?

According to a quick search of BLS data, single men outspent single women on food and cars, and comparable amounts on entertainment. Women spent more than men on clothing, but men outspent women overall.

[1] https://www.bls.gov/cex/tables.htm

Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by Larrikin on Thursday January 05, 2023 @11:50AM (#34262638)
When a comment seems ridiculous, it's usually worth looking at the posting history to see if the account should be taken seriously.
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by ajsnigrutin on Thursday January 05, 2023 @11:50AM (#34262650)
Those numbers were from multiple business magazines not that long ago (well not as high as op above used but very high still)

eg:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bridgetbrennan/2015/01/21/top-1...

> Women drive 70-80% of all consumer purchasing, through a combination of their buying power and influence. Influence means that even when a woman isn’t paying for something herself, she is often the influence or veto vote behind someone else’s purchase.

Also this https://hbr.org/2009/09/the-female-economy

> Women make the decision in the purchases of 94% of home furnishings…92% of vacations…91% of homes… 60% of automobiles…51% of consumer electronics

Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by bumby on Thursday January 05, 2023 @05:05PM (#34267520)
Unfortunately, that survey doesn't seem like something that can be heavily relied on. For one, they only surveyed women. It's unclear if the men in the same household would give similar or different estimates. They also don't define what is meant by "influencing" a decision. When you try to go to the link to learn more about the survey methodology, the link redirects to https://breastfeeding-mom.com/ instead.

I think the BLS is probably better data.

Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by notduncansmith on Thursday January 05, 2023 @10:20AM (#34260834)
I think 2016 was a big turning point for US (and to some extent global) culture, where politics became a 24/7 spectacle for many that had been previously disengaged. I think all that energy then carried over to lots of pursuits that people didn’t take too seriously before.
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by golemotron on Thursday January 05, 2023 @10:49AM (#34261394)
Humor was made illegal around 2014.
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by thomassmith65 on Thursday January 05, 2023 @12:56PM (#34263716)
I think actually the pivotal moment was the Charlottesville rally in late 2017.

The way I recall the key events:

• 2008~ – The rise of smart phones and social media floods the internet with less sophisticated (for lack of a better word) people.

• 2011 – 'Occupy Wall St' kicks off a wave of internet populism and paranoia.

• 2015~ – Europe's migrant crisis and a wave of terrorism (ie: Bataclan massacre) inflames the populist anger, making it nastier and uglier.

At this point, social media platforms start to resemble 4chan, but the prevailing attitude in techis still, almost universally, that sunlight is the best disinfectant.

• 2016 – Brexit vote, Trump election. I speculate that people around this time began to question the wisdom of too much freedom on the internet.

• 2017 – Charlottesville 'Unite the Right' rally. There was an explosion of online discussion after the rally where many people defected from online free-speech absolutism.

Since Charlottesville, many online services began to adopt stricter moderation.

Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by OwlsParlay on Thursday January 05, 2023 @09:43AM (#34260201)
I don't think it was that different on the internet per se, but SE itself was relatively young at that point and more lax with its own rules. This early period is when you also had funny answers for bad questions, like using RegEx to parse HTML.

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open...

Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by mcv on Thursday January 05, 2023 @11:36AM (#34262388)
I also recall answers solving simple problems with an overuse of jQuery. Some answers got comments "not enough jQuery".
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by VeninVidiaVicii on Thursday January 05, 2023 @10:22AM (#34260866)
This is something I’ve been contemplating way too much lately.

I’m 37, but I look back at the internet I don’t really remember anything feeling like an overnight paradigm shift. But, revisiting moments like this buttocks post are like relics frozen in time — and I definitely feel like things are different and more streamlined in the internet now.

The internet became a streamlined hate-filled echo chamber so slowly that I never saw it happening.

Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by Cthulhu_ on Thursday January 05, 2023 @10:31AM (#34261034)
It was a slow process, usually following money; you see it in communities like Stack Overflow and even moreso Reddit, the latter of which started out as a "bastion of free speech", but after a while they started to crack down; first on hate subreddits and speech, then de-prioritizing NSFW content from /r/all (the only way to get everything without publically subscribing to porn subreddits) (and I'm sure that will be removed entirely if they want to go public).

I'm not sure what happened to SO, I can imagine their intent was to improve quality and reduce duplication - both bad for e.g. Google ratings or returning users. But the funny posts made it a living community. Removing the fun parts of a site like that makes it sterile.

I mean there's still e.g. codegolf, worldbuilding or the D&D spaces that are kinda funny sometimes.

Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by Cupertino95014 on Thursday January 05, 2023 @11:31AM (#34262293)
You're overlooking the obvious answer: some people think humor itself is offensive.
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by CodeMage on Thursday January 05, 2023 @11:48AM (#34262611)
I wouldn't call that "obvious".

For starters, it's incomplete. Yes, "some" people think humor itself is offensive. I would wager that there have always been some people like that, since humor itself was invented. How does that relate to what happened to Stack Overflow?

To make your answer complete, you have to connect the remaining dots, and there are multiple ways to do that. Thing is, none of those ways are "obvious".

For example, you could posit that the majority of people find humor offensive today, as opposed to 2014, but I don't see any evidence that's even true, much less obvious.

More likely, you're implying that the majority of people who have influence over Stack Overflow's tone consider the humor itself offensive. If that's obvious to you, it sure isn't to me.

Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by Cupertino95014 on Thursday January 05, 2023 @12:03PM (#34262847)
It's an opinion and an open-ended discussion topic. I have my opinion, and you apparently have yours.

Are you expecting a link to a scientific study proving it, or what?

Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by CodeMage on Thursday January 05, 2023 @12:08PM (#34262936)
I'm not. I was just trying to find out what you're actually trying to say, instead of going against HN "most generous take" policy and assuming it's a political stance ;)
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by Cupertino95014 on Thursday January 05, 2023 @12:21PM (#34263157)
> what you're actually trying to say

.. is what I said. Why can't you just leave it at that?

Most of this thread is humorous, or trying to be. I don't see you answering every other post in it.

Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by cat_plus_plus on Thursday January 05, 2023 @08:06AM (#34259090)
Among people who are actually into drawing, photography etc, human body is much less of a taboo. For example, to just shoot a basic portrait pleasant enough to hang on the wall, one needs to consider subject's gender, age, body shape and skin tone - for his or her own enjoyment of your work. In the same way, I would imagine you have to first draw buttocks to eventually proceduraly draw a passable clothed person, which has many important applications in art, gaming and even education, medicine, ergonomic design...
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by Scarblac on Thursday January 05, 2023 @08:27AM (#34259252)
Or migrated to Mathematica, they obviously do that stuff there.
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by HomeLine on Thursday January 05, 2023 @11:18AM (#34262037)
Judging by the comments in this thread, I can see why. The signal-to-noise here is drastically low.
Re:How do I draw a pair of buttocks? by blablabla123 on Thursday January 05, 2023 @11:32AM (#34262326)
Yeah the mathematics related SE sites seem to be very rational about mathematical problems