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Re:Pesticide residues could negate the health benefits of fr... by kaylz on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:25PM (#31494135)
This is part of the reason I really want to move out of the U.S. Other countries are much more strict with what they allow in their food. I understand that I can pay more for organic produce and meat, but for a supposedly first-world country, you'd think decent produce would be a given.
Re:Pesticide residues could negate the health benefits of fr... by riffraff on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:42PM (#31494385)
> organic produce and meat

be careful: organic may still allow a ton of things that are bad for you, such as copper sulfate in the EU.

While the idea of organic produce is great, the implementation is deeply misleading: tell people petrol derivatives are legit in "bio" fruit and enjoy their confusion :)

Re:Pesticide residues could negate the health benefits of fr... by maerF0x0 on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:34PM (#31494264)
and buying organic doesn't stop airborne, water borne, in your meats (the animals might ingest it) . Etc.
Re:Pesticide residues could negate the health benefits of fr... by lkxijlewlf on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:52PM (#31494520)
Stay. Vote and help change the system.
Re:Pesticide residues could negate the health benefits of fr... by MrYellowP on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:57PM (#31494604)
Do you have any evidence that this actually works?

The world does not look like it does.

Are you sure you're not just fooling yourself,

considering that you're still voting for people who all belong to the same social circles?

Re:Pesticide residues could negate the health benefits of fr... by im_down_w_otp on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @01:03PM (#31494699)
If you remain a US citizen while living outside the US, you can still vote in US elections.

That way you can vote with your feet and your ballot.

Re:Pesticide residues could negate the health benefits of fr... by jcranberry on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:53PM (#31494545)
I was under the impression organic farms just use organic pesticides.
Re:Pesticide residues could negate the health benefits of fr... by spaetzleesser on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:59PM (#31494621)
From what I have read organic farming regulation allows plenty of bad stuff to be used.
Re:Pesticide residues could negate the health benefits of fr... by codeflow2202 on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @03:32PM (#31496556)
We have our problems in Europe too. Our food is getting more and more contaminated. https://www.pan-europe.info/sites/pan-europe.info/files/publ...
Re:Pesticide residues could negate the health benefits of fr... by jjtheblunt on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @03:33PM (#31496567)
why not shop at produce-prioritizing grocers like Sprouts (if it's available where you are)? they are VERY much aligned with your priorities, and, in their focus, are cost efficient.
Re:Pesticide residues could negate the health benefits of fr... by nostromo on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:35PM (#31494269)
So you'd rather everyone pay more for food based on your personal preferences? Even though there's a lot of evidence that these foods are entirely safe...
Re:Pesticide residues could negate the health benefits of fr... by ceejayoz on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:42PM (#31494395)
> So you'd rather everyone pay more for food based on your personal preferences?

The counterpoint here is "so you'd rather everyone pay more for health care decades from now to save a few bucks on groceries now?"

> Even though there's a lot of evidence that these foods are entirely safe...

The US requirement for a lot of chemicals is "generally recognized as safe", which, in practice, means "we don't know that it's not safe yet". When we find something's unsafe, industry frequently switches to something similar that's still GRAS (because no one's been using it) but likely has the same issues. Europe takes a stricter approach.

Example: BPA in plastics, which has now been replaced with BPS and BPF.

Re:Pesticide residues could negate the health benefits of fr... by toshk on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:46PM (#31494444)
Except it isn't. Already lots of diseases linked to pesticides. Will only be more in the years to come.

It's clear that at least farmers and also people living in pesticides ridden areas suffer many diseases, for instance Parkinson: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6176703/#:~:tex....

The only assumption is is that in low doses pesticides are not harmful, but there is no deep knowledge of years and years of low dose pesticide exposure. And those limits might differ based upon weight, gender, age, genetics and luck.

But there are also other risks. For instance with Strawberries they might have limits of one pesticide, but they max out different ones, so you get a cocktail of chemicals that used together exceeds the allowed limits of one.

Re:Pesticide residues could negate the health benefits of fr... by MrYellowP on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @01:10PM (#31494802)
> The only assumption is is that in low doses pesticides are not harmful

In case you haven't noticed yet, the world mostly runs on assumptions people pretend/parrot as facts and even defend their assumptions as if they actually were facts.

Common sense dictates that less harmful dosages are still harmfull, but less so. Your body repairs the damage quicker than it can spread, which works fine until the internal repair rate starts slowing down and that's not even considering any potential long term side effects.

I find it very scary that this study even exists. This is just common sense in Austria. Pesticides are bad, period.

Re:Pesticide residues could negate the health benefits of fr... by switchbak on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:38PM (#31494333)
He said he wanted to move somewhere else, I don't see where he's trying to force his preferences on others.
Re:Pesticide residues could negate the health benefits of fr... by Etheryte on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:42PM (#31494393)
This is a pure strawman argument, the parent comment said none of those things. Regarding entirely safe, this is a comment thread on a study that says they're not entirely safe.
Re:Pesticide residues could negate the health benefits of fr... by MrYellowP on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @01:03PM (#31494700)
Yes, it's perfectly safe to spray poison, which is meant to kill living beings, onto food. Absolutely. Common sense is wrong, of course. Poison is safe. Any evidence suggesting otherwise is obviously just fabricated.

Gasmasks, used when applying insecticides manually, are just for show. Laws outside of the US, which prohibit certain use of chemicals, are just random.

Common sense prevails yet again.

Re:Pesticide residues could negate the health benefits of fr... by notriddle on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @03:02PM (#31496187)
This is a strawman. Nobody wants to eat pesticides.

"Common sense" was that you don't eat the poison. You remove it from the food first. You also remove any soil on the food, and if the food is sold in a box or can, you don't eat that, either.

The thing I want to learn, because I'm more interested in learning than I am in reveling in how right I am, is whether common agricultural poisons can be rinsed off with a bit of tap water, or if they're too sticky or too easily absorbed for that to be sufficient. Apparently they can't be washed off this easily, which is annoying, because I rather like buying my apples without worms in them.

Re:Pesticide residues could negate the health benefits of fr... by outworlder on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @03:14PM (#31496345)
> Yes, it's perfectly safe to spray poison, which is meant to kill living beings, onto food.

Counterpoint: we routinely ingest poison intended to kill living beings. Sometimes we even have said poison injected in our bodies.

Those poisons are also commonly known as antibiotics (anti: against, bio: life), antifungals, antihelminthics, etc

Not everything that harms pests necessarily harms human beings.

Re:Pesticide residues could negate the health benefits of fr... by daniel-cussen on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:49PM (#31494489)
Oh yeah. Well in Europe one reason the food tastes so good is there's running water there. In USA you only get brine unless you're on a farm, or collecting rainwater.
Re:Pesticide residues could negate the health benefits of fr... by malfist on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:59PM (#31494622)
What are you talking about? There's plenty of rivers in the US.
Re:Pesticide residues could negate the health benefits of fr... by daniel-cussen on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @12:07PM (#31506522)
Yeah but in the city they get fluoridated first, ie turned into brine.