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Re:You can’t out-shoot a teenager: how to play FPS games if ... by snarfy on Thursday November 17, 2022 @01:22PM (#33643262)
I play Unreal Tournament 2004, Unreal Tournament 4, Quake Champions, and Fortnite. I'm 47 years old.

I'm by no means the greatest aim, but I can hold my own against semi-pro players, players that typically compete for money in tournaments. I'm often accused of being a bot.

some tips:

1. Good equipment. I have 240fps monitor and wired gaming mouse. I thought I had it good with 60fps monitor but it makes a world of difference to have more.

2. Good settings. Your mouse sensitivity should be very low. I move my arm about 14 inches left/right to perform 180 rotation. It's a lot of movement and a bit of a workout, but it's the only way to make those flick headshots consistently. My mouse dps is set at 350, but really depends on your resolution also. My X resolution / mouse DPS = 4.8 (1680/350).

3. Good technique. Use your elbow and shoulder only for aiming. Do not use your wrist. Your wrist should always be straight.

4. Practice, of course! I play for about 20 minutes vs bots before I even go online.

Re:You can’t out-shoot a teenager: how to play FPS games if ... by sph on Thursday November 17, 2022 @01:25PM (#33643302)
This guy frags.
Re:You can’t out-shoot a teenager: how to play FPS games if ... by o_1 on Thursday November 17, 2022 @01:28PM (#33643349)
4. couldn't agree more warmup is key
Re:You can’t out-shoot a teenager: how to play FPS games if ... by hunterb123 on Thursday November 17, 2022 @01:29PM (#33643374)
2. I play with very high sensitivity. Flicks are based on muscle memory. You know how much energy and what direction to throw it in. You click when you know the cursor will about to be flying over them.

3. I play by squeezing the mouse between my thumb and pinky when I'm read to lock the mouse in place (like a doorstop). Then roll the mouse on the pads of the fingers to micro adjust. Letting go and flinging with arm and elbow for larger movement.

Everything is just prediction, muscle memory, and spatial awareness. Most of my shots I can't process during, they don't seem possible. But it's because of muscle memory.

You're acting underneath your reaction time, calculating their trajectory and where they will be, flicking the mouse to their future spot with power and angle based on previous flicks, clicking it when you "feel" it would have connected usually.

Use your lizard brain!

Re:You can’t out-shoot a teenager: how to play FPS games if ... by josefresco on Thursday November 17, 2022 @01:42PM (#33643563)
> Your mouse sensitivity should be very low.

> Use your elbow and shoulder only for aiming.

What in the WHAT?!? As a fellow 40+ year old gamer, who's played more Q3A and UT4 AND Counter-Strike than I'd care to admit, I've never heard or scene this strategy. You must be very entertaining to watch with all the ...flailing about!

UPDATE: I watched some YT videos of competition and while there's no "flailing" there's definitely increased arm movement. TIL thanks guys!

Re:You can’t out-shoot a teenager: how to play FPS games if ... by xboxnolifes on Thursday November 17, 2022 @01:44PM (#33643592)
You've never heard about using low sens and arm aiming? That's basically every counter strike player I've ever met or pro I know about (plus every other tactical shooter with low slow enough movement).
Re:You can’t out-shoot a teenager: how to play FPS games if ... by josefresco on Thursday November 17, 2022 @01:48PM (#33643652)
No, and I've been playing CS since Beta 3 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Re:You can’t out-shoot a teenager: how to play FPS games if ... by happytoexplain on Thursday November 17, 2022 @01:56PM (#33643767)
I can confirm that this is common for players above a certain skill level (not me).
Re:You can’t out-shoot a teenager: how to play FPS games if ... by kipchak on Thursday November 17, 2022 @01:53PM (#33643724)
You can see something somewhat similar here, though I don't think many people use high acceleration anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEamcaYyoa0

Re:You can’t out-shoot a teenager: how to play FPS games if ... by josefresco on Thursday November 17, 2022 @04:53PM (#33646368)
In the handful of CS:GO/Apex competition videos I watched, none featured such extreme arm movements. I also asked my hardcore gaming teen nephew if he "arm aims" and he was not familiar at all. His exact reply was "you mean aim with your whole arm lol?"
Re:You can’t out-shoot a teenager: how to play FPS games if ... by kipchak on Thursday November 17, 2022 @07:12PM (#33647917)
That clip is definitely an extreme example, something like below as a hybrid example diving into arm aim and wrist aim is more typical. trouble is having your sensitivity low enough for fine motions, while still being able to do large movements like a 180 fairly easily/without having to lift and recenter, both of which depend on personal preference. Depends a bit on the game too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLO_y8CLOyU

Re:You can’t out-shoot a teenager: how to play FPS games if ... by TheHappyOddish on Monday November 28, 2022 @04:40PM (#33780165)
I do a lot of work in pro level eSports, and while that video is a little extreme, full arm movement for aiming (especially for awpers/snipers) is normal.
Re:You can’t out-shoot a teenager: how to play FPS games if ... by keithnz on Thursday November 17, 2022 @01:50PM (#33643683)
it's the way to go, small keyboard, big mouse pad.
Re:You can’t out-shoot a teenager: how to play FPS games if ... by spywaregorilla on Thursday November 17, 2022 @01:48PM (#33643656)
It's also very handy if you want to draw a nice looking circle. Much more accurate.
Re:You can’t out-shoot a teenager: how to play FPS games if ... by adrift on Thursday November 17, 2022 @01:48PM (#33643653)
Arm aiming is the way.
Re:You can’t out-shoot a teenager: how to play FPS games if ... by Seanambers on Thursday November 17, 2022 @01:54PM (#33643743)
Having played online FPS since the 90s I agree with you. I'm old but reflexes is rarely where the game is won or lost.

Good equipment is a way more important aspect and good amount of recent gametime of course.

Re:You can’t out-shoot a teenager: how to play FPS games if ... by nonrandomstring on Thursday November 17, 2022 @01:56PM (#33643785)
You're not much younger than I. Only ever had a modest rig (for the times) and a rotten ping, In those days playing on US or Scandinavian servers from London with a ping of 250 was normal, and we used dial-up modems. I hit my peak in FPS at about 30 and could stay top the board in any counterstrike or team fortress server for as long as I wanted. Always got accused of cheating of course.

I put my good playing skill down to knowing the maps. Most Unreal Tournament, TFC and CS servers ran the same old maps all day and night. I had every angle and line of sight worked out. Once you had a few killer moves worked out it became muscle memory and anticipation. What you see, in terms of great frames-per-second and resolution becomes less important.

By 40 my reaction time had dropped. I got humiliated on new games. It also took longer to learn new maps and find the good timing and sweet spots. That part of my brain gets very little exercise these days.

Re:You can’t out-shoot a teenager: how to play FPS games if ... by PyComfy on Thursday November 17, 2022 @02:26PM (#33644244)
34yo here, got called a cheater constantly, even by "top" players. Despite using a slow sensitivity myself, i would say that slow/fast sensitivity or wrist/arm aiming doesn't matter; I have seen plenty of people being very efficient with each technique. Just use what you are the most comfortable with. Something specific that tremendously helped me is putting fingers on each side of the mouse to lift it a little, the mouse is no more touching the mousepad, only your fingers, that way i can stop moving much more precisely. You no more think about aiming with the mouse but with your hand. When i need a slower sensitivity, i just lift the mouse higher. In the past i was playing with a CRT monitor at 160hz, now i am playing with a IPS monitor at 144hz (LG 27gl850-b); i have seen no difference in performing at KovaaK aim trainer[1]. Something that actually made a difference is where the sensor is located under the mouse. More the sensor was toward the back of the mouse (toward the wrist), more my aim was degrading. I also once tried a vertical mouse (Trust GXT 144) and did my best score ever in tracking, it was like holding a pen.

[1] https://store.steampowered.com/app/824270/KovaaKs/

Re:You can’t out-shoot a teenager: how to play FPS games if ... by ordu on Thursday November 17, 2022 @06:54PM (#33647750)
> I'm 47 years old. > to make those flick headshots consistently.

I'd say that you are playing for strengths of your age. It is a motor coordination, teenagers are known to be bad at it. IIRC it peaks somewhere around 40 years old and then slowly declines. Can't think where to find a link, I believe I've read something about it in regard to pianists.

Re:You can’t out-shoot a teenager: how to play FPS games if ... by singularity2001 on Thursday November 17, 2022 @07:42PM (#33648202)
Good equipment... and here I am playing rust with 30 FPS (not exaggerating) and wondering why my KD barely hits 1.