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Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by ChuckNorris89 on Saturday May 07, 2022 @03:09PM (#31297561)
Yeah, I also doubt their claims. Spreading seeds from the air you're basically spreading bird food.

Successful trees need the seeds to be planted under the earth.

Lockheed Martin had a plan to make baby tree missiles to be dropped from the sky [1] and they'll embed themselves nicely into the earth thanks to the terminal velocity energy.

Trouble is, they'll also probably kill all animals in the forest they happen to impale on their way down.

[1] https://www.sunnyskyz.com/blog/1467/Planes-Can-Plant-1-Billi...

Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by Nextgrid on Saturday May 07, 2022 @03:13PM (#31297590)
> Trouble is they'll also probably kill all animals in the forest they happen to impale on their way down.

Is this actually that big of a deal? Unless they're literally carpet-bombing the place I'd expect the collateral damage to be minimal.

I guess you can also adjust the schedule of the operation at times where the most common animals in the target area aren't active and are unlikely to be out in the line of fire.

Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by m00dy on Saturday May 07, 2022 @03:23PM (#31297684)
First you need to send a sound-wave bomb to scare the animals on the ground, and then you know what's going to happen.
Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by ISL on Saturday May 07, 2022 @03:28PM (#31297736)
It's dropping dirt-bullets out of the sky with enough momentum to penetrate dirt -- probably enough to penetrate most flesh.

Air-dropping pinecones and seeds, however, might be sufficient (and very fast). Cones and seeds are already designed to fall at/near terminal velocity and later on yield a tree.

It'd definitely make me smile to see a Hercules flying across recently-logged terrain or historically-deforested offloading tons of seeds that drift to the ground to start a new life.

Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by Nextgrid on Saturday May 07, 2022 @07:02PM (#31299454)
True - my point wasn’t to imply that you’ll have no animal casualties at all, but that unless you’re literally dropping one shell per square meter, the casualty rate would be acceptable.
Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by ChuckNorris89 on Saturday May 07, 2022 @03:14PM (#31297605)
What if people happen to be wondering there during the tree bombing campaign?

I doubt human casualties or even injuries are acceptable.

Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by xyzzyz on Saturday May 07, 2022 @04:41PM (#31298381)
Why would you some crazy aerial methods in locations where humans can casually stroll? The entire point here is to do it in unreachable places.
Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by Nextgrid on Saturday May 07, 2022 @07:04PM (#31299472)
When it comes to human casualties, “unreachable places” probably won’t cut it. You’ll need to be 100% sure there are no humans in there at all, short of maybe uncontacted/unknown hominid species.

A potential solution would be to announce the operation months/years in advance and actively prohibit access to the areas during that time.

Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by krisoft on Saturday May 07, 2022 @03:55PM (#31297975)
> Spreading seeds from the air you're basically spreading bird food.

Aerial seeding is an established practice with quite a history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_seeding

https://www.deseret.com/2000/10/28/19536330/forest-service-i...

To quote: "Using a helicopter to broadcast native plant seeds, conservation officials of Wasatch-Cache National Forest have begun to rehabilitate parts of the Stansbury Mountains burned in last summer's wildfires."

This is an article from 2000.

It is very widely used to re-seed remote locations which would be hard or hazardous to approach on foot.

Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by dymk on Saturday May 07, 2022 @04:27PM (#31298248)
It doesn’t work for trees. Grasses, yes.
Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by arcticfox on Saturday May 07, 2022 @08:37PM (#31300134)
Why doesn't it work for trees? I can't stop trees from growing in my yard from seeds blowing in, I genuinely don't understand why just spreading seeds aerially isn't effective
Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by dymk on Saturday May 07, 2022 @08:57PM (#31300244)
Partly, it's a matter of volume. You're getting more wayward seeds spread on your lawn by a couple orders of magnitude, than what a drones will be sprinkling in coconut coir pucks or compacted dirt balls.
Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by michaelcampbell on Saturday May 07, 2022 @04:44PM (#31298395)
> Spreading seeds from the air you're basically spreading bird food.

How do seeds arrive on the ground from trees, naturally?

Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by anyonecancode on Saturday May 07, 2022 @05:42PM (#31298864)
My yard currently has a bunch of maple tree seedlings sprouting up. At first I didn't know what they were and it took a lot of googling "what kind of weed is this" to find out. Since maple trees aren't usually considered "weeds," it took a while to identify these plants.

Anyway, there's a lot of them. At first I was hand pulling them, but after I identified them I realized I could probably just mow them and, once they've had their sprouting leaves chopped off, they'll just starve.

But the relevant point of my story is that I learned that: a) apparently (some) trees really do just disperse ridiculous amounts of seedlings, many of which do germinate and at least begin to grow. b) since I've never seen Maple trees growing in dense thickets like bamboo, I'm assuming that the vast majority of seedlings die off (and in fact a lot of the seedlings are sprouting in clearly terrible conditions that won't make sense once they're just a tiny bit larger -- in shallow soil, in deep shade, etc).

I'm a bit less skeptical that drone-based seeding would work thanks to this, though have no opinion on if that's an improvement over humans doing the seeding in terms of success and efficiency.

Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by loonster on Saturday May 07, 2022 @10:03PM (#31300542)
I remember reading that some trees purposely create non viable seeds in great numbers. The theory is it makes it energy inefficient for animals to sort through the chaff searching for viable seeds to eat.
Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by ncmncm on Sunday May 08, 2022 @12:02AM (#31301175)
One princess tree (also called empress tree) will drop tens or hundreds of thousands of seeds every year, of which most usually zero will grow into a new tree.

These trees are valued for furniture in Asia, but are invasive pests elsewhere, yet are still promoted by plant nurseries.

Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by nostrademons on Saturday May 07, 2022 @06:53PM (#31299382)
By spreading bird feed.

Many species of both animals & plants use the "spray and pray" mechanism of reproduction. Create enough gametes and by sheer numbers, some of them will eventually turn into adults.

That doesn't mean this approach will be successful for artificial reforestation. The numbers are fairly different for ensuring that the total number of seeds cast off by a maple or pine tree over its lifetime results in one successor tree, vs. trying to recreate a clear-cut forest from seed stocks delivered by drone.

Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by gerdesj on Saturday May 07, 2022 @07:52PM (#31299788)
"By spreading bird feed."

Wot? have you not seen a Sycamore?

Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by Tade0 on Saturday May 07, 2022 @06:59PM (#31299428)
Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by bmitc on Saturday May 07, 2022 @07:17PM (#31299569)
Birds and other animals.
Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by sjtindell on Saturday May 07, 2022 @04:46PM (#31298409)
Excellent point!
Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by Havoc on Saturday May 07, 2022 @03:29PM (#31297750)
>Spreading seeds from the air you're basically spreading bird food.

That is traditionally how seeds spread...

Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by dymk on Saturday May 07, 2022 @04:29PM (#31298267)
At four or five orders of magnitude more than what a fleet of drones can manage.
Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by bigbizisverywyz on Monday May 09, 2022 @09:27AM (#31313729)
Well... you need trees to spread more trees. But if you've got no trees to start with, then you need drones.
Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by adhesive_wombat on Saturday May 07, 2022 @04:35PM (#31298326)
> Spreading seeds from the air you're basically spreading bird food. Successful trees need the seeds to be planted under the earth.

Basically all tree seeds are spread by air, except perhaps ones that travel though an animal and get "planted" in droppings. Trees don't usually have seed drills.

To be fair, the germination rate of the average tree seed is probably in the millionths, which is why they make so many.

Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by causality0 on Saturday May 07, 2022 @05:08PM (#31298614)
Trouble is, they'll also probably kill all animals in the forest they happen to impale on their way down.

Those numbers would be very small. The percentage of the area of a forest that has the body of an animal directly above it is quite low.

Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by ordu on Saturday May 07, 2022 @08:15PM (#31299929)
> Spreading seeds from the air you're basically spreading bird food.

"These pods are manufactured using waste biomass, providing a carbon rich coating that protects the seeds from birds, insects and rodents."

Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by bostonsre on Saturday May 07, 2022 @05:14PM (#31298664)
They're not dropping them, they're shooting them into the ground and you can see them embed in their video.
Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by junon on Saturday May 07, 2022 @04:09PM (#31298089)
If you looked into it, you'd see it's not just "spreading bird food".
Re:Seed-firing drones are planting 40k trees every day to fi... by FrenchDevRemote on Saturday May 07, 2022 @04:20PM (#31298182)
animals are actually very likely to spread seeds further when they poop