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Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by bertil on Monday June 20, 2022 @12:48PM (#31812545)
I’m impressed at how many people coalesce to the same suggestions to save space: simple clothes, layers, etc.

However, I’m surprised at how casually he mentionned how much he has travelled, by flight almost exclusively. I’m assuming from the lack of other plug than Type A, he stayed in America where trains are not a great option — but still. I’d expect that to come with some comment about carbon footprint.

Am I out of sync with the times?

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by kemayo on Monday June 20, 2022 @12:58PM (#31812643)
Vitalik's one of the founders of Ethereum, so I'd guess that "minimizing carbon footprint" isn't one of his primary goals.

(Yes, yes, proof-of-stake, claimed to finally be launching later this year. That's been "coming soon" for so many years that I'll believe it when it actually happens.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitalik_Buterin

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by paulpauper on Monday June 20, 2022 @03:54PM (#31814954)
"coming soon" for the past 4 years
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by kemayo on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:27PM (#31815442)
More like 7, I think? They were laying groundwork in 2015, at least. https://ethereum.org/en/history/#frontier-thawing-summary
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by yownie on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @06:16AM (#31822259)
I was actually pleasantly suprised to discover this post was written by him afterwards.

He's brilliant and still manages to be very approachable and down to earth. rare combo nowadays, especially in crypto.

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by corrral on Monday June 20, 2022 @01:00PM (#31812667)
Minimalism as expressed on the web is mostly a well-off consumerist thing, oddly enough. It's largely about selling nice (or at least "premium-mediocre") stuff to people with money. Natural that it's tied up with expensive travel, too—that's the aspiration hook that gets people who really don't need the stuff to bust out the ol' credit card.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by dubswithus on Monday June 20, 2022 @01:03PM (#31812707)
The products he seems to recommend look like knockoffs and incredibly cheap. But often if something breaks while you are abroad you pay 2-3x the price to replace it. And even then the replacement might be of horrible quality too but you're desperate and suck it up.

Except his Anker brick. I love Anker.

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by mc32 on Monday June 20, 2022 @01:17PM (#31812900)
This reminds me of: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4755470 which has quite on-point comments roasting D Curtis.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by bowsamic on Monday June 20, 2022 @02:59PM (#31814209)
Vitalik's post seems to be a counterexample against what you claim here
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by dannymi on Monday June 20, 2022 @12:56PM (#31812619)
I don't know about the US, but in the EU, aviation only contributes 3% (that is not a typo. Three percent) of the total greenhouse gas emissions (measured just before corona--so there was a shitload of aviation going on). The major greenhouse gas emitters are electricity production (30% - mostly gas generators!), road transport (20%), industry (20%). Source: European Environment Agency

So I wouldn't worry much about the climate impact of flying.

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by Aunche on Monday June 20, 2022 @03:51PM (#31814903)
Aviation contributes to 3% of EU emissions because most Europeans don't take 360 flights in 9 years, whereas they do use electricity, cars/busses, and products of industry.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by eyko on Monday June 20, 2022 @10:32PM (#31819114)
Most americans also don't take 40 flights per year on average.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by morsch on Monday June 20, 2022 @01:56PM (#31813371)
It's a lot more of your personal CO2 budget if you're one of the persons doing the flying. Probably the majority if you're doing intercontinental flights every year.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by whimsicalism on Monday June 20, 2022 @01:02PM (#31812697)
HN, where marginal thinking comes to die.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by smallpipe on Monday June 20, 2022 @02:48PM (#31814065)
Or even thinking in his case...
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by b3morales on Monday June 20, 2022 @01:09PM (#31812780)
Still, if that's an easier segment than the others to reduce in absolute terms (and without the expenditure just hopping to another column) it shouldn't be off the table.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by cma on Monday June 20, 2022 @01:06PM (#31812752)
Take the relevant population class of people that can afford to fly frequently, and it is a much larger % of emissions.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by tlamponi on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @02:54AM (#31820847)
If one is somewhat flexible then flying really isn't expensive in Europe too. Just checked Google Flights, and starting from Vienna it would cost 29€ to either Rome or London, 50€ to Malta and ~60€ to some Greek places, return flight inclusive.

Safe 20€ a month, which is possible for a huge chunk of the population (easily > 80%), and you can do four to eight of those flights a year and that's just the lower end of the estimation, most still just don't flight that much here, and it's IMO really not an income question.

It's more like an ecological footprint and also time question as flying adds an ineligible overhead one can often outrun by using the good train networks, well maybe apart from Germany where privatization really killed a lot of networks and quality during the last decades, plus I can get to a nice nature area within an hour easily, so why bother travelling as long to the airport to only then endure their security theater.

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by nicbou on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @03:39AM (#31821304)
I can confirm. Flying is dirt cheap in Europe. It makes travelling by train far less appealing, since it's slower and more expensive.

I hate flying, but trains are rarely a convincing option. They ought to be.

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by KptMarchewa on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @09:27AM (#31823682)
Yet average person in the EU flies something just under once per year.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by samatman on Monday June 20, 2022 @01:41PM (#31813198)
The climate doesn't care who benefits from emissions, only how much is emitted.

Air travel is much harder to do without fossil fuels than ground transport or electrical generation, and is essential to civilization on the basis of cargo alone. It's simply not an efficient target for change right now.

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by morsch on Monday June 20, 2022 @02:11PM (#31813599)
Some air travel may be essential to civilization, most of it isn't. We don't really have a way to determine which is which on a societal level. The best we can do is price in the externalities (and deal with income disparity, but that's an orthogonal issue).
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by samatman on Monday June 20, 2022 @03:59PM (#31815029)
Air travel itself is essential, it's one of the defining abilities of the modern world and can't just be shut off. It would be corrosive to try and separate the essential from the frivolous, I agree with that.

I favor carbon taxes that dig an industries grave for it: such as taxing coal to build nuclear, wind, solar. That's not feasible with air travel yet, which leaves a consumption tax, those are regressive.

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by morsch on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:36PM (#31815592)
You can tax air travel to encourage travel by other means where applicable, or alternatives for work trips, or local tourism, or slow tourism, all kinds of things. Air travel itself may be defining and I don't envision getting rid of it; but the weekend trip to Vegas or Mallorca or Delhi is a defining feature of the present that is not sustainable in the future.

Taxing dirty electricity generation is regressive taxation, too; like I said, it's an original issue. A first step would be to pay out all the generated carbon taxes on a per capita basis.

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by toma_caliente on Monday June 20, 2022 @06:29PM (#31817011)
> You can tax air travel to encourage travel by other means where applicable.

This would never happen in America because it would require Americans addressing their views on transit and addressing their pitiful consumer rail or even consumer bus industries.

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by uoaei on Monday June 20, 2022 @06:53PM (#31817264)
Inflation and corporate profiteering re: oil prices are having much the same effect anyway.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by toma_caliente on Monday June 20, 2022 @06:57PM (#31817313)
Is it? I see one side blaming Biden and the other side blaming corporations but neither side is saying we need better public transit.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by b3morales on Monday June 20, 2022 @02:31PM (#31813842)
How much cargo actually goes by air? Last I knew boats (ships) were the vast, vast majority of cargo transport, followed by trains, then trucks, with planes coming a distant last.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by samatman on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:01PM (#31815056)
This says nothing about the importance of the cargo which is transported by plane. Given the much higher expense, we would expect this cargo to be more important, not less.

An extreme example would be organs.

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by b3morales on Monday June 20, 2022 @06:21PM (#31816913)
Sure, but I can't agree that our civilization would collapse, or even be at serious risk, if tomorrow airfoils suddenly no longer functioned.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by uoaei on Monday June 20, 2022 @06:51PM (#31817251)
As a singular factor, cutting down on carbon emissions that are caused via flying is a better leverage point than many other interventions to slowing climate change precisely because the consumption is so high per user. For road transport, industry, and electricity production, those provide benefit for orders of magnitude more people, and individual actors' choices have less impact.

It is probably wiser to judge based on emissions per user.

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by KptMarchewa on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @09:28AM (#31823690)
Because average person in EU flies just under once per year, while traveling by car maybe few times a week. That flight (well, cargo too) generates that 3% of emissions.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by Bad_CRC on Monday June 20, 2022 @01:00PM (#31812661)
so that 3% of aviation is part of the 20% of transport or that transport is for cars?
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by dannymi on Monday June 20, 2022 @01:01PM (#31812676)
"Transport" is for road transport. Sorry. I edited it now to make it more clear.

https://www.easa.europa.eu/eaer/system/files/usr_uploaded/21... section 7.3 for the citation on aviation (gah, is the europa.eu website slow).

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by kspacewalk2 on Monday June 20, 2022 @01:02PM (#31812700)
Maybe I need to get myself a more progressive social circle, but the number of people around me who non-performatively care about their carbon footprint when travelling (and back the concern with actions, not words) is very very low.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by hombre_fatal on Monday June 20, 2022 @03:25PM (#31814566)
I don't think I've ever heard someone mention their carbon footprint ever in real life. Only on an internet message board would someone be surprised that a blog post didn't mention it.

Quite a bubble. But I also think it's very performative which is why it doesn't show up in day to day convo. For example, even the HNer wanted to see a feel-good aside about saving the environment or at least some sort of atonement for their sins.

It's one of those things where we don't have any central entity to blame, so we look for small payoffs by holding random individuals to the flame.

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by nicbou on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @04:10AM (#31821512)
I'd be one of those people, I guess. I silently make my own life difficult to reduce my carbon footprint. Less meat, less flying, less plastic.

Many people in my social circle do the same. The environment became part of their decision-making process.

In practice, it's a bit like dieting or budgeting: we cheat. We have lives to live. We care about the environment, but not enough to become ascetics.

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by igor47 on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @02:34AM (#31832695)
It's not cheating, it's minimizing harm.

In fact, becoming an ascetic would probably be counter-productive. I think a large benefit of publicly caring about the environment is the signaling. You show that (a) it matters (b) it's doable (c) it doesn't ruin your life. Then other people start to believe they can also do it. If you do let it ruin your life, that will serve to dissuade rather than persuade.

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by nicbou on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @04:48AM (#31833477)
That's a good point.

I don't feel bad about cheating. I was always aiming for a reduction. If we all managed a 20-30% reduction, it would help.

It would also become a lot easier as businesses would have to cater to these concerns. This is how Germany got so vegetarian-friendly.

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by reidjs on Monday June 20, 2022 @12:53PM (#31812601)
If this is the Vitalik I am assuming he is, he is a bit of a celebrity, so he probably has to fly to conferences, talks, etc often.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by cgeier on Monday June 20, 2022 @02:35PM (#31813875)
"has" in "chooses to"?
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by salicideblock on Monday June 20, 2022 @03:56PM (#31814975)
I had the exact same immediate reaction. If you're out of sync with the times, that makes two of us...
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by dubswithus on Monday June 20, 2022 @01:12PM (#31812828)
> I’m impressed at how many people coalesce to the same suggestions to save space: simple clothes, layers, etc.

Buying toiletries locally can mean paying 2-3x the price in your home country. You actually save money by bringing more. For example, in the US the last time I checked I could buy a pack of floss for $0.99. In LATAM it's at least $3. The solution is to bring ~20 packs of floss.

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by ghaff on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:03PM (#31815084)
It's also one more thing to do. If you can trivially bring things with you, you've managed to avoid finding the appropriate store, finding what you're looking for among possibly unfamiliar brands, and potentially very different languages.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by Rebelgecko on Monday June 20, 2022 @05:36PM (#31816340)
At least for me, walking into a grocery store that feels totally alien is part of the fun of traveling. It's a neat way to see some of the more blatant cultural differences, while also accomplishing a task.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by ghaff on Monday June 20, 2022 @05:45PM (#31816460)
Yes, but in general I prefer I don't have errands I need to run. Other than picking up wine or whatever :-) I'm certainly fine with going into stores but I prefer to start out with some base-level stuff even if it adds a few pounds.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by dj_mc_merlin on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:36PM (#31815589)
The author mentions traveling to multiple continents in his post. Do you expect him to use a train/ferry everywhere? That would be incredibly slow and unfeasible in some situations. OTOH, you can fly everywhere. Not everyone deeply cares about their carbon footprint when by far the largest amount of CO2 generated is industrial.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by cranekam on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:52PM (#31815797)
> Not everyone deeply cares about their carbon footprint when by far the largest amount of CO2 generated is industrial.

Industry makes stuff that consumers demand, either directly or indirectly. It’s a bit of a meme to suggest that global warming is all down to companies emitting co2 just for lols. Of course, industry is sometime dirty because it’s cheaper, but it’s putting one’s head in the sand to pretend that consumers have no bearing on what companies do.

This is not to say that the blame lays solely with consumers. People are acting rationally — they want to go on holiday and can afford it; what’s stopping them? The issue is one of regulation. If emitting actually had a cost (well, a cost now, to the emitter, rather than to the whole planet at some later date) people would make better decisions.

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by dj_mc_merlin on Monday June 20, 2022 @05:29PM (#31816247)
I did not suggest companies emit CO2 for lols -- it is quite obvious they are responding in an optimized way (for them) to consumer demands, since that is what a company is.

But the onus to change is on the companies, and since they won't change themselves, it falls on the government. However, taxing the emitter will lead to companies passing on the cost to the consumer, which, while lowering the emissions, would end up locking away a large number of luxuries (air travel, different kinds of food like meat, etc.) from lower-middle class people. It is very easy to say "increase taxes!" when you have enough disposable income to be able to afford these luxuries anyway. I personally do not want to go back a hundred years where meat is rare luxury and the farthest one travels is to the nearest country, once a decade.

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by topranks on Monday June 20, 2022 @03:10PM (#31814351)
This guy is responsible for a relatively significant proportion of the entire planets carbon footprint!

His air travel is the least of our worries.

https://digiconomist.net/ethereum-energy-consumption

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by anony23 on Monday June 20, 2022 @03:50PM (#31814879)
Relatively significant as in a fraction of a percent?
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by nonameiguess on Monday June 20, 2022 @01:14PM (#31812859)
Given the stuff he's collected, he appears to be traveling all over the world. You can't take a train across oceans. I don't know why Europeans seem to want to derail every discussion of anything into "why can't the world be more like Europe," but have you looked at an equal area map of the whole globe lately? (https://www.esri.com/about/newsroom/wp-content/uploads/2019/...). The overwhelming majority of the world is not Europe. Vitalik is Canadian. All of continental Europe seems to fit roughly east of the Hudson Bay when shoved into Canada. Some other person in this comment string is talking about how easy it is to get around all the major cities in Spain by train. That's great. Spain is 2/3 the size of Texas. Getting around North America isn't nearly the same. Presumably, Vitalik flies more than he uses trains because he has a finite lifespan and wants to devote more of his time living as a nomad to being where he is going rather than in the act of getting there.

As for carbon footprint, I'm not going to comment on the moral quality of his choices, but the dude founded a cryptocurrency. Once you've done that, I don't think much else you can do short of also founding an oil company is going to make your carbon footprint worse than it already is.

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by rhn_mk1 on Monday June 20, 2022 @01:45PM (#31813239)
> All of continental Europe seems to fit roughly east of the Hudson Bay when shoved into Canada

Your math does not quite check out.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe

> Area 10,180,000 km2

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada

> Total land area 9,093,507 km2

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by cgh on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @12:15AM (#31819791)
So roughly the same size but Canada's entire population is just over half of the UK's. Europe's train system works because of how crowded it is.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by moistly on Monday June 20, 2022 @10:48PM (#31819257)
Amtrak appears to have excellent destination service, and they offer full-service circle tours, too, taking you to some of the most amazing sights in America.

https://www.amtrakvacations.com/trips

I’d love to hear from someone who’s tried an Amtrak tour. I’d love to see the National Parks.

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by dtagames on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @04:33PM (#31828791)
I haven't ridden Amtrak in years but folks I've talked to who have hated it. Trains here aren't at all comparable to the service that's available in Europe. Stations aren't conveniently located and schedules are spotty and make weird stops.

Amtrak is a federal monopoly, created to take the failing passenger railroads off the hands of the freight carriers. It has succeeded in doing little more than that.

I say this as a person who loves trains, especially French ones. But, as a pragmatist, I admit that our interstate road system and omnipresent airlines (crossing states which are themselves larger than European countries) make a lot of train travel less desirable in America than it is overseas.

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by cavisne on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @12:19AM (#31819826)
To be fair if it was anyone else in his position they would probably be flying private.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by the_third_wave on Monday June 20, 2022 @01:01PM (#31812683)
> I’d expect that to come with some comment about carbon footprint.

What would you expect him to say? Apologise in some way? Spin a tale of "carbon compensation", the indulgence [1] of this non-theistic religion?

I find it refreshing to hear people speak without constantly genuflecting towards The Current Issue. That does not mean I always (or even usually) agree but I prefer for people to be honest instead of hypocrites when it comes to their 'sins'.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indulgence

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by whimsicalism on Monday June 20, 2022 @01:06PM (#31812749)
Is it just me or has the disdain/venom in how people discuss the notion that they have moral responsibility to anyone other than themselves increased in recent years?
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by the_third_wave on Monday June 20, 2022 @01:31PM (#31813065)
Where is the venom? As to disdain there is a core of truth which is easily explained by the large number of people who - though social media or otherwise - portray their affluent jet-setting life styles with a little bit of green-wash that just does not fit well with the current discourse which centres around the reduction of consumption and energy use. If you choose to fly around the world while simultaneously trying to convey your dedication to the "climate cause" you should expect to be chastised for it. If you just fly around the world without adding indulgences you will still be chastised but at least you're more honest about the fact that you simply care more about your own convenience.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by jabl on Monday June 20, 2022 @01:48PM (#31813286)
Not just you. Selfish ME ME ME is the current zeitgeist. Heavily sponsored by today's robber barons who are taking the obvious action to deflect attention from their corporate empires towards identity politics.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by franciscop on Monday June 20, 2022 @09:29PM (#31818663)
In Japan they use plug Type A, and most of SEAsia they have these plugs where you can put either type A, C or F in. Type A to Type C/F is a tiny piece not worth mentioning anyway.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by 1270018080 on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @12:10AM (#31819760)
He said one of his interests was "blockchains" so he probably doesn't care, at all.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by bergenty on Monday June 20, 2022 @12:53PM (#31812592)
I only take long distance trains for fun. Flying is way more convenient at all other times. Show up 45 minutes before the domestic flight and get there at least 5 times faster.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by alejoar on Monday June 20, 2022 @12:56PM (#31812622)
Maybe in the US. In Europe high speed train tends to be more convenient.

I live in Madrid and I can travel to any major city in the country by train in less than 3 hours. I don't have to show up early. I depart from the city centre. I arrive at the city centre. 500% more convenient and (mostly) cheaper.

Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by bergenty on Monday June 20, 2022 @07:50PM (#31817825)
Yeah Europe is a small place compared to the US.
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by genera1 on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @06:28AM (#31822315)
Europe has more both land area and population than the US, in what way is it "a small place compared to the US"?
Re:My 40-liter backpack travel guide by unixhero on Monday June 20, 2022 @01:16PM (#31812879)
Nobody cares about carbon footprint bro