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Re:FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail by csense on Thursday December 22, 2022 @05:50PM (#34099992)
> on bail for a $250 million bond — secured only on his parents’ home in Palo Alto

Wait what? How does that work? I thought if the bond was $X, that literally means you either (a) give the court $X, cash only or (b) sit in jail until trial.

How can his bond be set at $250 million, yet the court somehow isn't just making him sit in jail until and unless he either goes to trial and is found not guilty, or he coughs up $250 million?

Re:FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail by hollerith on Thursday December 22, 2022 @05:54PM (#34100038)
A financial intermediary trusted by the court pledges to pay the court the 250M if SBF flees and the intermediary cannot find him and take him back into custody.

For typical bail amounts i.e., $50k, the intermediary usually demands 10% of the $50k from the defendant (and his friends) as a deposit, but maybe SBF found an intermediary willing to make the pledge to the court for a deposit significantly less than 10% of the 250M.

Re:FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail by csense on Thursday December 22, 2022 @06:14PM (#34100239)
Okay so it's basically a bail bond, sign over the $2M house to get the bondsman to post $250M bond.

What bondsman has $250M? Even if they did, why would they ever agree to this?

Isn't getting $2M from a defendant on a bail bond less than even the interest you could probably get by just putting your $250M in, say, a Treasury bond over the same timeframe?

For that matter, who's willing to bet $250M at 99-to-1 payout odds that a smart guy like SBF won't be able to disappear and pop up in Dubai or somewhere with no extradition to the US? (Remember SBF probably had the means, motive, opportunity and moral character to siphon a couple hundred million worth of BTC into a wallet there are no records of. And he knew for a long time FTX was going to collapse and he was probably being investigated.)

Re:FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail by jacquesm on Thursday December 22, 2022 @06:17PM (#34100279)
You also need to factor in the cost of plastic surgery and a new identity because I guarantee that if he 'just' skips to Dubai he won't be safe.
Re:FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail by wombatpm on Thursday December 22, 2022 @07:29PM (#34100879)
Nah, he just needs a haircut and decent wardrobe and no one would recognize him.
Re:FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail by DonHopkins on Thursday December 22, 2022 @07:43PM (#34100973)
Plus a lot of shampoo or Dawn dishwashing detergent to wash out all that unctuous grease of effective altruism.
Re:FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail by 111111101101 on Thursday December 22, 2022 @07:57PM (#34101068)
People say this kind of thing all the time but I'm yet to see an internet scammer get their comeuppance. That includes people who have been identified after running exit scamming darknet markets. My guess would be that when it comes to online fraud, people are more willing to swallow it because it doesn't seem so real.
Re:FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail by jacquesm on Thursday December 22, 2022 @08:44PM (#34101390)
Re:FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail by mhb on Thursday December 22, 2022 @09:08PM (#34101562)
And? Are you saying she's dead, got plastic surgery, is very good at hiding? Or what?
Re:FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail by jacquesm on Thursday December 22, 2022 @09:21PM (#34101649)
Any one of those I guess. I'm not going to make that call, Interpol has a warrant out and nothing happened as a result of that so if she's hiding she's very good at it (which may well include plastic surgery) and if she's dead she did in fact get her comeuppance and then some.
Re:FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail by dragonwriter on Thursday December 22, 2022 @06:49PM (#34100570)
> Okay so it's basically a bail bond,

It is exactly a bond for bail, yes.

> sign over the $2M house to get the bondsman to post $250M bond.

No, there is no bondsman, the house is pledged directly to the court as security, his parents are additional surety for the $250M, and two other people are signing lesser bonds.

Re:FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail by vkou on Thursday December 22, 2022 @07:42PM (#34100967)
How exactly are his parents able to provide a surety for $250M? Do they have assets worth that much? If not, what's even the point of setting bail at $250M, if you only need to put up $4M in collateral?

Why does he get to do this, while someone with a $50,000 bail has to either put up the entire cash amount, or pay 10% in interest to a bondsman?

Re:FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail by c22 on Thursday December 22, 2022 @08:16PM (#34101208)
The court must be convinced that the parties involved are good for it or they would not have accepted the surety. The point of bail is just to ensure you show up to court, not to collect a windfall of profit for the state.
Re:FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail by csense on Thursday December 22, 2022 @08:16PM (#34101201)
> his parents are additional surety for the $250M

This is an odd phrase.

So what happens if SBF disappears? Do the parents lose their $2M house? Lose their $2M house and become $248M in debt? Go to jail?

What keeps the whole family from simply going on a sudden vacation to Dubai and letting the court take their house? Losing one's childhood home is sad, but stolen Bitcoins can still buy a very nice replacement.

Re:FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail by landemva on Thursday December 22, 2022 @09:25PM (#34101672)
His parents are reported to have a $16M Bahamas property in their names, so they can just go to the other houses they bought with funds from their college professor salaries.
Re:FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail by hintymad on Thursday December 22, 2022 @10:19PM (#34102007)
How can a Palo Alto house be worth only $2M? Or SBF’s parents had only $2M worth of equity on the house?
Re:FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail by MichaelBurge on Thursday December 22, 2022 @06:06PM (#34100140)
> maybe SBF found an intermediary who'd take significently less than 10% of the 250M.

The amount is large enough that even with 1% or 0.1% they could probably pay a professional bounty hunter to tail him for a week, reducing the odds of him escaping.

Re:FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail by danrocks on Thursday December 22, 2022 @06:18PM (#34100287)
Do his backers get the bond money back if he does show up and the process runs without any hiccups?
Re:FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail by dragonwriter on Thursday December 22, 2022 @06:52PM (#34100590)
> Do his backers get the bond money back if he does show up and the process runs without any hiccups?

There is no “bond money”. The $250M he and his parent signed for, including the lesser amount the other sureties are also on the hook for, doesn’t get collected by the court unless their is a failure to appear. The security interest in the home is the only thing actually transferred.

Re:FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail by stanleydrew on Thursday December 22, 2022 @05:55PM (#34100042)
Yeah you have to put up cash or collateral nominally worth (presumably in the court's discretion) the amount of the bond. This report seems incorrect.
Re:FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail by dragonwriter on Thursday December 22, 2022 @06:59PM (#34100642)
> I thought if the bond was $X, that literally means you either (a) give the court $X, cash only or (b) sit in jail until trial.

The simple answer is that you are wrong, that's not how bail and bail bonds work, and its much more complicated than that. Essentially, money bail is a pre-declared failure to appear penalty, and bond is whatever the court accepts as a sufficient promise to pay, which can include purchasing a contract from an official bail agent, having other individuals agree to be on the hook for payment, providing somr property to the court, either physically or a legal claim that allows them to seize it for nonpayment, or a combination of these.

Re:FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail by csense on Thursday December 22, 2022 @08:21PM (#34101232)
Consider Joe Average defendant whose bail is set at $25,000 bail. If Joe tells the judge "Your Honor, I'll sign a paper that says I'll be $25,000 in debt if I don't show up, but my family can only come up with $200 right now" the judge will probably tell him to pound sand and sit in jail until trial.

If SBF tells the judge "Your Honor, I'll sign a paper that says I'll be $250M in debt if I don't show up, but my family can only come up with $2M right now" why did the judge agree and let him out?

What's the fundamental difference, besides just the number of zeros?

Re:FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail by lalopalota on Thursday December 22, 2022 @08:48PM (#34101413)
You missed the part where the defendant's lawyers provide the court the necessary evidence to convince the court that the total value of the bond is available to be confiscated if the defendant doesn't show. Which would apply in both cases you mentioned.
Re:FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail by lmm on Friday December 23, 2022 @12:56AM (#34102710)
So what convinced the court that his parents have $250M available? That would be rather surprising based on what's publicly known about them.