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Re:Cool desktops don’t change by AceJohnny2 on Thursday June 16, 2022 @05:19PM (#31771109)
I am reminded of a study where the hue of lights in a factory was changed, and the workers were reported happier and more productive. Then they changed it again (actually, to the original hue), and the workers reported being happier still and more productive!

So what lighting hue was best? Irrelevant, the important thing was that workers perceived that management was paying attention to their wellbeing.

I think something similar is happening in Windows (and Mac!) desktops, where they change small things "for productivity", and the majority of people will think it's an improvement, just because it's different.

Bt a small subset of us opinionated people will be upset that our carefully tuned habits are disrupted.

Re:Cool desktops don’t change by hbn on Thursday June 16, 2022 @05:38PM (#31771308)
> they change small things "for productivity", and the majority of people will think it's an improvement

I feel like I've never talked to a person, techie or not, who didn't agree it was incredibly annoying to have UIs that they're used to change out under their feet.

Re:Cool desktops don’t change by makeitdouble on Thursday June 16, 2022 @08:49PM (#31772806)
I think it's why in the anecdote they change lighting hues, and not for instance swap the machines, or move around the work areas for no reasons.

In IT parlance, I guess lighting hues would be equivalent to the changing the window manager theme for a lighter/darker one ?

Re:Cool desktops don’t change by iLoveOncall on Thursday June 16, 2022 @05:49PM (#31771413)
I usually don't mind at all, it's a non-issue. Losing features suck, but a new UI, especially for tools that were legitimately dated, is something I like.
Re:Cool desktops don’t change by BLKNSLVR on Thursday June 16, 2022 @06:18PM (#31771713)
How would you define "legitimately dated"?

I'd say something like the "ribbon toolbar" upgrade of MS Office, which I think improved accessibility of functions, is one of the only examples I can think of. But then I'm not sure if that was just a case of getting used to the new layout.

Windows "Settings" versus the Control Panel is a counter example. It was a downgrade, it still sucks now, years later, but the Control Panel could be argued as 'dated' by some definitions.

Re:Cool desktops don’t change by HKH2 on Thursday June 16, 2022 @08:52PM (#31772834)
> I'd say something like the "ribbon toolbar" upgrade of MS Office, which I think improved accessibility of functions, is one of the only examples I can think of.

I don't think it improves accessibility when I keep having to go hunting in different sections for the right button. (The ribbon in the Recycle Bin makes no sense to me either.)

I'll admit it can be daunting for a new user to see a lot of buttons, but if there is a tooltip or even a tutorial for each button showing where it can be useful, that shouldn't be much of a problem.

Re:Cool desktops don’t change by lproven on Friday June 17, 2022 @06:38AM (#31776302)
Genuinely astonished

For me, the Ribbon is what made Office unusable. I've used MS apps since the MS-DOS and Xenix days. I remember the old MS menus (2 lines, bottom of screen, summoned with Esc) to CUA transition, then the horror of WinWord 1, then the passable WinWord 2, then the actually quite nice WinWord 6.

I still run Word 97 on Ubuntu under WINE. Works perfectly.

But after Office 2007, it is totally unusable for me.

Re:Cool desktops don’t change by BLKNSLVR on Sunday June 19, 2022 @11:22PM (#31805968)
Hehe, It did take a long time to get used to it, by necessity of "where I work upgraded, so no choice but to work with it". So, now it's second nature, and in my brief interludes with LibreOffice I struggle with the layout style and finding where things are.

I did say "But then I'm not sure if that was just a case of getting used to the new layout" - still open to that being the case.

Maybe it's like 12th edition text books, change for the sake of change. In the case of Office software, we need people to keep needing the 'basic' and 'intermediate' training sessions; we need credentials to justifiably decay with time?

Re:Cool desktops don’t change by bombcar on Thursday June 16, 2022 @08:02PM (#31772475)
The ribbon can be nice but I love that on macOS we still get the menu items. So much easier to find things.
Re:Cool desktops don’t change by iLoveOncall on Thursday June 16, 2022 @06:58PM (#31772052)
I'm not saying every UI update will be good, just that in a huge amount of cases, updates that actually do improve the UI will be placed in the same bucket as bad updates, just because "muh me no like change".
Re:Cool desktops don’t change by mixmastamyk on Thursday June 16, 2022 @06:19PM (#31771721)
“dated” is not the issue, rather does it continue to be fit for purpose?
Re:Cool desktops don’t change by Zababa on Thursday June 16, 2022 @05:45PM (#31771374)
> I am reminded of a study where the hue of lights in a factory was changed, and the workers were reported happier and more productive. Then they changed it again (actually, to the original hue), and the workers reported being happier still and more productive!

> So what lighting hue was best? Irrelevant, the important thing was that workers perceived that management was paying attention to their wellbeing.

I doubt it would work if they changed the place of tools, the layout of the factory, stuff like that.

Re:Cool desktops don’t change by bombcar on Thursday June 16, 2022 @08:03PM (#31772482)
Or the workers know to mark “yes I am happier” on the surveys lest they get remaindered out.
Re:Cool desktops don’t change by weikju on Thursday June 16, 2022 @07:44PM (#31772349)
Related, you just have to spend some time on various tech sites/forums to see that people will complain when something changes in an OS release, but even more so people will complain when the UI does NOT change "there's nothing new, boring" to paraphrase that whole second category... Not the same exact individuals of course, but there are loud voices clamoring for changes for change's sake (even if they don't know they are doing that).
Re:Cool desktops don’t change by IfOnlyYouKnew on Thursday June 16, 2022 @05:34PM (#31771260)
It's possible to recognize that mechanism and not mind being affected by it. There is nothing wrong with experiencing joy based on 'just' cosmetic changes. Indeed it's a direct effect of what's called 'novelty-seeking' behavior, a character trait associated with lots of positive things for the person and society, and only a few drug habits and untimely deaths in non-FAA-approved aircraft.

Many of the possibly meaningless desktop changes are also meaningless in the sense that they won't affect any workflow, and are therefore benign.