Re:Lookup TV Signals by Address
by threemux on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @12:01PM
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IIRC, TVFool was not kept up to date with the FCC repack station moves. I wouldn't recommend using it as its predictions are likely to be inaccurate. This is a better tool that is continuously updated:
Re:Lookup TV Signals by Address
by naikrovek on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @12:56PM
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This reminds me of a problem that I have yet to figure out - does anyone know of any working GNURadio flowgraph which can decode and display ATSC 1.0 television in real time? I don't want to record now and watch later, for the purposes of this question.
Re:Lookup TV Signals by Address
by dylan604 on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @01:24PM
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How does that matter in digital transmissions? In analog, with low SNR results, you'd get fuzzy images and other similar issues. In digital broadcasts, you either receive the data stream or not. If you do, you get a signal. If not, you get nothing. I'm not an expert in TV broadcast engineering, but I'm not aware of TCP/IP "did you get that? no? here it is again" type of system as that doesn't work for realtime/live very well.
Re:Lookup TV Signals by Address
by naikrovek on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @03:08PM
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I think it has to do with the CPU usage of the error correction. You're right that it either works or it does not, but there is a small bit between working and not working where there is a "can be made to work if the errors can be corrected" region of the signal to noise ratio.
If there is enough CPU after decoding valid frames to error correct invalid frames, and the error correction data is intact enough, AND there is enough CPU to fix the error and decode the frame before the next frame comes in, I imagine that it would succeed. If any of those are not true, it will fail, and require more processing on the subsequent frames until a new I-frame is received.
This is half estimated guess; I don't know the nuts and bolts of how ATSC works, really.
Re:Lookup TV Signals by Address
by drmpeg on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @01:36PM
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Performance compared to a hardware demodulator in a television or set top box. A low SNR signal that the hardware demodulator can easily handle may not work at all with the GNU Radio software demodulator.
Re:Lookup TV Signals by Address
by bronco21016 on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @04:44PM
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I used TVFool in the past to setup my current antenna. This post and comment thread led me down the rabbit hole again though as one of my VHF stations has always been a bit flakey and when the wind blows UHF is an issue.
I learned about the difference between UHF and VHF and how vegetation is likely making my UHF channels bumpy when the wind howls. The VHF is likely just an aiming issue.
Anyway, one thing I’ve always looked for is a reliable way to see how changes in alignment affect the signal in real-time. I discovered Signal GH an app that will connect to your HDHomerun device and provide signal statistics.
Just thought this might be useful for anyone attempting to fine tune their setup.
Re:Lookup TV Signals by Address
by unfocused on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @10:20PM
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Never heard of Signal GH! Thanks! I have my antenna split to my TV, and look at signal strength there, and I run TVHeadend, with HDhomerun as my source, on my Synology NAS (used to run it on my Raspberry Pi), and it provides stats and signal strength details, but all of this is on a per channel basis.
I also have Kodi on my FireTV, and it can also display stats if you use the TVHeadend plugin, and press 'o' to show live stats. Again, one channel at a time.
Edit: Just bought it. Much easier to read all the stats and far easier than lugging around a laptop when fiddling with an antenna! Thanks again.
Re:Lookup TV Signals by Address
by aidenn0 on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @03:05PM
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Many of these sites are laughably wrong about the high-VHF signals. I lived on a hilltop with direct line of sight to a station on another hilltop 5 miles away. An omnidirectional antenna was worthless at pulling it in; I bought a Yagi specifically for high-VHF, aligned it to the station and that mostly worked.
Re:Lookup TV Signals by Address
by thakoppno on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @04:27PM
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Any startups working in the OTA tv space?
I can’t think of any free signal that is easily consumable as OTA HDTV.
It seems to me like one could leverage the data available nationally to discern developing trends regionally or perhaps determine metro regions that are experiencing growth or stagnation by mining the local news broadcasts or other data.
https://www.rabbitears.info/searchmap.php
However, it requires quite a bit of cpu and it's performance is terrible unless you're close to the transmitter(s) and have high SNR signals.
If there is enough CPU after decoding valid frames to error correct invalid frames, and the error correction data is intact enough, AND there is enough CPU to fix the error and decode the frame before the next frame comes in, I imagine that it would succeed. If any of those are not true, it will fail, and require more processing on the subsequent frames until a new I-frame is received.
This is half estimated guess; I don't know the nuts and bolts of how ATSC works, really.
I learned about the difference between UHF and VHF and how vegetation is likely making my UHF channels bumpy when the wind howls. The VHF is likely just an aiming issue.
Anyway, one thing I’ve always looked for is a reliable way to see how changes in alignment affect the signal in real-time. I discovered Signal GH an app that will connect to your HDHomerun device and provide signal statistics.
Just thought this might be useful for anyone attempting to fine tune their setup.
I also have Kodi on my FireTV, and it can also display stats if you use the TVHeadend plugin, and press 'o' to show live stats. Again, one channel at a time.
Edit: Just bought it. Much easier to read all the stats and far easier than lugging around a laptop when fiddling with an antenna! Thanks again.
I can’t think of any free signal that is easily consumable as OTA HDTV.
It seems to me like one could leverage the data available nationally to discern developing trends regionally or perhaps determine metro regions that are experiencing growth or stagnation by mining the local news broadcasts or other data.