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Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by jstummbillig on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @11:53AM (#33437830)
> It's just better. Definitely better than crappy Google Maps

I struggling to see how anything could be "definitely" better than "crappy" Google Maps. To me, GMaps has made navigation about as exciting as using a door knob. It works without fail, and is so incredibly mundane, that the thought of forming a strong opinion about it makes me drowsy.

Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by hbn on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @12:29PM (#33438491)
I try to not use Google services where I can help it, but not using Google Maps to me just feels like risking screwing up my day. The fact that it's what everyone uses makes it the safe bet. They have so many users being tracked in real-time to reroute me around detours and traffic jams as soon as they happen, I don't really want to try anything else.

If I use an alternative and get stuck in traffic, I'm not gonna be thinking about how proud I am of myself for sitting in traffic in the name of sticking it to Google. I'm gonna be thinking "should have used Google Maps"

Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by groovybits on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @01:21PM (#33439524)
I've been using Apple Maps as my regular navigator since iOS 15.0 general release, and I've been impressed.

The audio directions are much clearer - e.g. "Go through this light, and at the next one turn right".

The integration with Siri and CarPlay is very handy - e.g. "Hey Siri, get directions to Bob's house".

And the traffic data is noticeably better in the last year.

Disclaimer: I live in suburban U.S. - I've heard less good things about AM in rural areas.

Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by jupp0r on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @01:37PM (#33439818)
Apple Maps still can't accurately route people to my house in suburban California. They end up one block over.
Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by llbeansandrice on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @04:00PM (#33442111)
Have you tired submitting an issue? No one could map to a place I used to live out in the sticks accurately but I submitted a bug/issue to Google Maps and Apple and they fixed it.
Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by jupp0r on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @06:45PM (#33443907)
No I haven't. Will totally do that in order to save time explaining to friends why they can't use Apple Maps for navigation to my house. I just assumed that submitting maps bugs is the same /dev/null form as normal bugs for Apple software, but it seems it's a separate process and they are actually responsive. Thanks!
Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by groovybits on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @09:00AM (#33518989)
FWIW, I have submitted Apple Maps corrections several times in the app, and have always received notifications that my map updates were completed within 1-2 weeks.

Ranging from simple updates like hours, address corrections - to more human-oriented updates like "The end destination point is about 500 ft off from the actual location".

I believe someone really is looking at them and correcting them.

Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by lotsofpulp on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @12:14PM (#33438208)
Same, the integration and sharing and real time traffic of Google and Apple Maps are basically impossible to compete with, in areas where they are available.
Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by kevin_thibedeau on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @01:57PM (#33440189)
> It works without fail

So long as you have a data connection or planned ahead with a downloaded region.

Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by yencabulator on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @02:12PM (#33440427)
- And don't trust the routing in the actually remote areas, and prep your drive by putting GPS coordinates in your driving route -- but that's true of the competition too.

- And have a vehicle that's the size of a normal passenger car. (I used to own a special "RV GPS" that had better data on bridge heights and weight limits.)

Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by gambiting on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @04:04PM (#33442178)
In my experience - it's just frequently wrong, to a point where I don't feel confident using it. Telling you to turn where you can't, going wrong way up one-way streets, showing you that streets connect on the map where they actually don't.......I could keep going. I keep reporting errors and they never get fixed. Like I mentioned in another comment there's a road near my work which has a no-left-turn sign but Google maps still keeps telling me to turn left there - I've been reporting that error since at least 2018 but no one cares. One of my friends lives on a new(5 years old) estate and Google still doesn't recognize his address despite many submissions to Google to fix this. Another lives in a Victorian house that hasn't moved for over a century last time I checked, yet you won't find it on Google maps - Google still insists his address is several streets over.

Maybe it's just the UK maps and it works fine elsewhere, I don't know.

Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by ThamesJ on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @04:52PM (#33442755)
It’s interesting how anecdotal people’s perspectives on Google maps navigation ends up being. Personally GMaps has never failed me (UK based) in the best part of a decade, if anything it has been consistently worryingly accurate, and everyone I know has had a similar experience. As I’ve seen others say in this thread “it just works” without fail. Due to that it’s unbelievable (to me) that others have had such an experience as yours. Do you think a fault in alphabet’s mapping processes in certain geographic areas may have caused this?
Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by ddulaney on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @06:08PM (#33443598)
I've experienced both sides. My rough sense of it is:

If you're in a city or suburb with a Google office, it's spotless, including transit options that are often customized to the city itself.

If you're in a city or suburb without a Google office, it's reliable on roads but probably doesn't cover transit particularly well. I'm not sure if the Google vs. non-Google office is just a bias towards the kind of cities Google would put an office in as opposed to the presence of an office making a difference, but Pittsburgh is much better than Columbus or Jacksonville despite being a smaller city.

If you're in a rural area, it's much rougher. Private roads marked as public roads are the biggest thing I've noticed (presumably because aerial maps can't help much there), but also things like ATV tracks and driveways marked as roads and missing one-way indicators (i.e. routing the wrong way up a one-way street).

Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by muti on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @10:11PM (#33446012)
There's no google office where I live, but google maps will show detailed transit information including exactly where on its route the bus you are waiting for is.

There's an attribution saying the data is coming from the local metro provider, who has their own interface for accessing the same data, but having it in google maps is nice as it integrates well with other navigation.

So I would say it comes down more to who has partnered with google to make the data more accessible.

Maybe more anecdotal, but I have had great mileage with google maps for navigation while driving too. The government department for land information does make almost all GIS data publicly available which probably helps too.

Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by ddulaney on Friday November 04, 2022 @12:44AM (#33462299)
> The government department for land information does make almost all GIS data publicly available

That’s awesome! What country is this, if you don’t mind me asking? GIS datasets are really fun to play with.

Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by mcv on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @03:48AM (#33528882)
I think Google has some kind of presence in Amsterdam (though not a big one), but they frequently have problems. I think there are two kinds of situation that Google Maps handles poorly:

* Bicycle route. They're just terrible at it. Better now than they were some years ago (when major bike routes were completely ignored), but still not great. They still prefer to send you along car routes instead of dedicated bike routes, even when those are shorter.

* Construction work (I don't think TomTom will be any better at this, though). Sometimes they do know construction work is ongoing; for example the Piet Hein tunnel near my house is closed for more than a year, and Google is aware of this. But they also don't show routes across the Amsterdamse Brug, which is still open, and the only real alternative. So instead they send you across crazy detours all over the city. But recently I was riding to Diemen along the Amsterdam-Rijnkanaal, and it turned out that dike was closed due to construction work. Big work with signs everywhere, but Google had no idea, and because there wasn't an easy way around, I had to take a big detour that would have been a lot smaller if Google had been aware of this.

Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by scottLobster on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @06:33PM (#33443813)
It's not just the UK. I'm in the Philadelphia Area US and Google Maps has only failed me once out in the suburbs where it didn't know a road was blocked (and that was probably just timing/lack of reporting).

I use it daily to make sure my commute doesn't have any wrecks I'll have to work around, and any time I'm going somewhere unfamiliar. It really got stress tested on our way back from Tenessee during the eclipse exodus a few years ago, routed us (and lots of cars around us lol) through all sorts of Appalachia back-roads when the main highways were clogged and got us home just fine.

Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by LAC-Tech on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @06:36PM (#33443838)
FWIW I live in a newer house on a country road, told google where it was and what number it was, and it was there on the maps a few weeks later. This was in NZ.

With the incredibly large sample size of two I have to conclude it's region specific.

Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by jasonfarnon on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @07:41PM (#33444454)
does it rely much on user reporting? I figured google maps was smarter than that. it would have the data to see that no one takes a left at that no-left street you mentioned.
Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by gambiting on Thursday November 03, 2022 @04:11PM (#33456802)
Except that people absolutely take that left turn despite the sign - it's just a very convenient shortcut, and UK has extremely lax enforcement on the road. The chances of getting a ticket for taking an illegal turn are close to zero. So Google will have the data that a left turn is indeed possible there, because clearly - people are taking it. Me reporting the "no left turn" sign is probably treated as malicious since clearly - in real life people are taking this turn all the time.
Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by 98codes on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @04:37PM (#33442599)
It (and all other GPS apps I've tried) work well enough, until you try to go somewhere you know well and have to turn it off to stop it from trying to reroute you over & over again.

If any app would allow me to have some sort of ability to let me set a level of "pain" (traffic, stoplights, smaller roads, extra turns) that's acceptable vs. a level of time savings, I'd use that app and never look back.

The number of times I've gone seemingly way out of the way only to rejoin a highway 30 minutes later in order to save 2 minutes total (vs the traffic I would have sat in) is way too damn high.

Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by TulliusCicero on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @05:31PM (#33443182)
> until you try to go somewhere you know well and have to turn it off to stop it from trying to reroute you over & over again.

In those cases I just mute it, there's always a mute button.

Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by zepppotemkin on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @05:47PM (#33443343)
Yeah, in Chicago at least google maps tends to go into a panic attack, it's distracting and has nearly caused me a few accidents
Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by AussieWog93 on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @05:50PM (#33443391)
>If any app would allow me to have some sort of ability to let me set a level of "pain" (traffic, stoplights, smaller roads, extra turns) that's acceptable vs. a level of time savings, I'd use that app and never look back.

In all seriousness, have you tried Waze? Gives multiple options each time you search, allowing to choose routes that are simpler, or maybe partially but not fully use tolls.

Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by 98codes on Monday November 07, 2022 @03:41PM (#33512094)
I used Waze constantly in the DC area, was a godsend. Then I moved to Seattle where apparently comparatively nobody uses it -- without a ton of users, Waze isn't much better than the rest, sadly.
Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by gknoy on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @06:31PM (#33443797)
I'd love a setting that would silence directions when I am within $distance of home, and have home set as my destination. I don't really need to be told to turn on my own street, or the streets I always use to get to my street.
Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by knodi123 on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @06:51PM (#33443967)
Google maps actually tried to kill me once. I was driving down Hwy 59, to a remote farm I'd never been to before, and for some reason Google Maps thought that there was a break in the highway. Like someone with an eraser just swiped a 1-inch stripe across the highway that was impassable.

I trusted it because I didn't really know where I was going, and it had never let me down before. So I followed its instructions down a series of little farm roads to detour around the "break". Except one of the roads crossed under a raging stream, and was only passable during the dry season. I actually fishtailed a little to stop, because the road was slightly downhill and made of dirt. If I had followed the instructions, I would have died.

Anyway, I submitted a bug report about that highway break, and 5 months later Google wrote back and said my fix had been accepted! How thrilling.

Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by devilbunny on Thursday November 03, 2022 @02:19PM (#33455139)
I just ignore it when it's going on and on and I'm headed to a destination I know well. Or I'll turn it off when I'm within a mile or so, I just want to use the traffic awareness to make sure I don't end up in an unexpected jam.

One slight oddity - it doesn't seem to care about which side of the street your destination is on in a lot of cases. Sure, in a suburban neighborhood, that's irrelevant. But in a city with two-way traffic on the street, it can matter quite a lot.

Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by tus666 on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @04:55PM (#33442799)
Does it work without fail when you drive out of range of mobile reception?
Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by NavinF on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @04:59PM (#33442836)
Yes as long as I've downloaded offline maps which I always do when I leave the bay area.
Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by devilbunny on Thursday November 03, 2022 @02:22PM (#33455189)
If it has planned the route while within service, it actually does. It guided me from Vegas to Yosemite (via Lee Vining and the Tioga Pass) without trouble despite several areas of no service. It had registered the waypoints and knew where it was, even if I couldn't load any additional map data. (I had not saved the area for offline use.)
Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by HollowEyes on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @05:21PM (#33443078)
I just can't get on with gmaps, I stumble with the UI every time.
Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by jasonfarnon on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @07:50PM (#33444560)
I remember how many years it refused to save route preferences like "avoid tolls" or "avoid highways". You would have to set them anew for each route search.
Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by rsj_hn on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @08:27PM (#33444958)
I've seen a marked decline in the speed and usefulness of google maps over the last 10 years or so. I'm not sure whether they are cramming too many features into it, so the UI becomes too cumbersome from it's original use case, or that they are having issues with data quality, but I find needing to retype different searches more often, and just interacting with the UI more to get the same information (which in my case is almost always "find the nearest X" and then "plan a route from where I am to X".)
Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by snarfy on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @06:43PM (#33443890)
Purpose-built tools are always superior to multi-tools for the purpose they were built.

A phone running google maps is a multi-tool.

Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by ForHackernews on Thursday November 03, 2022 @02:17AM (#33447680)
Do you live in California, USA?

Google Maps is quite terrible in many parts of the world that are not-America. In Europe, it routinely suggests absolutely insane "shorcuts" because it doesn't seem to understand that even though a narrow, winding country lane with stone walls on either side may have a 90 kph speed limit, it would be suicide to actually drive at that speed.

Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by nottorp on Thursday November 03, 2022 @06:15AM (#33449042)
YMMV. Google sent me to shortcuts that couldn't be called roads at least 3 times since i've been using it.

They also have a tendency to make you stick to the main - congested - roads. You won't notice unless you're a local to the area though, so let's say that's good enough.

Waze in my experience seems to have more realistic ETAs and is better at routing around traffic jams. Even though it's built on Google Maps.

However I'm in Romania and I do long weekends in mountain retreats in the middle of nowhere. As I said, YMMV.

Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by lm28469 on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:48AM (#33451832)
It really depends on where you live and what you do.

One time it wanted me to walk through the waste/sewer pipes of Mallorca to go from a beach to the city center, let me tell you it's not a pedestrian path.

Re:TomTom announces new Maps Platform using OpenStreetMap by gertrunde on Thursday November 03, 2022 @01:19PM (#33454271)
The short version is that Google Maps is 'free', it's not terrible, and it's better than nothing. (And often better than the integrated in-car satnav systems - although that's not so much because Maps is good as because the in-car systems are often quite bad - the Tomtom & Garmin integrated options being a notable exception).

But Maps is definitely worse than dedicated navigation devices, although it does improve over time.

There are certain things it is particularly bad at, for example routing down slow 20mph residential roads with speed bumps.

But... are the dedicated navigation devices so much better than Google Maps to justify the increased cost? Probably not for 99% of people.

I used to use a Garmin satnav, and plug it in to my laptop and use Garmin's software to do my travel expenses, full tracking of all my movements, and it's my data to do with as I wish with no concerns. I can do the same thing through Google Timeline... but it's not even close to as well executed, and gives me serious data privacy concerns... because Google.