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Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by tristor on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @11:12AM (#33437133)
I have never had any of the issues described in this article and I've been using AirPods w/ an iPhone and a MacBook since AirPods came out. My issue with phone calls is 1. Robocalls 2. Robocalls 3. Robocalls 4. Robocalls 5. Robocalls

I've been all over the world, and it is straight up fucked how bad this issue is in the US and it's not like this elsewhere. It's completely fixable, but American telcos make money off letting scammers operating boiler rooms in India steal money from your grandparents, so they're happy to utterly destroy any utility that a phone has.

It's gotten so bad I just don't answer my phone unless it's a call from someone I know. The few times (like now, unfortunately) I expect a call from an unknown number related to follow-up for in-person business, when I answer 95% or more of incoming calls are scams/spam. This is with "Spam Block" enabled, that already blocks known scam/robocall numbers AND NoMoRobo, what slips through is still the majority spam/scams.

I can't even imagine walking around with a cellular phone in 2022 without any of these tools, it's probably a hellscape just like using the web in 2022 without uBlock Origin, NoScript, and PiHole.

We can do better, and the adtech industry + the telcos making money off straight up scammers has destroyed the very fabric of technology as used for social connection.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by filoleg on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @11:28AM (#33437421)
> I've been all over the world, and it is straight up fucked how bad this issue is in the US and it's not like this elsewhere.

Not trying to defend US or its telecoms here, but I think it has more to do with scammers trying to maximize for profit.

Just like with malware heavily targeting Windows instead of macOS/Linux, or some apps prioritizing iOS instead of Android (by either launching as iOS-only and then introducing an Android version later, or just not holding up the quality and polish of the iOS version on Android). It isn't because Windows is inherently more insecure, and not because Android is a worse platform. It is simply because it makes sense moneywise.

Why would a scammer focus on targeting low-disposable-income countries, if they, on average, can extract as much money from one US person as they would have to from 10-15 people in Phillipines. For scammers, it seems to be simply more profitable and efficient to target US residents.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by zinekeller on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @11:40AM (#33437632)
> Why would a scammer focus on targeting low-disposable-income countries, if they, on average, can extract as much money from one US person as they would have to from 10-15 people in Phillipines.

I don't think anyone disputes this, but apart from Canada (which has a largely similar telco structure) no other developed country has this plague of undesirable robocalls. You could probably net a similar payout in the UK or Germany but as far as I'm aware there isn't a robocall problem in Europe.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by aikendrum on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @11:40AM (#33437618)
This is nothing to do with low or high income countries. Europe exists. I've lived (and had local phones) in Ireland, Germany and the UK. I've never had a spam call. I've had less than 10 spam texts ever. The US (from an outsider perspective) just doesn't seem to enforce consumer protections in general.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by dfxm12 on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @11:45AM (#33437704)
Are you implying US is the only non-low-disposable-income country? lol. This isn't a problem in say, Switzerland, Australia, Japan, etc., as it is in the US.

Also, the most spammed country appears to be Brazil, and it is far from the top of the disposable income lists. Many among the most spammed countries don't register on the top disposable income lists.

There's something else at play here. Likely legislation/regulation.

Spam info: https://www.truecaller.com/blog/insights/truecaller-insights...

Disposable income: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_household_and_per_c...

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by filoleg on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @12:53PM (#33438960)
> Are you implying US is the only non-low-disposable-income country?

Not at all. The rest are just not that viable for a multitude of reasons. How many people do Switzerland and Australia have, compared to the US? Much less. And Japan isn't english-speaking, so I dont expect foreign scammers putting effort into learning japanese just for that. They already struggle enough with english.

To be fair, all of that is just me trying to reason through it myself, so there definitely could be other reasons at play here as well.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by ggreer on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @01:08PM (#33439280)
Your spam info link is to Truecaller, which measures how much their users in each country get spam calls. That's definitely not a random sample of each country's users, so it's hard to say whether their conclusions are correct.

I hadn't considered the money angle before, but it makes a lot of sense. The poorest US state (Mississippi) has higher per capita disposable income than the 6th highest-ranked country (Norway). Every state other than Mississippi has a higher per capita disposable income than Australia. There are a ton of Americans, they're rich, and almost all of them speak the most popular language on the planet. The US has a high fraction of immigrants (12% of the population), so many Americans aren't immediately suspicious of accents. Compared to other countries, the US is a big juicy target.

1. https://www.statista.com/statistics/303534/us-per-capita-dis...

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by knaekhoved on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @11:29AM (#33437444)
> I have never had any of the issues described in this article and I've been using AirPods w/ an iPhone and a MacBook since AirPods came out

I bought airpods day 1 and I've had every single issue described in the article. Carplay is unreliable. Airpods are unreliable. As apple hardware steadily improves, apple software steadily degrades.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by klooney on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @11:42AM (#33437661)
I got a Pixel phone and spam calls have almost disappeared (1 a month). They seem to be doing something around extra screening that's pretty good and useful.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by daggersandscars on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @12:03PM (#33438024)
If you're using a non-Pixel Android phone, you may be able to get the same benefits by switching from your manufacturer's Phone app to Google's. Doing this on a Samsung S22 Ultra took me from tons of spam calls to none.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by creeble on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @03:53PM (#33442005)
Where does one find this magical app? I see lots of "phone" apps in Play Store, but I can't identify one specifically from Google.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by adriand on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @11:49AM (#33437774)
> I have never had any of the issues described in this article

Really? Because a telephone call is, by definition, between at least two people. And even if you have your shit sorted out, I find it surprising that every one of your contacts does too. Because although I, too, generally have the process down pat (it's true: it's crazy there needs to be a process around this now), a lot of the people I talk to sure don't.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by BeetleB on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @12:22PM (#33438367)
Can echo GP. Simply have not had this been a problem for me. I call. Other party picks up. We start talking.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by spookthesunset on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @11:58AM (#33437930)
> American telcos make money off letting scammers operating boiler rooms in India steal money from your grandparents, so they're happy to utterly destroy any utility that a phone has.

Not sure how telcos profit off scammers. Especially since I would imagine many times their payments are fraudulent. If anything these scammers waste the telco’s time too.

This problem clearly isn’t getting fixed but I feel like saying “telcos make bank off scammers” is just too easy of a reason. There has to be some underlying reason this is a hard problem to solve.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by ralph84 on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @12:07PM (#33438107)
The telco of the user who places the call pays the telco of the user who answers the call. Every scam call that’s actually answered is money in the pocket of the telco that serves the scam victim.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by armchairhacker on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @12:03PM (#33438012)
> It's gotten so bad I just don't answer my phone unless it's a call from someone I know

I have my phone set to silence calls unless they are in my contacts list. I tell people this whenever I give out my phone number.

Honestly I think this should be the norm. There's no reason for a random stranger to need to call you, if they want to reach out they can text or email, and I can't imagine many urgent situations where they can't text, can't forward the message through anyone in my contacts, and can't directly get the authorities to contact me.

The only exception is automated phone calls (e.g. call from a random number for an interview or to confirm 2FA where I can't do SMS), in which case I have to temporarily disable silencing calls. But systems where you get called once from a random number and can't call back are really awful for other reasons...

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by Wowfunhappy on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @12:35PM (#33438594)
> I have my phone set to silence calls unless they are in my contacts list. [...] Honestly I think this should be the norm. There's no reason for a random stranger to need to call you

I teach an after-school coding class. Some weeks ago, the parents of two children didn't arrive at pickup. After 20 minutes, I called the parents using the phone number listed in my company's system. The parents confirmed they were running late due to extenuating circumstances and were now five minutes away.

I think this was probably better than involving the authorities?

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by powersnail on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @01:17PM (#33439441)
Presumably, had silenced call be the social default, the parents would have added your phone number into their contact list on the first day of school, sort of like how you have to add someone on a chat app to talk to them.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by crooked-v on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @02:23PM (#33440583)
Or they would have seen that there was an actual message left and called back.

That's how I tell the scammers from actual calls 95% of the time - the scammers never leave a voicemail.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by dpkirchner on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @03:30PM (#33441645)
I wish that were the case for me. Most calls and most resulting voicemails I receive are from scammers.

It's frustrating because all we'd need is some way to trace calls back to source providers and then let us apply client-side filtering akin to UBlock Origin. Easy.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by Wowfunhappy on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @02:32PM (#33440748)
Parents do not, as a matter of course, have my cell phone number. It's fine for a few families to have it (because e.g. I had to call them at some point), but if every parent in the program was able to message me at any time of day, I would have a problem.

Now, there are other ways this could work. My company has a "director of client services"—let's call her "Anna"—and all parents have Anna's number. So I suppose I could have called Anna, and Anna could have called the parents, and then Anna could have called me back to relay what the parents said. It just would have taken longer.

Of course, Anna is occasionally sick / on vacation / otherwise unavailable, in which case there's a second person—let's call her "Vivian"—who I can reach out to in an emergency. We're an after-school program, so we're not set up to have a centralized office phone, but I guess parents could add Vivian to their contacts as well.

Basically, I'm happy I was able to just call the parents.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by Blahah on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @03:30PM (#33441643)
If someone is looking after my child, I have their number. I block calls from unknown numbers adn and some prefixes, and silence calls from numbers not in my contacts. This is pretty normal I think (because of spam).

I've only once had the problem that someone from the school used their personal mobile to call me and didn't get through, but I was already calling to let them know I'd be late.

There's no reason for parents to be able to contact you socially unless you invite it, but surely you should contact them from a school/shared number?

I'm suggesting this not for the sake of others, but for your sake. Given that people will block unknown numbers, I would think using a known number makes your life easier.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by antasvara on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @03:44PM (#33441881)
It seems odd to me than an after-school program has no set way for parents to contact the program without going through a relay-style process. I agree that the solution shouldn't be "give out your personal phone number," but it also shouldn't be "rely on a person that's not at the program to relay calls to you."

Put another way, how would a parent contact the program in an emergency? They'd likely (as you illustrated) go through an intermediary that may or may not be there. That seems less than ideal, and certainly wouldn't be something that I'd be happy about if my child were in the program.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by Wowfunhappy on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @05:53PM (#33443426)
Y'know, that's a great point. I actually don't know how things look from the parent's side--I can tell you for sure they don't have my number, but "Anna"'s number must be a business phone, as I know parents always have a number they can call.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by mathstuf on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @02:44PM (#33440934)
Android has the option to ring if the same number calls within 15 minutes. I find it handy at least (though my robocall level is really low compared to the tales told here).
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by VLM on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @02:52PM (#33441067)
The authorities have no reason to be involved. It's 20 minutes, and children can take care of themselves.

At least 99.9% of my voicemails are a couple second long robocalls, but in the rare event of it being a genuine phone call, I get the google transcription of someone saying 'please call me back' on my watch and then I do so. Just because I'm willing to glance at notifications on my watch of incoming voicemails for an instant, doesn't mean I'm willing to talk to hundreds of robocallers per month. Its just too expensive.

Voice phone calls are dead, kid discussion would usually be handled via text or email. I don't really get phone calls about my kids. I believe the more corporate-type environments enjoy the written documentation provided by text/email as opposed to unrecorded undocumented phone call.

The era of always-on low-fi audio connections was very short. Just 30 years ago, parents certainly had no electronic tether and had a home phone number, maybe with an answering machine in later years. And now that technology is completely dead and unusable.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by downut on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @03:50PM (#33441965)
My kid is in CA, I am selling a house in AZ, and my wife is buying a house in GA. Most of my friends are out of state. Voice has immense emotional bandwidth advantages over any form of text. It definitely helps everyone in the stress pool maintain levity. I do prefer all business to be conducted through text formats (email preferred) though.

In the case in the GP, maybe a message would have worked too but I don't see the problem with calling.

That said, I get a lot of spam calls on my Fi phone but I simply don't answer if I don't recognize the number. Fi asks me if the number was spam and it's simple to give a brief scan of the transcript if there is one and tell it yes or no.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by mcculley on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @03:50PM (#33441979)
> Voice phone calls are dead

I am amused by this blanket assertion. It really depends on the age/type of people involved and the kinds of interactions they are involved in. I am 50 years old and work in both software consulting and run a tugboat company. I had to take over the tugboat company two years ago due to a death in the family. For 30 years prior to that, I was working almost exclusively in software. During the last couple of years before taking over the tugboat business, I had my phone set to do-not-disturb almost all of the time. In the tugboat business, that does not work at all.

For dealing with software people in purely technical matters, text/Slack/Teams is fine. I respect the needs of others who don't like real-time conversations. For doing business deals in software, I often end up having phone calls with decision makers.

For the tugboat industry, it is too fast paced and too much money is on the line in quick deals to screen phone calls.

Don't assume that everyone works the same way.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by fasthands9 on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @03:29PM (#33441628)
I'm guessing the reason you waited 20 minutes is because you know a call isn't a casual form of communication these days. I think people would say the norm should be that after 10 minutes you text the parents. In most case you will get a response sooner and if the didn't pick up you wouldn't be left wondering if something went wrong or they just dont pick up unknown numbers.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by tristor on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @12:16PM (#33438264)
> I have my phone set to silence calls unless they are in my contacts list.

My ringer is always silenced, I get notified to calls because I have notifications for calling enabled on my watch. I should consider disabling notifications altogether for calls not in my contact list.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by res0nat0r on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @02:47PM (#33440982)
I get tons of spam calls and texts, but I really never see any of them anymore. I'm on Android and Googles distributed spam detection is really working great. I'll get a notice sometimes that I got a txt moved to spam but most of the time I never see these, and it seems to also block all robocalls too and they only go straight to voicemail.

I probably have 15 voicemails right now I never knew came through because they're junk and auto-blocked.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by mcculley on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @03:38PM (#33441777)
> There's no reason for a random stranger to need to call you

I get a lot of calls from people for whom my first introduction/interaction is a phone call. I make a lot of money and otherwise get a lot of value from some of these interactions. Some are completely bogus telemarketer calls, of course, but I find that being reachable is still valuable. I hope that my competitors ignore unsolicited calls.

(This depends on industry and role within an organization. Certainly people who never have to interact with strangers can screen calls. But don't assume this is true for everyone.)

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by ipython on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @03:39PM (#33441784)
That worked until my son was hit by a car, and my wife in her shock had no idea where her phone was. I’m still to this day guilty that I didn’t pick up the phone the first time it rang.

The truth is that this problem will kill the telephone system and honestly if this is how the telcos treat it, it deserves to die.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by SoftTalker on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @03:44PM (#33441882)
What did you have to feel guilty about? You could have done something for your son, remotely, that wasn't already being done?
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by renewiltord on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @04:05PM (#33442191)
When I was in the ICU, the hospital went down my emergency contacts and failed to get a pickup until they dialed my dad. The people who were my emergency contacts were good at handling the process and simplifying things for my parents once they found out (shortly after my parents) but they felt some degree of guilt for having failed to have acted.

There are decisions to be made in these situations - notify work, transfer health information, ensure payment stuff is in order, notify people. It's much nicer to have someone handle all of these things.

And, in the end, I think people would have liked to have seen me before I died, should that have been my fate. And that takes flying out of wherever into wherever.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by stonogo on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @03:53PM (#33442001)
This is utterly bizarre. Why are you inventing conditions the parent poster never mentioned? For all you know they were on a different floor of the hospital, unaware they could have been comforting their child had they but known. Why go out of your way to be an ass about someone else's trauma?
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by tablespoon on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @04:08PM (#33442239)
>> What did you have to feel guilty about? You could have done something for your son, remotely, that wasn't already being done?

> This is utterly bizarre. Why are you inventing conditions the parent poster never mentioned? For all you know they were on a different floor of the hospital, unaware they could have been comforting their child had they but known. Why go out of your way to be an ass about someone else's trauma?

Some people have tenuous connections to humanity. In this case, a failure to understand anything surrounding a loved one's accident, other than the provision of physical care. I think that's somewhat more common with tech people, due to how some idealize aloof "rationality" to an extreme.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by bbarn on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @12:05PM (#33438074)
I get the same issues I did in the US here in Iceland, fwiw. I get the added bonus of no longer being able to use many voice activated features because names aren't phonetically pronounced or simply have characters that aren't recognized by CarPlay.

"Call Þórunn mobile." "I don't have a Thorin." "Call Porun mobile" "I don't have a porun".

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by mathieuh on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @12:07PM (#33438108)
You can give contacts nicknames and Siri will recognise that instead of their main name.

So if you set Þórunn's nickname to be "thorin" Siri will be able to recognise it. Basically just go through your contacts and give them all nicknames that are English phonetic spellings of their real name.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by knicholes on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @12:30PM (#33438514)
Me: "Call Josh" Car: "Calling James. If this is correct say, 'Yes,' otherwise, say, 'Correction'" Me: "Correction" Car: "Calling Gretchen"
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by bobbylarrybobby on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @12:18PM (#33438292)
Not that you should have to do this, but you can tell Siri (using your own voice) how to pronounce your contacts’ names. She’ll transcribe it into IPA or something.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by 01acheru on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @01:33PM (#33439744)
I had to call my mom "Mamma" in every possible field for Siri to call her when I say "Hey Siri call mamma" (I'm Italian but my phone is in English).

Before that she was only "mamma" as first name but I had other "mamma zoe", "mamma ale", "mamma gio" and Siri always wanted to call "mamma zoe" when I said "Hey Siri call mamma".

After filling some fields of my mamma she started asking "Who would you like to call?" and started saying all mammas in my phone book, but when I said "mamma mamma" she started calling a random one or not getting it.

Now that I have my Mamma (first name) Mamma (middle name) Mamma (last name) of company Mamma nicknamed Mamma with email mamma@mamma it works... go figure!

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by SketchySeaBeast on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @01:38PM (#33439841)
I think I have a solution for you, and it's going to be a mother.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by barbazoo on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @12:12PM (#33438180)
Not to jinx it but I haven't gotten any robocalls recently. I'm in Canada and I wonder if the regulations the CRTC introduced around STIR/SHAKEN might have made a difference already?!
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by poxrud on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @01:01PM (#33439156)
I'm also in Canada and get about 5 scam calls per day.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by barbazoo on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @01:27PM (#33439630)
That sucks. Maybe I'm just lucky then. Possibly it depends on the carrier?
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by binkHN on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @12:19PM (#33438312)
My Pixel phone has largely solved this for me. The built-in Call Screening is stellar and I don’t get bothered by robocalls much anymore because of how well the phone handles these.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by david_arcos on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @01:18PM (#33439461)
Same here! "Call Screening" killed all the robocalls, or potential robocalls.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by JoshTriplett on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @01:27PM (#33439632)
Likewise. Half the spammers hang up the moment I activate call screening, the other half (probably automated) keep talking and then I hit the spam button. All the (marginal) benefit of saying "take me off your spam list", far less trouble.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by InCityDreams on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @01:04PM (#33439206)
Top tip (eu based). Don't hang up. Let the robo talk.

Often, a human comes on afterwards. Don't talk to them. If I'm at home (alone) i try and load some porn on the pc and have that play to them. Otherwise, go to the bathroom.

They're paid to talk to you....if you're not talking, some supervisor will notice and eventually you get blacklisted.

Waste their time, not yours.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by achow on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @01:05PM (#33439239)
> It's gotten so bad I just don't answer my phone unless it's a call from someone I know

In my case 90% of time people I know call over WhatsApp or other Voip calls.

Whereas 100% of phone calls from 'critical strangers' are over phone. 'Critical strangers' are delivery persons or cab drivers or courier or office colleagues... those who are calling to find out my whereabouts (critical in that context).

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by glonq on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @01:23PM (#33439552)
I get far more robocalls than real calls.

I really appreciate the call screening feature of Google's Pixel phones!

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by WorldMaker on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @02:01PM (#33440263)
Yeah, I thought this article was going to be about robocalls. I don't think I'm alone in realizing that for now most robocalls auto-disconnect if they don't hear anything on the line for somewhere between 15 seconds to a minute depending on the software's patience I suppose. This has taught me to never answer the phone for an unknown number and immediately say something, just to put it on speakerphone and let it pick up ambient fan noise or whatever for a minute-ish. If it is a robocall and it auto-hangs up, I win.

If it is an actual person calling it is an awkward etiquette dance for a minute or so while people wait for that polite "Hello?" that the receiver is supposed to kick off the conversation with. I don't know if the etiquette needs to shift in a time of robo-callers or what. I appreciate that there's an increasing air of excuse now of "fiddling with my phone equipment because calls are so rare" that this article addresses (though the article believes this to be a bad thing).

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by larrik on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @02:04PM (#33440308)
You may be over-doing it. Most robo-calls wait for a second "hello?". So you can say it once, then wait a bit for a human to answer normally. Then if they don't, you just hang up, as the computer is waiting for that 2nd "hello?".
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by r00fus on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @02:57PM (#33441176)
I even just answer with a grunt or in a foreign language (e.g. "hola"). People know I may be juggling a mobile handset, automated systems hang up.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by WorldMaker on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @04:20PM (#33442396)
That is something I often rely on ambient noise to do. My work keyboard is quite loud. My home a/c makes a ton of white noise and the occasional thump when it clicks off. It also currently makes a lot of loud water sounds when it is off. I use throat clearing and coughs sometimes, too.

It's a silly game to play with these robocalls what they are/are not listening for and it seems to change from time to time (and obviously from bot to bot). "Dead silence" is sometimes easiest and the easiest way to describe it (though I believe I did mention I generally put things on speaker and rely on ambient noise), but yes, not "required" and it is a dumb space to explore sometimes.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by jasonlotito on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @02:15PM (#33440470)
> I have never had any of the issues described in this article and I've been using AirPods w/ an iPhone and a MacBook since AirPods came out.

I have had many of the issues described in this article and I've been using AirPods/AirPods Pro/AirPods Max w/ an iPhone, iPad, and a MacBook since AirPods came out.

I now use a Bose headset. It works. My AirPod devices do not.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by robomartin on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @02:17PM (#33440489)
> 1. Robocalls 2. Robocalls 3. Robocalls 4. Robocalls 5. Robocalls

I have always thought that a simple --and likely very effective-- way to combat robocalls is to charge a nominal fee for all calls not in your address book. That fee could be $1 or more. It really doesn't matter how much other than having to be enough to be costly for those making unwelcome calls.

The charge is levied both ways. If someone you don't know calls you, they pay $1. If you call them back, you pay them $1. The phone company handles this, of course. An alternative is that the charge is registered to their account and credited if you call them back. Being that billing is monthly, the net effect is that no money exchanges hands unless calls are not returned. If you did not respond, the next time the same number calls you the charge is increased by a nominal amount, say, 25%.

Oh, yes, of course, the money goes to you, minus a, say 30% fee to the phone company. This accounting happens at the end of the month, not call-by-call.

If someone wants to make a million unsolicited calls, it's going to cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars. Most of that money will go to the people they are spamming because they will not return the calls. Anyone in your address book is exempt from these transactions.

Without diving deeper, this seems like a simple, clean and perhaps even elegant way to deal with the issue. Let the free market do it. If spammers want to give you hundreds of dollars per month just to make your phone ring, so be it.

Yes, of course, there could be an incentive there for the phone company because, in the aggregate, that 30% might add-up to a nice pile of money. I'm sure there's a creative way to manage that. Perhaps something like a metric based on that income that penalizes them for not doing a better job of filtering the calls. This is where detailed analysis of the proposal is necessary.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by progman32 on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @02:32PM (#33440745)
I don't understand why a scammer wouldn't just add the number to their address book before calling.

Also as an individual this would be kinda scary. Not to mention the fact I have to share my private address book, but also if my friend forgets to add me I can randomly have to pay?

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by tristor on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @02:44PM (#33440936)
> Without diving deeper, this seems like a simple, clean and perhaps even elegant way to deal with the issue.

I like your idea in theory. In practice, many of the calls are originating from countries which would not comply with any regulatory framework requiring this, and are in many cases intentionally complicit in scamming. Additionally, it would require telcos to know every number in your address book, something I think is frankly none of their business.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by mtmail on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @04:07PM (#33442223)
The US situation is fascinating. I got 5 calls this years and 3 were my bank (callcenter, real human) I didn't want to talk to. No spam-block or similar software on my phone. I checked and I have 16 phone numbers blocked total on the phone, that must have been collected over 8-10 years. Germany.