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Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by LASR on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @09:28PM (#33727221)
I am a solo dev working on a creative content creation app to leverage the latest developments in AI.

Demoing even the v1 of stable diffusion to the non-technical general users blows them away completely.

Now that v2 is here, it’s clear we’re not able to keep pace in developing products to take advantage of it.

The general public still is blown away by autosuggest in mobile OS keyboards. Very few really know how far AI tech has evolved.

Huge market opportunity for folks wanting to ride the wave here.

This is exciting for me personally, since I can keep plugging in newer and better versions of these models into my app and it becomes better.

Even some of the tech folks I demo my app to, are simply amazed how I can manage to do this solo.

Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by malermeister on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @09:42PM (#33727298)
What kind of stuff does your app do that blows people away?
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by butMebbe on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @10:03PM (#33727397)
Wraps an ML model that blows people away in opinionated UX
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by kennyloginz on Thursday November 24, 2022 @02:46AM (#33728750)
That’s a little vague, so forgive me if I’m assuming too far.

You are making changes to a products UX based on graphical inference?

I could see a decent business supporting the logic problems a UX designed from AI graphics would introduce ;)

Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by searchableguy on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @09:31PM (#33727243)
What are you building?
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Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by wfme on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @10:10PM (#33727426)
This comment pretty clearly breaks the commenting guidelines https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

>Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. Edit out swipes.

Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.

Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by KidComputer on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @11:14PM (#33727723)
no
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by hackernewds on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @10:12PM (#33727435)
This is unnecessarily presumptive and targeted, offering no practical value
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by LASR on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @11:28PM (#33727800)
It started as an AI-powered MS paint for my son. But after demoing it to a few coworkers, it morphed into a bit more than that. Now it’s more of a storybook creator that young kids can use to generate their own stories.

Not looking to monetize at all. But inference is expensive. So might have something to cover costs.

Some backstory:

When I was growing up in the early 90s, my dad took me into his office over the weekends when he was doing some overtime paperwork. I would be on his IBM Windows 3.1 workstation. He didn’t have any games on his work computer, so I would spend the entire day “playing” with MS Paint. I couldn’t read yet (3-4 years old), but I was able to figure it out.

We didn’t have a computer at home. But seeing how I was so good at it, my parents bought one. I eventually got into coding etc. All of this defined who I am today.

So I wanted to recreate some of this magic, for my own son. He’s 3 months old, so not quite the right age. But I have some free time on parental leave. So why not. Might be useful for parents with 3-5 year olds.

Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by ericd on Thursday November 24, 2022 @12:44AM (#33728125)
I have some young kids, would love to try this out with them if you’re sharing.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by stymaar on Thursday November 24, 2022 @01:44AM (#33728416)
Same here! (And I also remember playing with MS paint on my dad's work computer)
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by M4v3R on Thursday November 24, 2022 @02:47AM (#33728757)
As a father of a 1.5 year old girl this sounds incredibly awesome and I'm hoping you will release it somehow, looking forward to your Show HN post!
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by momojo on Thursday November 24, 2022 @08:49AM (#33731247)
I'm getting Scribblenauts vibes in a good way.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by mberning on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @09:55PM (#33727365)
I don’t know anybody that is blown away by keyboard auto suggest. It’s wrong as often as it is right. Not saying it isn’t useful, but let’s not oversell it.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by SkyPuncher on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @10:07PM (#33727415)
Lol. Especially the AI version of keyboard auto suggest.

Let's take a deterministic algorithm that predictably corrects your typos and build it on AI. It will offer you no benefits, but it will completely destroy the utility since it will never work predictably or accurately.

Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by FPGAhacker on Thursday November 24, 2022 @02:22AM (#33728616)
Auto correct and auto suggest are related but different things.

Suggest puts up options for the next word.

Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by SkyPuncher on Thursday November 24, 2022 @10:13AM (#33732182)
My comment would remain exactly the same for auto-correct. They are essentially the same thing, just pre and post typing.

They both serve the same purpose of helping the user quickly and accurately communicate on a cell phone. Like auto-suggest, I rely on auto-correct to fix things that I know I commonly mistype. When it doesn't work predictably, it's useless.

Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by hackernewds on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @10:11PM (#33727430)
Strongly believe selection bias among the folks you're getting this impression from. The avg user is not our circle.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by LASR on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @11:41PM (#33727873)
This is exactly it.

Honestly I was quite surprised at how regular people are impressed by this tech. I was also surprised by how little regular people are aware of this tech even existing.

We, on hackernews, are largely unimpressed. But that’s not the vast majority of people.

Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by postexitus on Thursday November 24, 2022 @07:03AM (#33730348)
Your insistence on not understanding the point made makes me think you, my friend, are also an AI.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by bongobingo1 on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @11:08PM (#33727691)
> Impressive isn't it!

>> Yeah! Don't they make a trillion dollars a year? How is it so crappy?

Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by Godel_unicode on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @11:48PM (#33727907)
This is universally the result that I see from my nontechnical friends; Apple has literally all the money and Siri has the listening comprehension of a drunk beagle.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by causi on Thursday November 24, 2022 @03:37AM (#33729014)
It’s wrong as often as it is right.

And for some damn reason they refuse to stop changing "ok" to "OK" like we're all octogenarians on Facebook.

Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by LouisSayers on Thursday November 24, 2022 @03:47AM (#33729065)
Maybe blown away at how terrible it is... like how many times do we need to correct it for it to show us the same shitty suggestions. I'm not sure I'd even notice if it were turned off.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by dorfuss on Thursday November 24, 2022 @05:35AM (#33729767)
I am blown away that auto suggest is so wrong. I simply have this feature turned off.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by monero-xmr on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @10:13PM (#33727437)
There just isn’t a lot of market opportunities where being right 99% of the time is good enough. If you are operating at scale and 1/100 decisions are wrong, the outcome is poor and often highly off-putting to users.

It’s possible this time is different, but people at my company were entertained by DALLE for all of 5 minutes before no one ever mentioned it again. The value proposition is simply low.

Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by dougmwne on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @10:23PM (#33727491)
Are you kidding? Many times corporate decisions are being made effectively at random. Thinking that the average company operates with a 999 batting average is a total fantasy.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by xnyan on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @10:33PM (#33727542)
When our c suite decides on an ad campaign and tells our artists to draw normal humans, those people have 3 legs or upside down teeth exactly 0% of the time. Humans have many many limitations, but with every model I’ve tested there’s a set of errors that would virtually never be made by any human.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by wizeman on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @10:44PM (#33727591)
> with every model I’ve tested there’s a set of errors that would virtually never be made by any human

I guess you've never seen my drawings...

Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by vintermann on Thursday November 24, 2022 @05:05AM (#33729565)
I think it's interesting that drawing too many fingers is a mistake kids make, too, although with less photorealism otherwise. I guess there's a reason all thosr famous artists drew hundreds of hands as practice as well.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by fragmede on Thursday November 24, 2022 @01:36AM (#33728373)
I agree. Cars break down and crash, they'll never replace horses.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by foobazgt on Thursday November 24, 2022 @02:23AM (#33728622)
I think this analogy doesn't hold water - horses aren't exactly a beacon of reliability (having owned one).

I've already seen tools that support workflows where you compose art by iteratively generating a piece of it, performing some correction, and repeating. So, I think there's room in the art world for less than perfectly generated art. That said, let's not kid ourselves that the typical failure modality of ML today (99% correct enough, 1% disastrously incorrect) doesn't either cause it to be entirely useless in many applications or end up wreaking havoc on end users in others.

Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by fragmede on Thursday November 24, 2022 @07:04AM (#33730361)
It's only an analogy, but it serves to underscore the last point you make. Initial versions of the technology can make some genuine horrors but you're blinding yourself to progress if you can't see the potential in it.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by sussmannbaka on Thursday November 24, 2022 @02:39AM (#33728709)
the cars we're talking about here have a random amount of wheels and sometimes morph into cosmic horrors mid-ride.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by iceburgcrm on Thursday November 24, 2022 @02:14AM (#33728567)
In fairness ad campaigns have people who review the creative. Now I could see a band using an image like that or something edgy
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by kennyloginz on Thursday November 24, 2022 @02:28AM (#33728647)
As an outsider, this rings true to me. I still don’t see any reduction of hours involved in producing professional level works. Generating YouTube thumbnails, sure.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by boardwaalk on Thursday November 24, 2022 @04:13AM (#33729227)
No one is suggesting anyone take the first image out of a model without any human-based filtering.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by pardon_me on Thursday November 24, 2022 @04:29PM (#33736446)
Exactly. I have a catchphrase for this "AI generate, human mediate".

This revolution is allowing us to conduct the orchestra instead of playing each instrument.

Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by tamersalama on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @11:20PM (#33727760)
I agree that this a big wave, but I'm still struggling to find commercial (read: large organizations) applications.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by ftufek on Thursday November 24, 2022 @12:02AM (#33727954)
I suspect those applications will come from specializing the model. For example, there's people that have avatar generators or automated ad creatives. A cool application I've been toying with is generating icons.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by subbu on Thursday November 24, 2022 @01:11AM (#33728241)
Train the model with https://lucide.dev/ and ask it to generate a few more?
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by wodenokoto on Thursday November 24, 2022 @12:04AM (#33727961)
Built a plugin for Power Point and sell it corporate wide.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by abeppu on Thursday November 24, 2022 @12:42AM (#33728110)
Does it actually make anything in the corporate world better to use generated images in slides? When coworkers use stock photos which were presumably made by humans operating actual cameras, I don't think it's clear that their presentation is actually more valuable as a result.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by fsloth on Thursday November 24, 2022 @01:20AM (#33728293)
I guess you need to look at the current TAM for visual production in general. That's the baseline (so includes visualization studios, agencies, game studios etc). Generally this potentially can help in many labour intensive parts of a creative visual process.

Is that a "large" organization market or not depends on your metric and what the market positioning of the offering is. I would see applications in both specialist content creation tools as well as "stock photos and merch".

In terms of finding stock photos, if you add a better text api that is easier to control this probably can compete with static stock photos in the sense that people can tune their images as much as they like. For example with their corporate merch (Imagine producing a slideset at Acme co. "Please give me an elephant and walrus wearing acme caps".

Ad agencies already love that they can train a model to quickly iterate product shot ideas extremely rapidly.

Then we have "the usual" effect automation has on market demand - automation increases the productivity of a task requiring labour, hence allowing to reduce the cost of a unit of production, which generally increases the demand. I.e. creative stuff will be cheaper to do, you won't replace artists, but suddenly the dude or dudette who spent hours just tweaking stuff has their own art studio at finger tips to command. They can get so much more done much faster.

The tech is not 100% bullet proof yet but at this pace it will be good enough soon (or probably is for several applications if there was just an UX sugaring targeting specific domain workflow).

Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by 127 on Thursday November 24, 2022 @04:15AM (#33729250)
Why does it have to be large organization? Why can't it be many small businesses.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by prakhar897 on Thursday November 24, 2022 @01:04AM (#33728208)
I'm in a kind of same boat. I think indie games are the way to show true potential of SD.

Hence, I'm working on http://diffudle.com/ which is a mix of Wheel Of Fortune + Stable Diffusion + Wordle. I Can't figure it out but feels to me like its lacking something.

Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by stymaar on Thursday November 24, 2022 @01:42AM (#33728401)
> Hence, I'm working on http://diffudle.com/ which is a mix of Wheel Of Fortune + Stable Diffusion + Wordle. I Can't figure it out but feels to me like its lacking something.

That's awesome, I love it!

Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by prakhar897 on Thursday November 24, 2022 @06:20AM (#33730075)
Thanks :)
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by Zitrax on Thursday November 24, 2022 @03:27AM (#33728966)
It confused me that the letter boxes were divided in 7+3, thus I thought it would be two words while the correct answer was a single 10 letter word. Maybe try to avoid wrapping words.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by prakhar897 on Thursday November 24, 2022 @06:20AM (#33730064)
Nice Observation!! I'm thinking including a start and end mark to improve the UX would work well. I can't avoid wrapping as the prompt might be very large.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by momojo on Thursday November 24, 2022 @08:46AM (#33731218)
If the word is always going to be a single word, I would clarify that with some examples in the tutorial
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by WithinReason on Friday November 25, 2022 @03:58AM (#33740561)
Put a hyphen at the end!
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by myrloc on Thursday November 24, 2022 @04:28AM (#33729334)
I really want to try this. Please add mobile iOS support!
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by prakhar897 on Thursday November 24, 2022 @06:20AM (#33730073)
I'm able to use this on my Iphone browser. Can you elaborate if you're facing any difficulties?
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by jonashus on Thursday November 24, 2022 @04:23PM (#33736374)
I don't see anything below the Hint button. And scrolling seems disabled.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by prakhar897 on Saturday November 26, 2022 @02:20AM (#33750651)
Sorry I broke it between updates. Should be working now!!
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by CamelRocketFish on Friday November 25, 2022 @11:05AM (#33743646)
It worked eventually for me but the scrolling seems stuck in the beginning or maybe only certain areas are scrollable?
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by prakhar897 on Saturday November 26, 2022 @03:20AM (#33750926)
It's working now. Didn't notice it was broken before!!
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by UweSchmidt on Thursday November 24, 2022 @04:36AM (#33729377)
Very creative and a fun way to interact with SD. I would encourage you to explore this idea further, as interest in SD might grow and people want to engage with the topic in an accessible way. I like the idea of hard-limiting play (1 quizz per day) but a small backlog of previous pictures could be nice to explore a little.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by prakhar897 on Thursday November 24, 2022 @06:22AM (#33730090)
Thanks!! I'll add a "Past Games" section from where you can play more if you want.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by rob74 on Thursday November 24, 2022 @05:25AM (#33729682)
Wow, that's really cool actually, have to bookmark it! One feature I would add would be going back through the previously shown images, that would make it easier to guess what they have in common. Also, larger images would look nicer, but I guess that would drive the costs up?
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by prakhar897 on Thursday November 24, 2022 @06:17AM (#33730044)
Thanks!! I'm debating whether to show history of images as it will reduce the difficulty by a lot. Larger images is a great suggestion, I'll add them ASAP.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by CamelRocketFish on Friday November 25, 2022 @10:46AM (#33743414)
Bookmarked! I love it, would be good to play past games
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by prakhar897 on Saturday November 26, 2022 @02:17AM (#33750642)
Thanks :)
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by nextlevelwizard on Thursday November 24, 2022 @02:26AM (#33728638)
>Demoing even the v1 of stable diffusion to the non-technical general users blows them away completely.

What do the results have to do with "non-technical" people? I am blown away every time I run stable diffusion of the images I get out from it.

Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by cassianoleal on Thursday November 24, 2022 @05:39PM (#33737052)
I'm not. I find them funny and amusing but that's pretty much it.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by jnrk on Thursday November 24, 2022 @03:04AM (#33728848)
> The general public still is blown away by autosuggest in mobile OS keyboards.

And it's still not available in my language on iOS... :( (Norwegian)

Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by seydor on Thursday November 24, 2022 @03:21AM (#33728926)
And we are not doing a good job at educating people and preparing them for what's to happen. People are so used to BigTech making decisions for them
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by lannisterstark on Thursday November 24, 2022 @04:21AM (#33729279)
>Huge market opportunity for folks wanting to ride the wave here.

what precisely is the market here?

Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by LoveMortuus on Thursday November 24, 2022 @06:22AM (#33730086)
AI mobile keyboard suggestions, aren't really so good that I would be impressed with it, especially because it gets it wrong so many times, although to be fair, I do write in the languages, which I'm quite sure doesn't help the AI in the slightest.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by seydor on Thursday November 24, 2022 @09:38AM (#33731721)
While i agree it is exciting, the media industry will remain the same in size. Does this have applications outside media/entertainment ?
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by layer8 on Thursday November 24, 2022 @10:02AM (#33732035)
The dangerous thing is that people also don’t understand the limitations of that technology.
Re:Stable Diffusion 2.0 Release by ksec on Sunday November 27, 2022 @03:18AM (#33761359)
Last time we had people in the field of AI writing on HN expecting another AI Winter. I thought all the improvement we have now, and we might get in the future like Stable Diffusion 3.0 and possibly many others, while not L5 Self Driving Car or General AI, has yet to be fully used outside of Tech community, or even in Tech itself. The long tail of distribution and positive feedback loop will sustain its development for another 10 years.