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Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by k__ on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @01:26PM (#33709079)
Web2: you stop paying a cloud provider, your data is gone.

Web3: you stop paying a network, your data stays online. Either because it's permanent by default (blockchain, blockweave) or because people deem it interesting and pin it (IPFS)

Seems like a fundamental improvement to me.

Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by vkou on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @01:47PM (#33709422)
Web2 - stores exabytes of data.

Web3 - stores a few text files and rotten hyperlinks to jpgs of (if you're lucky) poorly-drawn apes and (if you're unlucky) rugs, while setting billions of dollars on fire.

Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by k__ on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @01:56PM (#33709559)
I think, you should look into Filecoin and Arweave.

Your assumptions seem to be based on the (rather specific) use-case of art NFTs. They got quite some hype, but to be honest, I didn't get them either.

Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by this_user on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @02:07PM (#33709745)
Why exactly would you trust random strangers with your critical data rather than use S3?
Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by jhoechtl on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @02:22PM (#33710014)
In the same sense I trusted my MP3 downloads on eDonkey before the records association played a foul game.
Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by Godel_unicode on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @04:30PM (#33711784)
s/played a foul game/forced me to pay for what I’d been stealing/

FTFY.

Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by Dzugaru on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @02:24PM (#33710052)
There is one reason is that the protocol of storage is open. Doesn't mean the thing can't die obviously, but there is some hope that someone will continue to store the data - there is some incentive (crypto value, however low or unstable that can be) to do that.

Also, nothing stops you from storing the critical data in S3 too. I wouldn't bet what will last longer as a permanent storage.

Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by vkou on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @02:22PM (#33710019)
1. Both the mindshare and marketshare of NFTs and similar garbage dwarfs any use of Filecoin.

2. Dropbox and Drive are cheaper and better. S3 is cheaper.

Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by k__ on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @02:28PM (#33710106)
1. That's not really an argument. There is literally exabytes of data on Filecoin (https://stats.filecoin.io/d/z6FtI92Zz/filecoin-chain-stats?o...)

2. And gone if you stop paying.

Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by ceejayoz on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @02:34PM (#33710192)
> And gone if you stop paying.

Are Filecoin nodes all hosting files for free? I can put a terabyte of files on there and it'll never go away?

Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by foobiekr on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @03:20PM (#33710904)
No. That is all a lie.
Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by vkou on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @02:32PM (#33710175)
1. That's capacity, that's not usage. I don't care about imagined usage, I care about actual usage.

2. No, it'll just be gone if crypto crashes enough and the miners sell or turn down their hardware (Probably precipitated by some fraud in some other part of the ecosystem unwinding).

There's a reason nobody has built the next Dropbox on Filecoin. [1]

[1] I mean, you can do that, if you have Einstein hair, and your goal is to grift dumb VC money, but you're not going to put together a better product.

Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by foobiekr on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @03:19PM (#33710892)
This. It is amazing to me that the cult members talk about the fiction as if their take on it is real instead of the reality.
Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by ok123456 on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @02:04PM (#33709696)
Web3: your data is gone once VCs stop incinerating money into Web3 startups.
Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by k__ on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @02:10PM (#33709819)
Yes, I think there aren't many chains that could live on without VC money.
Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by ceejayoz on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @02:08PM (#33709772)
> Either because it's permanent by default (blockchain, blockweave)...

https://coloradosun.com/2022/11/21/brush-eastern-colorado-se...

> Two school administrators on Colorado’s Eastern Plains were accused of possessing child pornography when they investigated a school sexting case last April. No one said the men were trying to distribute the images or had bad intent. The girl in the photos and her parents begged police and prosecutors to drop charges against the men. But one of them, 32-year-old Bradley Bass, is facing up to 12 years in prison and the possibility of being branded a sex offender. He’d have to give up his career in education, and wouldn’t be able to parent his toddler and baby boy.

> Bass violated a Colorado law that says even unintentionally possessing explicit images of kids is akin to having child pornography. Even parents could be prosecuted under the broad language of the statute.

That's not gonna be a fun collision between technology and the legal system.

Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by mschuster91 on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @02:36PM (#33710229)
Good god where has common sense in the police and justice system gone so far off the rails that this came to court and didn't get thrown out immediately?!
Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by smoldesu on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @02:17PM (#33709927)
IPFS isn't Web3
Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by Kiro on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @02:22PM (#33710015)
It's in the Web3 picture in the article.
Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by k__ on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @02:25PM (#33710058)
I met many Protocol Labs people on crypto conferences and they pretty much see themselves as one of the core web3 technologies.
Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by smoldesu on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @02:28PM (#33710103)
They were very influential to Web3. That being said, it's like saying that BitTorrent is a Web3 protocol just because the general interests/end goals are shared between projects.
Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by k__ on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @02:32PM (#33710170)
The creator of BitTorrent also sees himself and his technology as an important part of web3.
Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by Godel_unicode on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @04:37PM (#33711877)
Which is a pretty solid proof that web3 isn’t a real thing.
Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by dehrmann on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @03:02PM (#33710634)
How does that retention strategy scale?
Re:Web 3.0 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to... by lottin on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @03:49PM (#33711305)
A fundamental improvement in terms of what? The cloud provider provides a service conditional on being paid, whereas what you call "the network" seems to provide the service for free. Who's paying for the service?