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Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by ip26 on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @02:31PM (#33723518)
Perhaps it should be; everyone can be the best at something. You have to find your something.

On the whole though, the entire concept of “best” is a mess in a world of eight billion. At this point it’s more up to the whims of the contest, and doesn’t seem very correlated with life outcomes. Better by far to be one of the best, working shoulder to shoulder with the others, and forget entirely about who holds the podium.

Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by afarrell on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @02:35PM (#33723554)
Or “do not compare yourself with others, for there will always be greater and lesser persons than yourself.”
Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by laidoffamazon on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @03:27PM (#33724101)
Doesn’t help when people like me are just terrible at everything, have accomplished nothing and considered subhuman by the rest of society!

This is a “thanks I’m cured” statement, no different from saying depressed people should smile more.

Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by cwmoore on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @03:38PM (#33724214)
Legitimately though, the act of smiling whenever you can pull it off, will elevate mood. At times it isn’t possible. Similar with choosing instead of discovering what you can excel at and flow with.
Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by afarrell on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @04:00PM (#33724459)
The statement is in fact useless. Changing your mental actions is what is useful. When you notice you brain doing it, then imagine you are a kind kindergarten teacher guiding a child to take crayons out of his mouth. Kindly tell your brain to think of something else. Then patiently tell your brain again.

Put down the internet drama machine and go do small good things in the real world.

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> considered subhuman by the rest of society!

Unless you are literally an AI, then as a member of society I can tell you that this is factually inaccurate. I think you are a human.

I also know that there is a tiny fraction of society that consider me subhuman. HP Lovecraft would be horrified by my very existence. The fraction of society that calls people subhuman is really bad at maintaining healthy relationships and so they don’t tend to hold onto power so I don’t care about them.

> just terrible at everything and have accomplished nothing

Do you have solid evidence that this is factually accurate, or does it only feel true?

If it feels true, then get up and go for a walk or roll outside, occasionally doing pushups or waving your arms about. That will help you see reality more clearly.

Also, teach yourself how to make scrambled eggs well. That way when you remember the parts of your life that do suck, you’ll at least be able to remind yourself of your ability to make scrambled eggs for someone.

Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by omginternets on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @02:48PM (#33723678)
>Perhaps it should be; everyone can be the best at something. You have to find your something.

What happens if you don't? What do you tell someone who managed to find something at which they are respectably competent, but not the best? Is that not sufficient?

Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by A4ET8a8uTh0 on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @07:00PM (#33726128)
I think the real and maybe not directly stated point is that every person on a planet with billions of people is virtually guaranteed not to be the best at something. It is statistically unlikely especially given how we do everything we can to label people into groups and funnel them accordingly to be used ( and be useful to ) by society.

That does not mean that a given person should not try to get better, because this is the only way you will start getting to a level of competency and maybe, with some additional luck and push, to a top performer level. Not everyone can be number one, but extraordinary ( the attached article ) definition allows for that. And being second best at 'whatever' sure beats just complaining about everything you did not get a chance to accomplish.

<< Is that not sufficient?

I honestly don't know. It is a very personal question each of us should answer internally. I, personally, want to do better and you do want to keep giving yourself progressively harder goals. I am currently working on a plan for 23-25 and I am getting kinda excited, because I believe it will move me to a better place in terms of my career ( and by extension better family life ) and interests, but I know it will require some buckling down and really polishing some skills. Maybe it is spending too much time on HN watching other people's 'Show HN' threads that got me to question myself "Why can't I do this?/"What is missing?"

I already know I can't be best. As mentioned in the very fist paragraph I do not believe it is even possible, but I still think there is a lot of untapped potential. Wasting it would be a shame.

Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by snapcaster on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @02:49PM (#33723689)
But this isn't true. Who is it benefitting to lie to people like this?
Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by williamcotton on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @02:59PM (#33723793)
I mean, I’m definitely not the best songwriter out there but I’m definitely the best at writing songs about my own life!
Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by snapcaster on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @04:18PM (#33724667)
Oh so we're just teaching people effective coping mechanisms? I guess that's fine I misunderstood the comment I was responding to i think

edit: also probably untrue, I bet there are lots of songwriters who could make songs about your life that the vast majority of people would agree are better than yours

Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by afarrell on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @04:30PM (#33724791)
Effective coping mechanisms that are reasonably grounded in objective reality.

Whose decision is it that the other songwriters are better at expressing this one dude’s experiences? Thats not an objective question. It is a choice.

Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by Dylan16807 on Thursday November 24, 2022 @04:15AM (#33729249)
No, it's not a choice. It's mostly subjective and up to them to judge, but it's a judgement based on the merits.

Writing is hard, and there are very good reasons people work with experts to make things about themselves.

Related, have you ever seen this clip? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4Y6zimxi-Q

Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by afarrell on Thursday November 24, 2022 @04:22AM (#33729288)
Hmmm… okay you are making the distinction between judgement and discretion and saying I’m wrong to categorize this as discretion.

Upon reflection, I think you are right.

> writing is hard

Oh definitely. I’ve certainly had the experience of Lin-Manuel Miranda expressing something more clearly than I can.

Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by williamcotton on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @05:10PM (#33725153)
A buddy of mine is definitely a better songwriter than I am and he has in fact written a song about me!

It would have been sometime in the late 2000s and I was visiting dear old dad in Christchurch, NZ, and my buddy James, aka Lawrence Arabia was playing a gig at the Wonderbar in nearby Littleton on Christmas Eve. I happened to meet a nice young lady, shit you not, named Eve, and we ended back at her place… her parent’s place. At 2am on Christmas Eve. Then her dad comes down and finds us fooling around on the couch in front of the tree. My ride had left hours ago so I had to call up pops. Surprisingly he was very pleased with my escapades and not too bothered with the wake up call.

Here’s James’s take on the event: https://fabulousarabia.bandcamp.com/track/give-me-love-tonig...

While it’s a fine song, it is definitely not his best, and I’m sure he’d admit that it is not as good as my better ones!

It is, however, better than my song about that night: https://williamcotton.bandcamp.com/track/eve-of-eve

My wife and I, complete strangers beforehand, were two of maybe 15 people who went to see James play at a small bar in SF about ten years ago. That dude has been getting me laid for decades!

Anyways, unless I happen to steal a steam engine high on cocaine or some other act of epic folklore there’s no chance in hell that some songwriter out there is ever going to write a better song about my life than yours truly.

If it somehow happened it would be an amazing honor.

Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by loandbehold on Thursday November 24, 2022 @12:34AM (#33728071)
You obviously wrote this whole story to brag about your success with women. I expect "I got laid" posts on Reddit, not on HN.
Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by williamcotton on Thursday November 24, 2022 @04:32AM (#33729353)
I'm sorry, but what is obvious here is that you have some massive insecurities around success with women.

Let's follow the thread here. We have an article about learning to be OK with not being extraordinary. We have a comment about the article stating that you can be the best at something, you just need to find your niche. Then we have someone who says it's wrong to lie to people about being able to find a niche. Then I point out that for something like songwriting there is indeed a niche if you're writing about things that are personal. Then this person calls that a coping mechanism and says:

I bet there are lots of songwriters who could make songs about your life that the vast majority of people would agree are better than yours

Well, funny enough, I do know a very talented and accomplished songwriter and he happened to write a song about a memorable night. I happened to write a song about that same memorable night. It's a good enough story that it inspired two songs to be written, professionally recorded, mixed, mastered, and put onto albums with artwork and all of that hoopla and I'm not skittish about retelling a brief synopsis. Tragically, I say that James' song is actually better than my song about the event!

The only song that James has ever written about me is something that triggers your insecurities. Normal adults can indeed mention topical memorable nights like this in casual conversation. Normal adults can joke about "getting laid"... with their wife. Do you get why I added the part about my wife? We literally met at one of James' concerts.

Can you now see the poetry in all of this?

Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by snapcaster on Monday November 28, 2022 @08:07AM (#33773141)
I didn't get that impression at all, I think this comment is revealing more about you than the person you're responding to
Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by Permit on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @02:56PM (#33723767)
> Perhaps it should be; everyone can be the best at something. You have to find your something.

This implies there are at least 8 billion “things to be good at” which I don’t think is necessarily true. I suspect most people are not the best at anything.

Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by moffkalast on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @03:05PM (#33723870)
True. There are far, far more things to be good at. I can make up a completely new board game right now and I'll be the world champion at it immediately.

At a slightly less extreme level, it's always possible to find something niche enough that is just so obscure that you can become the best by persistence alone. Maybe you're the world expert on blue umbrellas manufactured in 1993.

Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by The_Colonel on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @03:22PM (#33724053)
People don't want to be best at something for the sake of it, but because it brings some perks with it - recognition, fame, money. Being the best in a game which literally nobody else knows is largely meaningless. I mean, try it, it doesn't take much time to make up a trivial game. Does it bring any kind of satisfaction to know you're the best in the world (because nobody else knows it)?

(to be fair, there is also inner satisfaction coming from deep understanding and mastering of some activity, but alone it's rarely enough without any external validation to motivate people)

Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by peoplefromibiza on Thursday November 24, 2022 @02:18AM (#33728594)
> I can make up a completely new board game right now and I'll be the world champion at it immediately.

That sounds intuitively true, but it's not.

I thought the same thing, until I met an actual board game genius who beat me at every single game we played that I invented and practiced before playing against him.

That's why he makes a pretty good living creating and selling board games and I don't.

People with talents do exist, unless board games is your thing, it won't work.

Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by slavik81 on Thursday November 24, 2022 @03:27AM (#33728964)
This sounds suspiciously like the story of Duke Devlin.
Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by googlryas on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @04:14PM (#33724619)
Maybe there are with combinations. I might be the best programmer who can do woodworking, play flamenco guitar, and squat 475 lbs. I'm just waiting for that category to be added to the Olympics.
Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by ip26 on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @04:49PM (#33724967)
I think your real niche is going to be creating software for luthiers that enables you to design the flamenco guitar of your dreams. Critically, you discover the ideal guitar body for flamenco is incredibly heavy…
Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by toofy on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @09:51PM (#33727338)
so you’re the best at making yourself happy.

this is a good thing.

Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by Dylan16807 on Thursday November 24, 2022 @04:03AM (#33729164)
That seems like a leap to me. I bet there's plenty of people who could take over that life and rough set of preferences and do a better job of being happy.
Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by toofy on Thursday November 24, 2022 @04:24AM (#33729304)
i mean, sure? then they’re making themselves happy.

again, this is a good thing, they’re happy.

Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by Dylan16807 on Thursday November 24, 2022 @04:36AM (#33729373)
If I say that some people would be happier in some kind of impossible to reach theoretical, that's not a good thing, is it?

And the person you were talking to didn't even say they were happy! They just said they're the best at some combination of things. Even assuming they are happy, they're probably not near the top of the happiness charts. "best at making yourself happy" looks to me like a completely unfounded guess/hope.

Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @03:11PM (#33723941)
Not best, no. I can be top 10% at a few things, though. Not many, but more than one.

Top 10% doesn't necessarily make me "extraordinary", depending on how you define it. It's enough for it to be part of my something, though.

Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by 1auralynn on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @03:22PM (#33724054)
There was a part in Isaac Asimov's autobiography that stuck with me, where in high school he wasn't the best student in any subject. However, he was the SECOND best at EVERY subject, whereas the "best" students were only the best at one subject. So I think for some people, there is value in not being the "best" at anything but being good a lots of things regardless of overall ranking.
Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by etrautmann on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @03:36PM (#33724201)
This is what I’ve been implicitly optimizing for my whole life. Breadth over depth, but applied to a field. Pretty good at a lot of things to enable synthesis and creativity across domains. I’m very comfortable not maxing out a narrow set of sun skills, since 95% if the effort goes into the last little bit if performance, and the opportunity cost is then many other skills (or experiences or whatever)
Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by myself248 on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @05:00PM (#33725064)
A jack of all trades, master of none, is oftentimes better than a master of one.
Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by Dylan16807 on Thursday November 24, 2022 @04:10AM (#33729204)
Trying to be second best in a large group will also destroy you.

But okay, let's say 95th percentile to make it more achievable. Well, a normal person can reach 95th percentile in several things, but that's out of a list of hundreds of things or more. Being 95th percentile in most things is not going to happen, let alone all things.

Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by etblg on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @03:41PM (#33724268)
As people growing up in Canada were reminded of repeatedly, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX6qUFm1HsI