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Re:There Is No CD Revival by charcircuit on Friday April 29, 2022 @05:23AM (#31203131)
Making a COPY from the CD to your computer is not legal us unless you have a license that allows you to do so.
Re:There Is No CD Revival by rob74 on Friday April 29, 2022 @05:30AM (#31203166)
IANAL, but ripping a CD that you own and then using that digital music yourself is legal - providing the songs to someone else (who hasn't paid for the album) isn't.
Re:There Is No CD Revival by webmaven on Friday April 29, 2022 @06:02AM (#31203331)
> IANAL, but ripping a CD that you own and then using that digital music yourself is legal - providing the songs to someone else (who hasn't paid for the album) isn't.

I am also not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that providing files you ripped to someone else ISN'T legal, even if they"ve paid for the album:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMG_Recordings,_Inc._v._MP3.....

Re:There Is No CD Revival by needle0 on Friday April 29, 2022 @06:24AM (#31203448)
Re:There Is No CD Revival by webmaven on Saturday April 30, 2022 @01:09PM (#31217459)
Oh my. Fruit of the Poisoned Tree gone amok.

Thanks for sharing that.

Re:There Is No CD Revival by boomboomsubban on Friday April 29, 2022 @06:29AM (#31203477)
It depends. If the CD has DRM, bypassing that DRM for a personal copy is a crime. If there's no DRM, I believe creating a personal copy is acceptable.
Re:There Is No CD Revival by ChrisLomont on Friday April 29, 2022 @06:42AM (#31203542)
The CD format doesn't support DRM. Extremely few CDs tried to fiddle to add it by adding errors, but modern readers aren't stopped from reading the audio.

CDs are pure audio data with error correction.

Re:There Is No CD Revival by boomboomsubban on Friday April 29, 2022 @07:05AM (#31203679)
There's the whole Sony rootkit fiasco that shows that record labels have tried to put DRM on CD's. I have no idea how many continued to try, but if they did bypassing it is a crime, even if it's trivial to bypass. The DMCA is dumb.
Re:There Is No CD Revival by layer8 on Friday April 29, 2022 @10:25AM (#31205556)
You can always play back the CD in a CD player with digital audio out and record the digital signal using an appropriate 44.1 kHz capable sound card, resulting in more or less a bit-perfect copy. That’s not bypassing DRM, because you’re just using regular consumer audio devices for their intended purpose.
Re:There Is No CD Revival by ChrisLomont on Friday April 29, 2022 @01:45PM (#31208448)
That was adding an executable for a PC, it had nothing to do with the audio, which was and is still perfectly copyable.
Re:There Is No CD Revival by kevin_thibedeau on Friday April 29, 2022 @01:05PM (#31207808)
CDs do have copy protection flags. This is unrelated to the intentionally corrupt pressed discs meant to subvert CD-R recorders.
Re:There Is No CD Revival by ChrisLomont on Friday April 29, 2022 @01:51PM (#31208519)
And it's so difficult to find any hardware anywhere that respects that flag that hacker forums are filled with questions asking if anyone ever saw such a device.

Every modern copy or backup program ignores it, and it looks like none ever used it.

Re:There Is No CD Revival by kevin_thibedeau on Friday April 29, 2022 @01:55PM (#31208576)
It was used on standalone audio recorders.
Re:There Is No CD Revival by ChrisLomont on Friday April 29, 2022 @04:29PM (#31210227)
Yep, very few, and likely nothing anyone is using now to copy/backup CDs with.

In forums where people look for such things out of curiosity people mention they existed, but I've not yet found someone that owns one to play with.

And zero of them stopped the analog hole on those old devices.

Now, as to the actual bit(s). There were two bits, one said copyrighted work, one said is this a copy. Almost all CDs shipped with the copyright bit set and the "is a copy" bit set to 0. This meant you can make one copy of the CD (by law). The copy should have the "is a copy" bit set, meaning no more copies of the copied disc.

This means you can actually copy the original CD as many times as you want, since it always looked like an original, hence copyable.

Remember Sony hardware sold an order of magnitude more in value than Sony music :)

Again, a non-issue. To recap:

1. Very few CDs even bothered to set the bits. 2. None (?) set both bits, meaning you can copy any original CD, even with bit respecting hardware. 3. The bit(s) in no way changed the audio. 4. No copy software on PC I have ever heard of even looked at the bit. 5. Very few pieces of hardware respected the bit.

Did I miss anything?

Re:There Is No CD Revival by pbhjpbhj on Friday April 29, 2022 @06:46AM (#31203565)
Depends on your jurisdiction.
Re:There Is No CD Revival by bloak on Friday April 29, 2022 @05:36AM (#31203201)
You say that, but other people say the opposite. I have no idea who's right. If you happen to have a link to a detailed legal analysis, with references, feel free to post it. I don't promise to read it myself but probably someone reading this is sufficiently interested in copyright law to read further.
Re:There Is No CD Revival by michaelmrose on Friday April 29, 2022 @06:25AM (#31203451)
For practical purposes the legality of ripping ones one own legally acquired cds is meaningless because it is impossible that one should face enforcement regardless of legality. A good argument could be had that in the US it is fair use however its hard to establish the legality given that in nearly 40 years in the US nobody has ever insofar as I'm able to discern ever had action taken against them solely for copying CDs to a computer or device for personal use.

DVDs are more complicated as tools to remove DRM are illegal under the DMCA.

There are 100 different jurisdictions and while the law is different the practical situation is the same. Who is exactly going to police you copying your own cds in your own home? How is bob from bob's records to discover you have copied it? One should have to convince congress to require Operating systems to rat you out to bob then convince users to use such systems.

Re:There Is No CD Revival by pbhjpbhj on Friday April 29, 2022 @06:53AM (#31203606)
In the UK under RIPA some authority could get records from your ISP of accesses to a CD info download system. Then they can ask that service for the list of track titles. As copyright is tort, the balance of probabilities is then that you infringed copyright.

Doesn't quite make sense, as copyright is tort, but there are police departments devoted to court enforcement. I'd be wary.

Not saying it will happen, but seems easy to catch a lot of people with the draconian powers and laws of UK.

Re:There Is No CD Revival by michaelmrose on Friday April 29, 2022 @08:54AM (#31204456)
So we start with a wronged party like a copyright owner. They ask a service that is likely in a different country for all the info on the people who looked up metadata of ip they own and don't get laughed out of court.

Then they demand that isps all over the country give names and addresses of people all over the UK that broke no law and did no wrong in hopes of conducting a fishing expedition and don't get laughed out of court.

Now they know who pays the bill for each home network but have no idea who actually downloaded the perfectly legal metadata and no way whatsoever to correlate the data of unknown users of the data with potentially unnamed buyers who legally purchased mp3s from multiple channels like Apple but you think a judge is going to let you paw through every computer in someone's home because you think they probably ripped a cd instead of downloading it on itunes 6 years ago on a different computer at a different address.

Does this sound real?

Re:There Is No CD Revival by nybble41 on Friday April 29, 2022 @12:17PM (#31207132)
> So we start with a wronged party like a copyright owner.

"Wronged" implies that they were harmed in some way. A better term would be "offended". They discovered, indirectly, that someone else was doing something they don't approve of—which otherwise doesn't affect them at all—and they want it stopped by any means necessary, even though this will just make the other person worse off without materially improving their own situation.

Re:There Is No CD Revival by daveoc64 on Friday April 29, 2022 @08:23AM (#31204233)
Or you could have just put the CD into your PC to listen to the music, and it downloaded the metadata for on-screen use only?
Re:There Is No CD Revival by throwaway0x7E6 on Friday April 29, 2022 @06:47AM (#31203570)
they wouldn't go after nobodies, that's true. but if you're an inconvenient person for the powers that be, you may very well have the book get thrown at you.
Re:There Is No CD Revival by michaelmrose on Friday April 29, 2022 @08:55AM (#31204471)
Why hasn't this happened in decades?
Re:There Is No CD Revival by Beltalowda on Friday April 29, 2022 @05:55AM (#31203294)
It depends on the jurisdiction.

I don't know what the status is in the US, but copies for personal use are legal in the Netherlands. In fact, you actually pay a "private copying levy" for most devices capable of storing media (blank CDs, hard drives, phones, etc.)

Looks like there's something similar in a number of other European countries, but I don't know the details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy

Re:There Is No CD Revival by Jaruzel on Friday April 29, 2022 @06:43AM (#31203545)
Here in the UK, it's currently illegal - the High Court ruled in favour of the Musicians Union back 2015, and it's yet to be overturned (again).

The distinction is, that while it's NOT illegal to copy a CD to another format, it IS illegal to make a copy of something that has someone else's copyright on it, be it music, spoken word, written documents, videos or photos etc.

Re:There Is No CD Revival by judysjacket on Friday April 29, 2022 @06:51AM (#31203595)
>it IS illegal to make a copy of something that has someone else's copyright on it

That can't be true.

It would mean doing backups are effectively illegal (can only backup your own files, not programs or the OS or any other files not created by oneself)

Re:There Is No CD Revival by Jaruzel on Friday April 29, 2022 @07:19AM (#31203742)
Unfortunately it is true.

Explained in the last paragraph of this section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripping#United_Kingdom

Re:There Is No CD Revival by matheusmoreira on Friday April 29, 2022 @11:45AM (#31206623)
My country has a law that says I have the right to make backups for personal use.
Re:There Is No CD Revival by brazzy on Friday April 29, 2022 @05:27AM (#31203149)
That depends very much on where you live. It is legal in Canada and most of Europe.