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Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by kornhole on Monday December 12, 2022 @01:26PM (#33958213)
I rotate burner SIM's. I never make calls with the SIM. Instead I use jmp.chat if I need to use OTA calls or SMS. I am in airplane mode 99% of the time and use WIFI instead of cellular. I never activate cellular near my home. I am always connected to VPN so that the traffic cannot be analyzed. My phone is anonymous without any identifiers. I think all this mitigates the baseband attacks, but tell me if I am missing something.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by zer0x4d on Monday December 12, 2022 @04:35PM (#33960730)
From my experience, people who do take this type of an exaggerated approach often end up exposing themselves more in ways that they don't even realize...

How do you pay for jmp.chat? Do you trust their code to be bug-free and without possible exploits? Do they do regular security audits and code reviews? Do they have enough users and maintainers to be able to quickly detect and address security issues? Are you sure Airplane Mode turns off the baseband and cuts off all cellular communication? It doesn't, you can still emergency receive alerts in Airplane Mode. Your phone can tell exactly where you are by comparing your wifi search results + RSSIs to known public databases without even having to use GPS. How much do you trust your VPN provider to keep no logs? How do you pay for VPN?

Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by kace91 on Monday December 12, 2022 @05:19PM (#33961242)
All that plus the fact that, under general surveillance, behaving in a way that is consistent with avoiding tracking at great inconvenience is a great way to get flagged.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by kornhole on Monday December 12, 2022 @05:44PM (#33961536)
jmp.chat can be paid for with a virtual card and not tied to any ID. However I have it associated to my real ID in this case as it is the number everybody knows.

I use the word 'mitigate' not 'solve' since closed source baseband modems are a problem. Cellular traffic is off in airplane mode, but the baseband could be exploited if someone wanted to find me AND knew which IMEI to target. Because the IMEI has never been associated to me, that is a challenge.

I run my own VPN and share it with a few other people.

Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by zer0x4d on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @03:27AM (#33966161)
>I run my own VPN and share it with a few other people.

How confident are you in your VPN server configuration skills? Gaining access through mis-configured self-hosted boxes is the easiest attack vector usually as most people who self-host aren't experts in the software they are using leading to leaks. Besides that, do you keep a list of packages installed on your box, open ports, etc? How about security patches and regular updates as well as auditing access logs to ensure no one gained access to your box?

Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by iudqnolq on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @07:40AM (#33968102)
We're talking about the FBI here. They see traffic coming from a server. The ask who's server it is, your host tells them your name and address. The FBI asks the host for physical access to the server, and installs whatever monitoring they want regardless of your patch schedule. The FBI asks them to keep this off the access logs, and they do.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by kornhole on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @11:17AM (#33970885)
You might be assuming I am trying to evade an APT or I am of any interest to them. That is a fun rabbit hole to go down, and I realize they could spend resources to pursue these avenues. Other comments summarily say that if you try to protect your privacy too much, you automatically become a person of interest. The measures employed by an APT to target and monitor someone at these levels are expensive. They do have abundant resources, but they would be wasting much money and lose focus if they targeted every privacy seeking person. After spending thousands of dollars, they would find nothing interesting on me other than someone with above average tech knowledge who just doesn't like to be followed around. The suggestion that I am flagging myself for surveillance is ridiculous. If I am wrong, I hope they do surveil me to learn this themselves.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by BizarroLand on Monday December 12, 2022 @07:08PM (#33962473)
I'm willing to bet that if you generate roughly the same data as your peers, you're invisible, but if you generate NO data at all, you become worthy of checking into, as either the algorithm has no ability to correctly record your data or you are working very hard to hide yourself from the system, possibly for nefarious reasons, and therefore need to be monitored just in case.

Squeaky wheels get the grease and squeaky nails get the hammer, but silence in a noisy forest is alarming.

Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by cvbrty on Monday December 12, 2022 @01:52PM (#33958555)
Airplane mode doesn't shut off your baseband. It just sends it a message saying "go into airplane mode". The firmware is still running. It could still be receiving and sending data for all you know.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by burntwater on Monday December 12, 2022 @07:42PM (#33962905)
I can verify they do in fact receive (if not transmit) data - I worked an immersive art project that had 100 Samsung cell phones that were in airplane mode, and we found out the hard and noisy way that they were still able to receive emergency and AMBER alerts (U.S. alerts that notify of potential child abductions).
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by zzo38computer on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @02:19AM (#33965795)
They need to add possibility to disactivate the hardware components, in order to save battery power (in addition to disabling the features you mention).
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by jvanderbot on Monday December 12, 2022 @01:35PM (#33958353)
Your location data. Tower associations can still happen with data "off", since there's plenty of "listen" components. All your home wifi connections are well Geo-located, thanks to other Android users picking up the ESSID as they walk / ride / drive past your house. Your shopping / outings? Forget it, fully known.

VPNs hide the content of connections, at least from MITM / eavesdroppers, but server-side data scrapes are quite effective at figuring out who you are (or what your phone is ... see below). Nothing really does a good job of hiding the fact that you are connected to a VPN except TOR, and where that connection originates (e.g., your wifi network, which is well Geo-located, remember?). And de-anonymization of VPN connections to identify downstream connections are possible, IIRC. Details about your phone are well recorded (MAC, SID, etc)

And always remember, your phone can be implicated based on location data, which will implicate you once it's discovered you own the phone. And that's as simple as looking up the SIM purchase / use.

Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by kornhole on Monday December 12, 2022 @03:20PM (#33959690)
From https://grapheneos.org/faq: "Connecting to your carrier's network inherently depends on you identifying yourself to it and anyone able to obtain administrative access. Activating airplane mode will fully disable the cellular radio transmit and receive capabilities, which will prevent your phone from being reached from the cellular network and stop your carrier (and anyone impersonating them to you) from tracking the device via the cellular radio. The baseband implements other functionality such as Wi-Fi and GPS functionality, but each of these components is separately sandboxed on the baseband and independent of each other. Enabling airplane mode disables the cellular radio, but Wi-Fi can be re-enabled and used without activating the cellular radio again. This allows using the device as a Wi-Fi only device."

When I am at home, I am WIFI only. When I am out, WIFI & bluetooth are off. This takes some discipline at first but then just becomes habit. I know the spot on my commute home where I switch my settings.

Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by burntwater on Monday December 12, 2022 @07:45PM (#33962937)
I can promise that airplane mode does not fully disable the cellular radio, at least not on Samsung phones. Repeating a comment above: I can verify they do in fact receive data - I worked an immersive art project that had 100 Samsung cell phones that were in airplane mode, and we found out the hard and noisy way that they were still able to receive emergency and AMBER alerts (U.S. alerts that notify of potential child abductions).
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by MengerSponge on Monday December 12, 2022 @03:30PM (#33959823)
BTW habitually switching at the same time and place is terrible opsec. It leaks a ton of information.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by thewataccount on Monday December 12, 2022 @03:49PM (#33960066)
Yeah I'm not sure what information this really protects assuming you're only communicating over encrypted channels (https) already.

In theory it could protect location data from the carrier for locating you with a wild amount of opsec practice but I highly doubt you could pull that off for a daily driver.

Having wifi/bluetooth off in public isn't a terrible idea though as those are generally much easier attack surfaces and are leakier.

Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by kornhole on Monday December 12, 2022 @04:02PM (#33960230)
It is the same general location about half a mile from home where I flip over. This is to ensure location from cell tower triangulation does not identify my home and therefore me.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by Retric on Monday December 12, 2022 @05:06PM (#33961117)
It’s all about your threat model.

Suppose you wanted to find someone that aways turned on their phone on at ~8:15 AM and found someone that always turned their phone off at ~8:10 AM within 15 miles. How difficult would you say it was to make this connection?

Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by kornhole on Monday December 12, 2022 @06:25PM (#33961954)
Nobody is looking for me. I don't have any regular commute either. I just make sure not to use cellular at my house since that would narrow the owner of the SIM down to one of the people living in this house.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by lgats on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @04:35AM (#33966553)
Do you own a car with OnStar or SeriusXm ?
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by n3dm on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @04:43AM (#33966605)
I have O*. How do I disable it?
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by kornhole on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @10:52AM (#33970473)
No. I ride a bike.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by kube-system on Monday December 12, 2022 @04:58PM (#33961021)
The baseband is an entirely separate SoC that is a blackbox outside of the control of GrapheneOS. And your radios are solely under the control of that system. GrapheneOS just asks it nicely to do things on its behalf.

All of these privacy focussed phone OSes tread lightly on the fact that there are a grand total of zero modern open source basebands in existence.

Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by kornhole on Monday December 12, 2022 @06:57PM (#33962312)
Agreed. We can only mitigate by tactics: -not associating the device ID's to personal ID's. -only using cellular in limited situations. -rotating the SIMs periodically with other family members
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by kube-system on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @07:24AM (#33967956)
You don’t get to choose those things if you don’t choose what the radio does. Swapping SIMs around doesn’t accomplish that. The hardware and software that the baseband has entirely within the confines of its own black box is enough to track you.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by sgc on Monday December 12, 2022 @04:36PM (#33960747)
I would never trust that. It is how thing are supposed to work, not the way they necessarily will. Just buy a phone with physical disconnect switches if it is important enough for you.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by jvanderbot on Monday December 12, 2022 @04:22PM (#33960512)
I appreciate the extra information. I'm still skeptical on any phone except the OS/HW combo the faq was written against (which by the way was not in your original post)
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by RektBoy on Monday December 12, 2022 @02:46PM (#33959215)
In my country, this one girl is buying prepaid SIMs and selling them on darknet. Which is fully legal. Still she got notified from our intelligence agency, lol. They're butt-hurt a lot from this.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by K0balt on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @08:39PM (#33978940)
The sim basically doesn’t matter. The imei identifies the phone to the network, the sim identifies the subscriber. So the network sees phone x unknown subscriber prepaid carrier. Airplane mode does not prevent the phone system from triangulating your phone, or from turning the baseband on remotely even when the phone is “off”.

The carrier definitely knows where you live if you take your phone to your house at night, even if it is off. The only way to prevent that is to put it in a faraday pouch at your “airplane mode” checkpoint.

Why do you think basically zero phones have trivially removable/changeable batteries? Any phone that clams to be security first and doesn’t at least have a switch (an actual switch) that disconnects the battery altogether is a joke.

Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by bengale on Monday December 12, 2022 @02:51PM (#33959274)
I’ve always assumed that behaviour like this is so unusual is would motivate a closer look by security services.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK on Monday December 12, 2022 @03:30PM (#33959815)
Criminals the security services are looking for are not that smart. If they were, they wouldn't have been criminals in the first place.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by RussianCow on Monday December 12, 2022 @03:32PM (#33959842)
> If they were, they wouldn't have been criminals in the first place.

What does intelligence have to do with whether someone is a criminal? There are dumb criminals and smart criminals; I'm not sure what the correlation here is.

Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by ActorNightly on Monday December 12, 2022 @05:40PM (#33961493)
Excluding ideological motivators, if you are technically competent to pull off a cybercrime and escape unseen, you are technically competent enough to work at a tech company making 300k+ a year while only doing about 10 hours of actual work per week.

Treating this just like investments, over your lifetime, its a no brainer on which is the better path to take.

Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by brailsafe on Monday December 12, 2022 @11:40PM (#33964921)
And a smart enough person would also know that there's a long chain of caveats to this specious claim, significant enough that being a criminal and getting away with it is much more compelling.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by themoonisachees on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @02:23AM (#33965817)
None of the caveats include hypothetically being thrown in prison though. Being a criminal and getting away with it is significantly harder than phoning in your job as part of a capitalist machine
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by brailsafe on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @06:39AM (#33967519)
You're on a forum that's thematically dedicated to the idea of being a "hacker" in spirit; to a lot of people, the easy boring path isn't attractive.

"Why do this risky exciting dangerous thing over there when you could come over here and be a flacid lifeless drone with me at Bezos' personal blowjob-drone company. Marry the first person you meet, have some kids, yay stability!"

Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK on Monday December 12, 2022 @03:35PM (#33959893)
I think most criminals are dumb. Quick google search shows average IQ of a criminal is 85.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by generalizations on Monday December 12, 2022 @03:56PM (#33960149)
Average IQ of all criminals, or criminals that got caught?
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by autoexec on Monday December 12, 2022 @10:35PM (#33964441)
It must just be the ones who got caught. If they weren't caught how can anyone be sure they were a criminal?

Honestly though they might as well just use the average IQ for the population. There's not a person alive who hasn't violated some law at some point. We're all criminals.

Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by sgc on Monday December 12, 2022 @04:42PM (#33960839)
Probably not directly related, but mainly due to fewer opportunities. This is one of the reasons I strongly agree with universal basic income. The capitalistic game is harder than many people are capable of playing. They shouldn't have to suffer enormously because of that, and neither should society. Otherwise, should we assert that ethics are inherently easier for some people, yet penalize all people the same regardless of their capacities?
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by kornhole on Monday December 12, 2022 @03:21PM (#33959702)
The only thing it evidences is that someone is smart and values their privacy.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by jorgesborges on Monday December 12, 2022 @02:23PM (#33958967)
Just curious and I admire your commitment, but is there some aspect of your life that demands this diligence, or are you simply principled?
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by kornhole on Monday December 12, 2022 @03:13PM (#33959587)
I just don't like people following me around. It is creepy.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by ethbr0 on Monday December 12, 2022 @03:53PM (#33960114)
A person's gotta have a hobby and an ethos. More power to you for the dedication.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by archi42 on Monday December 12, 2022 @01:49PM (#33958519)
In theory: 1. Wait until you enable the cellular again 2. push an update to the baseband firmware 3. when you disconnect, the new firmware will tell the OS that the baseband is disconnect, in reality, it's doing nasty stuff. You'd only notice it due to the battery draw.

You need burner phones to cycle after each usage.

TBH, seems you cranked up the paranoia to 11. The VPN has to terminate somewhere, so if I was a state actor attacking you, I'd figure out where that is. WiFi+BT firmware isn't bullet proof, either, and hypothetically an exploit chain could be found to enter via WiFi and stealthy enable cellular. In practice XKCD #538 applies: https://xkcd.com/538/

For most of us the attacker is someone trying to make some money by scamming, stealing CC or installing a malicious app.

Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by trimethylpurine on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @12:42PM (#33972560)
There is no such thing as anonymous. There is only more difficult. A government that controls enough endpoints (e.g. your country's backbone) can infer identity.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by ghostoftesla on Monday December 12, 2022 @05:31PM (#33961378)
From my understanding, when installing an alternate OS (ie lineage) you can dive deeper into the partitioning of the device's os and see all components/folders. Under `vendor` you can choose not to install firmware for different kinds of stuff (wifi, baseband).
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by was_a_dev on Monday December 12, 2022 @04:24PM (#33960556)
> if I am missing something

It's the day you miss something that your effort was pointless. Even if your solution is always secure, it only takes one slip up to ruin everything

Any threat as large as youre trying to protect against, if interested in you, can just wait for you to make a mistake.

Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by sweetbitter on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @01:17AM (#33965461)
> can just wait for you to make a mistake.

Anyhow, if one slip-up is enough, you're doing it wrong. Imagine you were a mad scientist testing out a jetpack- you are confident yes? But I imagine you would feel more confident with a bunch of nets, and a trampoline underneath that, and a lightning rod in case of a storm, and a requirement that you hold down multiple buttons at once to play with the controls, etc.

That is, if you are serious you will put in multiple safety nets at every layer of the stack so that "one slip" is not enough.

You like to talk to people, but you know that a long-term pseudonym is the gravest danger of them all.

You like virtualization, but you keep some crucial data and keys(treams) on a un-networked machine.

You like anonymizing networks, but you know the caveats of traffic tunneling and didn't connect from your home router.

You connect to a randomly-chosen wireless AP, but you know that just in case your MAC-spoofing fails or you get pwned or something, you are glad that you bought the device with cash and never tied its characteristics to your identity.

You are glad that the only transceiver connected to the device is an external wireless dongle so that when you are done, you don't accidentally connect with your device from home.

You are glad you waited for an overcast day so that you could thwart spy satellites that use visible/infrared light, and that you connected to the AP from afar to thwart cameras.

The list goes on. The guy whose face you see plastered in the news? Yeah, that guy thought his experimental jetpack was the shit. And it was- until it wasn't.

Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by kornhole on Monday December 12, 2022 @06:10PM (#33961825)
I doubt I am any target. I am just another regular Joe living under mass surveillance and avoiding when possible.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by Zigurd on Monday December 12, 2022 @04:07PM (#33960285)
You are going in the wrong direction. Lean into the surveillance. Use it to create an alibi.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by siftrics on Monday December 12, 2022 @02:01PM (#33958682)
If the VPN is compromised, you're compromised.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by Scoundreller on Monday December 12, 2022 @02:19PM (#33958916)
What are the odds of seven chained VPNs all being compromised?
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by siftrics on Monday December 12, 2022 @02:54PM (#33959304)
Doesn't matter. As long as one is compromised, you're screwed.

VPNs cannot break TLS, (unless you're dealing with the intelligence apparatus of a major power, which probably can break TLS) so they cannot introspect most of the content you send and receive anyways.

What they can do, however, is see the domain name of the HTTP requests you send when setting up TLS.

Chaining VPNs doesn't add security by any metric.

Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by kevin_thibedeau on Monday December 12, 2022 @04:31PM (#33960660)
They don't have to break TLS. They just use an exploit to get access to one of the unencrypted sides of the link.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by siftrics on Monday December 12, 2022 @07:07PM (#33962457)
Good point.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Monday December 12, 2022 @02:28PM (#33959017)
Why?
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by greggarious on Monday December 12, 2022 @02:10PM (#33958794)
>I rotate burner SIM's. I never make calls with the SIM.

Do your family and friends do that?

Maybe it's better to blend in with the noise.

Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by bobsmooth on Monday December 12, 2022 @04:26PM (#33960594)
Wrap your phone in aluminum foil when you're not using it.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by imperialdrive on Monday December 12, 2022 @09:56PM (#33964130)
You sound interesting and likely good company for a nice meal somewhere exclusive. In SF by chance?
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by squokko on Monday December 12, 2022 @04:36PM (#33960742)
What's your threat model?
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by RektBoy on Monday December 12, 2022 @02:49PM (#33959243)
So you're detected just by Wifi. Ok. Your phone is transmitting every network you saved. As OSINT you can pretty much fingerprint everybody with just that. And even since phones are using randomized MACs, there are methods to leak true MAC.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by blep_ on Monday December 12, 2022 @06:09PM (#33961823)
> Your phone is transmitting every network you saved.

That's not how saved networks work, as far as I know. If you have a source saying otherwise, I would like to read it.

Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by plausibility on Monday December 12, 2022 @07:34PM (#33962807)
The WiFi spec has something called "active scanning" [0] for clients (as opposed to passive scanning, where the client listens for the periodic AP beacons). There's something called a "directed probe request" [1] that a client can send during active scanning which will contain the AP's SSID it's directed towards. Whether or not your particular device sends these direct probe requests is probably configurable and different per client. According to this [2] post, Android devices will sometimes send SSIDs in a scan, but not all of them and not always. Might be possible to find the logic here in the Android source code, I assume it's there somewhere.

[0]: https://www.wi-fi.org/knowledge-center/faq/what-are-passive-... [1]: https://dot11ap.wordpress.com/active-scanning-probes/ [2]: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/36264440/phone-doesnt-se...

Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by omniglottal on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @01:51PM (#33988132)
Active scanning (where the client sends the SSID of an AP it's trying to connect to) is ironically limited to just hidden AP SSIDs.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by MengerSponge on Monday December 12, 2022 @02:01PM (#33958689)
I break into Tiffany's at midnight. Do I go for the vault? No, I go for the chandelier. It's priceless. As I'm taking it down, a woman catches me. She tells me to stop. It's her father's business. She's Tiffany. I say no. We make love all night. In the morning, the cops come and I escape in one of their uniforms. I tell her to meet me in Mexico, but I go to Canada. I don't trust her. Besides, I like the cold. Thirty years later, I get a postcard. I have a son and he's the chief of police. This is where the story gets interesting. I tell Tiffany to meet me in Paris by the Trocadero. She's been waiting for me all these years. She's never taken another lover. I don't care. I don't show up. I go to Berlin. That's where I stashed the chandelier.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by texasbigdata on Monday December 12, 2022 @02:11PM (#33958817)
Absolutely lost it at the coworking place. Luckily it wasn't too packed. Thank you kind sir.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by cutler on Monday December 12, 2022 @02:30PM (#33959037)
What on earth does this have to do with the parent post? Please enlighten me.
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by aussieshibe on Monday December 12, 2022 @02:42PM (#33959176)
It's a monologue from The Office which uses similarly extremely short sentence structure as seen in the GGP comment.

It's also possible GP is referencing GGPs arguably paranoid position on phones, relating it to similar paranoias held by Dwight (the character who delivers the monologue).

https://youtu.be/PlIzKaGBeHk

Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by MengerSponge on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @02:58AM (#33966028)
Nailed it :)
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by lgdskhglsa on Monday December 12, 2022 @02:40PM (#33959153)
it's a reference to The Office, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlIzKaGBeHk
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by ww520 on Monday December 12, 2022 @02:43PM (#33959186)
They're both wild tales. /s
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Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by MengerSponge on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @03:00AM (#33966032)
But your essay isn't funny. Fortunately, as they say, practice makes perfect!
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by bullion9872 on Monday December 12, 2022 @04:43PM (#33960847)
>maybe spend more time writing your own copy eh, I think people find popular culture references funny because they are already familiar with them
Re:Tell HN: Your Android carrier can remotely turn settings on by greggarious on Monday December 12, 2022 @06:12PM (#33961843)
Fair.