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Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by gilbetron on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @08:01AM (#31001408)
It's an age thing - the dreams you had when you were younger didn't turn into reality - dreams usually don't. Or at least, not as you expect it.

Tech is still really cool, compared to decades ago. But we have so much of it and it is everywhere, that we re-calibrate and think that all this amazing, cool tech is boring. You can get a 3D printer for a few hundred bucks, build it yourself, build a better 3d printer, get some awesome tech for a hundred bucks or so, and then build a really cool robot. It's the tinkerer's dream right now. But because it is everywhere, we think it is boring.

It isn't! I'm Gen X and, if you let yourself, you can get re-engaged. We're the ultimate generation of apathy, so if I can do it, you can do it ;) Make sure some lifestyle choice isn't messing with your curiosity and excitement, though. Bad sleep, missing exercise, doom scrolling, too much booze or other recreational drugs, all that can suck the joy out of life and tech.

In the early 2000s, right after the Dot Com Bubble burst, I had a tech friend tell me, "I think all the great stuff has been invented, it's all boring now." That was in the web 1.0 days, before the web as we know it now existed. Before rockets that land on their end, before smartphones, before Deep Learning, before all this amazing stuff that exists now.

Oh, and you've just gone through a couple of churns of software ecosystem, it can seem same-y, but it is actually great in the long run. New situations mean old ideas that were discarded can become valuable, which can be odd. The complexity sucks, but ... shrug.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by rob74 on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @08:29AM (#31001703)
I agree that it's partly an age thing, but I also agree that the times have been more exciting in the past technology-wise.

I grew up as a eighties tech geek kid. I learned BASIC on a SHARP programmable calculator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharp_PC-1403), then moved on to an Atari 800, then to an Amiga, and finally to a PC. Each of these machines was orders of magnitude more capable than the previous one - you don't have that anymore nowadays. Then in the late 90s there was the Internet, with the promise that you could connect to anyone around the world and the potential to really bring the world together. Well, that didn't quite turn out the way 20 year old me imagined unfortunately. Of course, technological progress is still going on, but it's more "your smartphone can now do what your desktop PC did 20 years ago, or your laptop did 10 years ago". SpaceX rockets look practically indistinguishable from rockets that flew 50-70 years ago. Ok, those couldn't land again, but technological progress has been more of a crawl there (with an unnecessary detour into a dead end called "Space Shuttle"). Same with self-driving cars and other potentially exciting stuff.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by koonsolo on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:38AM (#31002538)
Are you crazy? I'm from '79, so probably a bit younger than you.

We can now buy an Arduino board for the price of a computer game, and make a flying drone. Even with a small camera or some sensors if you want. Or create some small robots with all the motors and sensors that you want, custom 3d printed.

My son is now 13 and doing STEM. I only wish I had access to all the things that they can now do for cheap, especially all the robotics and drone stuff. Plus, the amount of info on the internet is amazing and quickly accessible anywhere.

I agree that the old days were a lot of fun, but if I had to choose, I would want to be 13 nowadays instead of the 80s or 90s.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by pessimizer on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @11:05AM (#31003680)
> We can now buy an Arduino board for the price of a computer game, and make a flying drone.

I'm pretty sure you could do this 20 years ago, there just hadn't been that wave of marketing around microcontrollers as a hobby that happened around the time of Make magazine. $2 for a PIC and $45 for a programmer, maybe? Waiting excitedly for the next issue of Nuts & Volts? Idly flipping through the Jameco and Small Parts catalogs? Toolboxes filled with TTL?

The internet is certainly an advantage, but it also ain't too new.

edit: randomly posting the Small Parts catalog so we can reflect on and celebrate what was lost https://web.archive.org/web/20160323004150/http://www.smallp...

NO MINIMUM ORDER

Also, a shout out to American Science & Surplus, off to the suburbs after 84 years.

https://blockclubchicago.org/2021/10/13/american-science-sur...

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by gilbetron on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @11:11AM (#31003747)
No? Not even remotely. Even besides buying the parts (which were more expensive and, literally, exponentially less capable), the knowhow and training needed wasn't something you could find on the Internet. Drones didn't exist then, that was a fantasy in 2002. The Internet of 2002 was far, far different from what we have now.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by raxxorraxor on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @03:40AM (#31012109)
True, the choices were more limited, but there is still a trend in that direction again. If you associate tech is with Apple devices for example, you are probably not one dabbling in tech, you are the passive passenger. Doesn't have to be the case, but there is a hype is more about consumer solutions instead of tech itself.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by vanadium on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @11:19AM (#31003853)
AS&S is, in a relatively literal sense, next door to me. Fun bunch of folks whenever I stop by.

But as a late 70s Gen Xer, I would never trade living through that transition period from pre-Internet to Internet. You can't pay to have had that experience or perspective, and what transpired through those years from BBSes to pre-Web to Web adoption, from technological and sociological standpoints, was _insane_.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by Damogran6 on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @11:49AM (#31004275)
Drones only became technically feasible on the shoulders of the mems development for cellphones, so, no. The Lego-if-I-cation of digital hardware is a relatively recent thing.

(Yeah, there was radio shack and Heathkit, but the barriers to entry are MUCH smaller today)

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by drewcoo on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @11:58AM (#31004400)
> The Lego-if-I-cation of digital hardware is a relatively recent thing.

That happened in the 80s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lego_Mindstorms

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by Damogran6 on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @12:34PM (#31004926)
I was unclear, you’re not wrong, but I meant getting a $5 cpu and a $6 WiFi module and a $5 humidity sensor and a $2 power controller and a $10 lipo battery. The components are like Legos.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by saltcured on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:03PM (#31010451)
Those bricks used to be a discrete components, maybe an op-amp, or a 7400 series chip from TI with maybe two or four logic gates, and they were sold in individual units on peg-board racks at your local Radio Shack.

Sure, we didn't have "drones" in the 80s, since the battery tech and digital integration wasn't there yet to make it feasible. There were radio controlled cars with digital PCM signals, servos for steering, and heavy 6 or 7 cell NiCd battery packs. There were also radio controlled aircraft, but they were generally using an internal-combustion engine, unless they were gliders. These ranged from toy to rather extravagant hobby depending on the size and capability. My neighbor would fly his glider, which had a roughly 2-3 foot wingspan, for what seemed like hours on thermals on a slope behind our houses.

Edit to add: I don't remember the details, but I believe that he told us the radio control was the most expensive part and not much different from what people used in the fancier car kits. The rest was cheap and easily replaced, which was necessary to be light but also to be able to repair after inevitable crashes. Think of a vacuum-formed plastic skin filled with expanded foam, a bit like the structure of a surfboard but with much lower strength.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by koonsolo on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @03:11PM (#31007018)
> I'm pretty sure you could do this 20 years ago

As a kid I sometimes went to a RC airfield here close by. Those things were crazy expensive. And then we're not even talking about model helicopters yet. Those things were not on batteries but on gasoline. As a kid I dreamed of having one, but those were just too expensive to give as a toy to a kid. Nowadays? Buy a drone 'helicopter' for $20. It's really crazy if you compare this to the 90's.

Drones that self hover were not even remotely possible. Or at least not as far as I know, unless you know more than me. And drones with camera's? No way!

> The internet is certainly an advantage, but it also ain't too new.

I remember when as a kid I got stuck programming. No internet, no StackOverflow... Good luck! In a sense it was cool to find solutions yourself, but it definitely wasn't quick! :)

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by adewinter on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:28PM (#31010237)
No, you definitely could not do it 20 years ago with hobbyist grade parts. The software basically did not exist and whatever tech there was was strictly hidden behind government arms control restrictions (ITAR) because of fears that the tech could be used in ballistic missiles.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by dvh1990 on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:16AM (#31003042)
Well yes, but flying drones are not exciting when everybody can build/buy one.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by xboxnolifes on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:23AM (#31003138)
What's interesting is not having a drone, but what you do with them. It's like saying photography is not exciting when everyone has a camera.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by tarboreus on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @03:45PM (#31007403)
It kind of isn't. though.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by throwaway675309 on Friday April 15, 2022 @10:37PM (#31048786)
You shouldn't derive whether or not something is exciting to yourself by its exclusivity. I can't even begin to state how wrong that feels.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by hackerfromthefu on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @01:34PM (#31017560)
That's so subjective. My photography is interesting to me, and draws admiration and interest from almost everyone I share it with, even though they themselves have phones with cameras.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by rowanG077 on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:31AM (#31003248)
Then you were not really interested in Tech. Just in being in some pseudo exclusive club. I definitely think building your own drone is very exciting.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by tbugrara on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @05:36PM (#31008511)
Just want to chime in and say there's nothing wrong with finding excitement in doing something unique. That drive inside of you has taken people very far I'd imagine, with the obvious tradeoffs.

Don't give up on tech and keep an open mind. It's true that flying drones are not exciting to you, but flying a drone could be a first step in finding something more interesting to do with drones.

Boredom is functional. It can be a guide towards more interesting things so as long as you don't let it run the show. Tolerate it and follow (intelligently) where it takes you, don't avoid it.

I don't know how helpful this will be to you, but it bothered me to see people dismiss your interest because you value doing something unique. Those same judgements held me back for years.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by marktangotango on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:47AM (#31003462)
Ask the military planners of the world how exciting drones are. That one little device being dismissed so casually has changed warfare, for all time.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by rchaud on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @11:21AM (#31003873)
Those people were probably just as excited when NSO's Pegasus became commercially available. For the rest of us, that wouldn't be the case.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by koonsolo on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @03:14PM (#31007056)
Drones have so many applications! I know a guy who builds drones to map out farmer lands. So many applications, so little time.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by kooshball on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @01:53PM (#31006067)
what a ridiculous statement. it also shows why the whole premise for this post is so misguided.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by ddaalluu2 on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:26AM (#31003191)
So you're not interested in tech but in tech no one else has.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by dvh1990 on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @04:32AM (#31012388)
The novelty factor IS important. Back in the 90s/00s techies were relatively rare. Being tech-oriented, generally smart but also socially awkward and introverted is an interesting mix - you derive identity and pride from the things that make you special.

Was this the reason I loved tech? No, that's the reason I DID tech. The reason I loved tech is because I believed that tech will make our lives exponentially better. And up to a certain point, it did...

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by zozbot234 on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @08:55AM (#31001996)
> Each of these machines was orders of magnitude more capable than the previous one - you don't have that anymore nowadays.

As you mention, computers can become "orders of magnitude more capable" simply by shrinking to a smaller form factor. We're about to have smartphones that are fully usable as computers, or smart watches that you can run free OS's and homebrew applications on.

> Then in the late 90s there was the Internet, with the promise that you could connect to anyone around the world and the potential to really bring the world together.

There's still plenty of projects trying to do that kind of thing. Big Tech social media is only the most popular part of the Internet, you're mostly free to ignore it if you like.

> Ok, those couldn't land again, but technological progress has been more of a crawl there (with an unnecessary detour into a dead end called "Space Shuttle").

The Space Shuttle was not a dead end, it had all sorts of cool capabilities that we're only now getting back with the SpaceX Starship. And rockets that land again are a big deal because they radically change the equation of how much it costs to launch things into space.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by frostwarrior on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:20AM (#31003100)
> As you mention, computers can become "orders of magnitude more capable" simply by shrinking to a smaller form factors. We're about to have smartphones that are fully usable as computers, or smart watches that you can run free OS's and homebrew applications on.

He talks about functionality. Not power. Yes, computers are more powerful now. But the point is that old computers were way more flexible and "powerful" in an usability sense. New computers are full of arbitrary (and natural (1)) barriers to stop you from having full control of your pocket CPU.

(1) The natural additional barrier is also complexity. Early computers were simple. Some hobbyist could write a system from scratch just by having some knowledge about computers and electronics. Now you have a lot more factors, an OS, a plethora of drivers and a browser that's closer to a VM than a HTML parser.

> There's still plenty of projects trying to do that kind of thing. Big Tech social media is only the most popular part of the Internet, you're mostly free to ignore it if you like.

You are right. But that kind of connection is disappointing to our 20 year old geek self. We (naively) wanted more people to become computer literates. Instead, we got algorithms and fake news.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by zozbot234 on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:32AM (#31003258)
> We (naively) wanted more people to become computer literates. Instead, we got algorithms and fake news.

Arguably, we got both. Even basic computer literacy is a huge value added right now. Journalists are telling coal miners to "learn to code" if they want a job, and being told to "learn to code" in return. Tim Apple is expressly saying that every kid should learn to code. This is astounding from a 1980s and 1990s perspective.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by mercutio2 on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:19AM (#31003084)
All sorts of cool things that we’re now getting back to with Starship 40 years later… sounds like the very definition of a dead end to me! No one took Shuttle and iterated on it. It had a bunch of impractical ideas combined for primarily political reasons that resulted in actual shuttle flights being incredibly dangerous.

It delivered lots of pork, but at the cost of actual progress.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by irrational on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @11:38AM (#31004123)
I don’t know about your experience, but I grew up during the same time period. Tech was decidedly uncool, at least among my classmates. I don’t think tech became cool until the early 2000s when smartphones took off (specifically the combination of smarthphones and social media/communication). Now these things are so common place that I think they have ceased to be cool. It’s like considering a rotary or push button phone to be cool in the 1980s.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by yakytaky on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @05:25PM (#31008413)
I agree with this. I’m a somewhere between generation X and millennial, and for some reason tech was uncool in the eyes of my peers. Suddenly many of them are talking about decentralized this, UX that, and the whole space is slowly losing it’s “coolness” to me.

I’ll admit I enjoyed the exclusivity that my interests evolved into, but I definitely wish I had more people around me to share my interest in technology when I was younger.

In a way I think I grew into this expectation of exclusivity, as that was the only way my adolescent self could tell myself it was a cool hobby.

Age might play a factor in this equation, as others are saying. I say this because I have found enjoyment in simplicity more than complexity these days, and I’m told that’s something that happens with age. Writing a website that runs purely on html+ css, text based communication (as in not slack or discord), and things that I can work on for a few days and complete. I’ve taken a recent interest in sailing. My former self wanted to take on massive undertakings of complexity that required months or years of planning and doing to accomplish. To go on a bit of a tangent, I remember having an idea years ago to find a way to build a computer into a boat which would take real-time measurements of the water and weather conditions. These days I’m interested in reading my surroundings to understand the environment.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by janj on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @12:04PM (#31004473)
I might be wrong but it sounds like what excited you was seeing the progress of the tools, not necessarily what YOU can do with the tools. If that's the case then yeah, it's probably getting harder to put your hands on tools that are orders of magnitude greater than what you just had. I'm learning guitar, all the tools I can get are all very exciting because I haven't seen them before, and I could acquire them a lot faster than I can improve my abilities. But if I don't put in the time to advance myself along with the tools they will quickly become "boring", but only because I'm not able to use them effectively.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by nicoburns on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:06AM (#31002115)
> technological progress is still going on, but it's more "your smartphone can now do what your desktop PC did 20 years ago, or your laptop did 10 years ago"

In terms of tech that would excite a geeky kid, I think it's more like "you can now buy a $1 microcontroller that's as powerful as desktop PC from 30 years ago". Which is pretty exciting as it means you can throw computing power at all sorts of real world automated which wasn't feasible for a hobbyist before.

TL;DR The modern equivalent of a programmable calculator is an Arduino or a Raspberry Pi not a smartphone.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by mrob on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @11:29AM (#31004008)
A typical desktop PC from 30 years ago had at least 2MiB RAM. There's no cheap microcontroller with this.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by nicoburns on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @11:58AM (#31004394)
I guess not, but you can get a Raspberry Pi Zero with 512MiB for £10. That's not $1, but it's definitely still "within relatively easy financial reach of a kid" territory
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by eternauta3k on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:24AM (#31002359)
What microcontroller are you thinking of?
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by sokoloff on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:35AM (#31002505)
ESP8266/32 is slightly over a $1 but still within the spirit of “more like $1 micro”.

Confining more strictly to $1.00, STM32F030F4P6 (48MHz 32-bit M0) is in spitting distance to a 386 or 20MHz 68030 for some workloads. (50 MHz 486-DX2 was introduced in ‘92, but the typical desktop PC of 1992 was much lower spec.)

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by nicoburns on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:14AM (#31003010)
It was indeed the ESP8266/ESP32 I had in mind. The ESP8266 is slightly over $1, but not much! (e.g. available here for $1.17 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32651747570.html)
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by foldr on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:34AM (#31002492)
Quite a few of the following options would give a 386SX from 1992 a run for its money in terms of raw computing power:

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/filter/embedded-microcon...

To compete with a high end 486 desktop from 1992 you might have to pay a bit more than $1, particularly if you want floating point.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by Narishma on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @11:56AM (#31004368)
Not to mention the lack of memory on microcontrollers.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by crobertsbmw on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:43AM (#31002602)
MSP430 g series are under a dollar depending on what package you get. The DIP package is a little more expensive than the Smaller TSSOP but they are incredibly powerful.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by WJW on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @08:37AM (#31001788)
For sure, there is boatloads of cool tech out there and the barrier to entry is lower than ever. Btw, I think an overlooked part of the OP was:

> Nowadays I'm a software dev and tech entrepreneur.

Doing anything as a job is an excellent way to kill your enjoyment of it as a hobby. Subconsciously, you start looking at projects in a business light ("can I turn this into a side gig", "will this advance my career", etc) and that kills off a lot of the excitement that comes with doing things just because you want to.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by frostwarrior on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:33AM (#31003284)
I personally disagree. I'm a software dev and software is still exciting to me.

What kills enjoyment it's not proffesionalism but efficiency. You stop exploring new things and start doing things the fastest and least effort consuming way. You stop wondering what new cool things a technology could offer and start thinking what's the shortest path to a functional product.

Being playful is the opposite of that. Being playful is about going out of your way to explore a new thing, setting your curiosity high and your expectations low, and coming back with a new experience. Let it be a spark of excitement or a total bummer because that new thing turned out being crap.

But don't expect that to happen in your job. Any company will always optimize for profits over cool tech. Even if you only have 1 hour a day to spend in a tech hobby, that hour will be more exciting then the previous 9.

Another problem is that, when you have a solid knowledge about the foundations, there's a tendency to disregard abstractions or quality of life advances. If for every new language you say "It's slow and heavy compared to C and its advantages are crap" well, you are killing your excitement yourself.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by gilbetron on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @08:47AM (#31001903)
Oh for sure. I tell my nieces and nephews and now my son that the best way to kill something you love is to get a job doing it.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by barrell on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:22AM (#31002331)
> Tech is still really cool, compared to decades ago

I think a huge factor I haven't seen mentioned is continuous delivery. How often were new operating systems released? How often were new products announced? When you bought software, the devs would be hard at work working on the next version with the incentive to make it good enough that people would buy again.

Now software is continually released. "Major" updates are expected every year, and they're often free and people are expected to upgrade. Subscription models have rolled out, so while directly interacting with your customer probably leads to a better product, there's less incentive to re-invent the wheel - you don't need to upsell all your previous clients.

I would assume that all of this is leading to better products, but all of the baby steps make it all seem so lacklustre.

For example, compare the iPhone 13 Pro's camera to, say, the iPhone 8's camera. Had Apple waited 5 years to release the upgrade, the new camera would have blown. peoples. freaking. minds. However, since it's been getting slightly better each year, we instead have people complaining about how the only difference is a slightly better camera.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by csande17 on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:32AM (#31003263)
I am skeptical that, particularly in software, rolling releases are a net improvement. If users are locked into subscription services or monetized via data collection, version N+1 no longer needs to be better than version N for the company to keep making money. (In fact, it can be worse, if users are sufficiently locked in via network services or app/plugin ecosystems.)
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by randomdata on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @11:46AM (#31016086)
I think you're right. A decade ago the hype behind the self-driving car made it sound pretty cool. The closer we get to having them, the more boring the idea seems. Each new model with improved driver assistance is just a small improvement over the previous model. When a true fully autonomous model lands, it too will just be a small improvement over the previous year's model, which will be almost fully autonomous. The day you can go down to the dealer's lot and buy a self-driving car for the first time will be a fairly uneventful day.

Like you say, in the days of yore the product cycles were long. It was many years between updates. The innovation that took place over that long period was significant, so it was much more wowing when all that behind the scenes work appeared in view.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by davidn20 on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @08:16AM (#31001543)
It's definitely an age thing. Don't get me wrong, I know OP feeling all too well. But, it's like complaining about how the music I grew with was the best music. It's more likely the curiosity in you die, rather than the world running out of stuff to be curious about.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by JKCalhoun on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:29AM (#31002424)
I don't think so.

There are waves throughout history where, at times, it's the Wild West and the opportunities and possibilities abound. One such time was when the Internet had become a global backbone, hardware prices were racing to the bottom, we were seeing new display (LCD) technology, battery tech....

But then Corporations happened.

Ads moved in to dominate the web, dollar-chasing sites (also often corporate) drowned everything else out. Search engines too started directing you there — toward the mainstream, dollared sites. As other posters have noted, the devices themselves locked down. Hobbyists go pro?

It's difficult to imagine something like the BBS culture taking off now. But I do believe these things are cyclical, so I am still going along for the ride, hoping to find the fun niches (Raspberry Pi perhaps?).

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by giraffe_lady on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:20AM (#31003102)
Part of it is also just the field maturing. For a solid generation or two car tinkering was accessible and widespread. American culture still has a lot of influence from this but as cars matured and became more powerful and reliable, the need to do it and the threshold to get anything out of it changed. I think the latest new "niche" in that domain is the import tuning scene, decades old at this point.

Some tinkerers do it because they just enjoy the tinkering but for most I think it's a combination of enjoying it some while also getting some tangible benefits out of it. When any device you could easily DIY is available off the shelf, the cost-benefit changes. You have hard DIY left, but not easy tinkering for moderate gains.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by anthk on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:44AM (#31002629)
BBS' -> tildes, Gopher rebirth and Gemini.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by jdmichal on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:29AM (#31003227)
I had a thought the other day. Our house didn't have a fridge, so we had to buy one when we moved in. We plugged it in one day about 7 years ago and haven't touched it since. So here's a machine that has been keeping our foodstuffs cold with 100% uptime for 7 years, and we just don't even think about it.

I'm also old enough to remember when cell phones became a thing, and then when smart phones became the thing after that. The fact that the thing in my pocket could simultaneously emulate several copies of the computer I had as a kid, while running on a battery? And I can talk to people and access the internet from anywhere? This is amazing stuff, and again we just don't even think about it anymore. Like, I fiddled around programming with my TI-84 and TI-92, but that's nothing compared to the capabilities of this smartphone.

And, speaking of which, don't even get me started on the internet. The fact is that I don't even remember what it's like to not have a thing in my pocket that can answer pretty much any question I have, whenever and wherever I have it.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by jollybean on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @08:32AM (#31001736)
Tech was nerdy in the 1990s.

By the 2010's there is a totally different culture. Call it 'All Birds' culture.

1990's there were a lot of weird folks, hippies etc.

2010's 'All Birds' is more commercial, fashionable, a totally different kind of culture.

1990's tech was about tech, it's upstack now, so more like tech applied to classical business problems.

AirBnB isn't really a tech company, it happens to be because other, more established companies were not able to integrate tech quickly enough to develop those kinds of markets, where you want to have strong tech / IT instead of relegating them to the back office.

Even Facebook, it's a social media company really. Which is different than Oracle, Sun, Microsoft.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by gilbetron on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @08:54AM (#31001982)
There are more "nerdy", non-boring tech people, but you are correct, you won't find them at AirBnB, Facebook, or Amazon. So don't go there if you want to find it. There's a place in my town that uses drones to inspect Air Turbines - I can guarantee there are more interesting people there. Go into small, crazy businesses that exist to do cool tech. "Cool" people, in my experience, are pretty dull, at least for the societal definition of cool. Find the nerds and geeks, they are still out there, but they still aren't the cool, in group. They are weird and thorny and sometimes smell a little. But they have really fun ideas!
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by jollybean on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:28AM (#31002412)
My fear is that the 'All Birds Nerds' exclude 'Nerd Nerds'.

'nerd nerds' don't know what they are doing in terms of presentation or communication.

If 'nerd nerds' are 'hip' it's completely by accident.

I also think 'nerd nerds' just say whatever, meaning that occasionally they will say something un-PC, or lacking in empathy and be 'pushed out' for that reason.

There was a time (and some people are still like this) where utterances didn't imply an ideological alignment, it's just something that's said.

In 'All Birds Culture' everyone is careful how they communicate.

I'm sure there are some nerd nerds at AirBnB and frankly not everyone in All Birds Nerd culture is the prototype either but the 'mainstay' at AirBnB would be All Birds Nerds.

Someone who wears a 'Metal' T-shirt, completely un-ironically, because they like Metal, and wore it 5 times without washing it, because they forgot, and have disgusting greasy sideburns just 'because they like it' ... and an article of clothing made out of snakeskin ... that's probably a nerd nerd.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by bluefirebrand on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:55AM (#31002785)
I suspect, with no evidence, that the distinction you are making here can be described as neurotypical nerds (what you call All Birds nerds) versus neurodivergent nerds (autistic, adhd, whatever you want to bucket them under)

Neurodivergent people tend to have a bit less of a social filter, they are more direct and honest, often to the point of bluntness (leading to the 'just say whatever' behavior you mentioned)

They also tend to be pretty unfiltered when it comes to their passions, and hyperfixate on them to the detriment of other areas of their life, like laundry.

And yes, these people are often excluded basically anywhere they go, and they have to mask their behaviours to appear more normal to get jobs. In that respect, the All Birds culture has absolutely pushed them aside, or pushed them under.

This is just my 2 cents, attempting to put some definitions around the All Birds and Nerd Nerds groups you described. I could be entirely mistaken.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by liquids on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @12:23PM (#31004757)
I think you’ve done a good job of summarizing the landscape – it matches my experience.

The progression seems to be the decline of the nerd-nerd monoculture in the professional tech environment. With some irony, the increase in diversity is from the non-neurodiverse. Product managers, engineering managers, vertically integrated teams.

I believe on the most part this creates healthier productivity for the business – but likely at the social expense of the neurodiverse. Their technical skills can be more readily exploited by the hustlers.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by bluefirebrand on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @02:22PM (#31006473)
I think part of the problem is that we haven't moved from the "nerd nerd monoculture" to more diverse cultures. What has happened instead is that we've adopted an MBA, Agile-driven monoculture instead. That culture is honestly pretty hostile to neurodiverse people by forcing them into marching orders and restricting their freedom to be themselves.

At least that's my experience.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by jollybean on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @02:53PM (#31006833)
Neurodiversity is probably aligned with that but I suspect a lot of people are just not self aware, never learned to communicate in a political environment.

A neurodiverse, even introverted kid who went to private school then Ivy League, and had 'a lot of money / no fears' growing up ... probably will have been socialized in the political sense.

Grow up in a small town or the burbs, people are 'judgy' about some stuff, but not anything complicated or nuanced.

I'm not in any camp, but really not until I was 30 did I notice how much stock people put into small signals. Like 'likes fishing' or 'football' etc..

Especially in such a competitive environment, people are I think looking for flaws.

Torvalds, James Gosling, Wozniack, Sergei Brin - those are nerd-nerds.

(I once saw Sergei Brin walking down the street in what looked like a back brace and mime outfit. Serious. WTF? Middle of the day.

Sundar is All Birds Nerd, but he's a business guy anyhow.

I feel a lot of YC culture errs on the side of All Birds Nerds.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by Karrot_Kream on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @08:46PM (#31009956)
> Torvalds, James Gosling, Wozniack, Sergei Brin - those are nerd-nerds.

Remember that college educations, especially highly skilled STEM ones, were very rare for their parents' generation (born in the 30s - 50s)

Torvalds - Father was a politician, grandfather a famous statistician

Wozniak - Father was an engineer for Lockheed

Brin - Father a math professor, mother a NASA researcher

Gosling was the only one in this bunch who really just came out of nowhere. I agree with what you're saying about Nerd Nerds and All Birds Nerds but the founders of Silicon Valley were always well-heeled. I think the culture changed for rank-and-file engineers mostly because of the money in the field. While founders would certainly make it big (Moore, Gates, etc) the average engineer was payed well but not fantastically.

One could feasibly work in other white-collar fields (law, accounting, airline pilot, etc) to make similar money and those who were interested in the largest pay packages and large amounts of prestige went into fields like finance or medicine. Folks who went into tech typically chose tech because they liked the problems that you could solve in tech or liked the people who chose to go into tech (often somewhat neurodiverse). Nowadays tech salaries are insane and most people who enter tech are doing it for money and prestige foremost. These folks are going to be the All Birds Nerds; smart folks who are more interested in making money and rising the ranks rather than playing around with tech.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by rcarmo on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @08:08AM (#31001470)
To your point about 3D printing and robots, we haven’t really moved the needle that much. We’ve made it easy for anyone to print a “cool” robot, sure, but it isn’t necessarily a _useful_ one.

As a former “maker” and electronics hack I think lot of maker stuff has devolved into “cool” stuff that consists of wire hangers and servos with RGB lighting and very little actual value. But coolness doesn’t really mean much when everything is hyped as such.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by supernovae on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @08:23AM (#31001620)
Being a maker isn’t about creating “things of value” or being “useful”.

That same mindset is ruining many a good hobby. Astrophotography is going down a shameful route where the only thing your peers want to see is the misery of all the debt you have to out fancy someone else.

as for 3d printers.. they have come a long way and have become a core part of creativity and engineering for programs like First Robotics.. hardware is improving, safety is improving, reliability is improving - so much so that if you give up on the creative aspect you can just print away and get started with little effort.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by hotpotamus on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @08:45AM (#31001883)
For some reason I feel the need to weigh in here. I love photography and astronomy but I see no point in mixing the two. We just spent $10 billion to send a fabulous camera and lens into the L2 Lagrange point. Not to mention the over 30 year old Hubble which no amateur has any hope of matching despite decades of advancements in amateur tech (and to be fair to the amateurs, they can do remarkably better than their peers of 30 years ago). But I already spent my money (in tax dollar form) on the best scientists in the world to go and take pretty pictures which also sometimes provide great scientific input.

If people enjoy astrophotography then that's fine, but the most magical part of Astronomy to me is seeing Saturn (easily the visual crown jewel of our solar system) through the telescope with my own eyes and realizing that it really is hanging out there in the sky for all to see.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by supernovae on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:57AM (#31002810)
Citizen scientists do make discoveries - we often discover NEO's, comets and supernova to assist scientists who have limited capacity - I've seen some great work here and lots of technology + telescope convergence of being able to scan thousands of plate solves a night using GPU to find near earth objects. This part of citizen science is doing well...

but astrophotography, it used to be able the wonder of capturing it - regardless if you prefer visual with your eye or assisted seeing with a camera. There used to be a aura of DIY - find a camera, adapt it, take some photos, share them, have people say good job.

Now its really about memes, trolling and who can get the most Instagram's.. and that's kind of depressing.

The people doing citizen science are way outnumbered by the vocal ones comparing their debt, their investment and their preference of equipment as a superiority complex and social media feeds into that and supports it with the algo favoring the controversy and the fights

It was a bitter sweet day to sell off my remote observatory and get my nights back...

but the passion for the heavens is still there

however, that "eyepiece vs a camera" thing is very much part of the problem with the hobby... it just shouldn't matter.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by cptaj on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @08:38AM (#31001803)
I think this would be helped a lot if the maker community immersed itself more in industrial engineering.

Like you mentioned, its hard to go from "hah, I can make a cool thing" to "Let me make this super useful mechatronic contraption" but this is the bread and butter of industry.

You see production lines and they're just a long string of such contraptions working in unison.

Makers nowadays have amazing resources that were previously reserved only for industry so heck yeah, maybe go make a fish fillet machine or something just for kicks but also maybe a brand new small business

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by gilbetron on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @08:49AM (#31001926)
Huh? I don't follow. 3D Printing and robot are moving far faster than ever before. Sure, you aren't going from "no 3d printing" to "3d printing", but that's like complaining about food today because it isn't like when you were a kid and got McDonalds once a month and how awesome that was!
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by stonemetal12 on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:47AM (#31002679)
Part of it has, but then there are those guys working on 3d printing houses.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by bluescrn on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:11AM (#31002176)
There's also the fact that much modern tech tends to be very locked-down, discourages tinkering/creativity, and is built to push ads/subscriptions/in-app-purchases.

But there's rarely a 'wow' factor to new tech any more. Everything is incremental improvement and the era of huge leaps forward is well behind us. The step up from a C64 to an Amiga, or a SNES to a Playstation, or an early iPhone from a feature phone, or Win3.1 to Win9x - those were serious upgrades.

But going from a PS5 Pro to PS5, an iPhone 8 to an iPhone 13, 1080p to 4K, an i7 to a 5-generations-newer i7, or a GTX1080 to an RTX3080 - they're nice incremental steps, but not revolutionary leaps forwards.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by randomdata on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:38AM (#31002540)
> But there's rarely a 'wow' factor to new tech any more.

John Deere started commercially selling a self-driving tractor this year. That's a pretty big wow. Something straight out of the sci-fi books.

I think it doesn't pop because the internet has been streaming the development of such tech for the last decade or more. It seems incremental because we have had insights into the development process, which is something the masses didn't have access to when Windows 3.1 or the C64 landed.

Gone are the days of decades of behind the scenes R&D suddenly landing in our laps to amaze us. We now watch the R&D unfold in realtime.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by kayoone on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @11:34AM (#31004082)
funny that you mention John Deere, the company who is/was facing farmer revolts because they removed the right to repair and locked down the ecus.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by brootstrap on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:49AM (#31002712)
self driving tractors have been around for years already. The guy operating usually just chills there listening to the radio and occasionally engages to help with precise turns or whatnot.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by randomdata on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:53AM (#31002772)
Yes, but the new sensor pack to remove the rider is a huge upgrade. Like going from flipping toggle switches to Windows 95 kind of an upgrade. The previous commenter was amazed by the transition from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95.

But, again, it's boring because we watched the development of those sensors as it was happening. In the past the masses would have been unaware of the development going on. But nowadays we know what's coming and it seems old hat by the time it hits the market.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by rowanG077 on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:42AM (#31003386)
You are contradicting yourself. A self-driving tractor that requires an operator is not fully self-driving.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by yywwbbn on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @01:54PM (#31006091)
I personally found the improvements between the original iPhone and iPhone 6/6s or especially the X much (of course it took 10 years so I’m stretching it a bit..) much more impressive than the step up from an Symbian/Windows smartphone to the original one. It was basically a feature phone with a nice screen and great UX. Stuff like 3G and third party apps were a result of an incremental updates.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by zozbot234 on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:22AM (#31002320)
> There's also the fact that much modern tech tends to be very locked-down, discourages tinkering/creativity

But that also creates an inherent opportunity for open, 'hackable' versions of the broken, locked down crap. You can see this in much of the embedded ecosystem, where much stuff is unusably locked down simply out of short-term laziness and convenience but many of the most popular products are open.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by gilbetron on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @11:41AM (#31004165)
Get into VR and the game modding world there. My son is having tons of fun in that world, and it is progressing the same as original Playstation 1 era consoles and PCs, imo.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by chubot on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @11:25AM (#31003943)
It's an age thing - the dreams you had when you were younger didn't turn into reality

This is a tangent, but I've heard that children who grew up in the "space age" after Apollo thought we would be on Mars right now, or colonizing the solar system. It was their childhood dream.

Hence a lot of men (especially rich men) in that era are interested in flying planes and going to space. Bezos was born in 1964 and Musk was born in 1971.

On the other hand my first memory of the space program was literally the Challenger disaster ... that's when the myths started dying down, and when America stopped going to space very much. I never really had that dream, and it feels like many/most people my age and younger don't.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by drblast on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @07:23PM (#31009437)
This is so true, at least from my late 70's perspective. Star Wars didn't seem so much like fantasy when I saw it in the theater - it was more like the inevitable conclusion of where tech was going, and probably in my lifetime we'd be a spacefaring species.

Before Challenger, space flight seemed to be on a constantly improving trend. And likely it is, just on a much longer timeline than we supposed as kids.

Tech is similar - the advancements in the 80s-2000s in the computer industry felt much more revolutionary. I think that had a much larger impact than anything that's happened since.

The next revolution will likely be elsewhere like medicine.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by hwers on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @08:23AM (#31001627)
Are you sure? I'd like to hear the take of someone in their early twenties on this. My feeling is that a lot of them are terrified by it themselves too.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by tiluha on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:20AM (#31002292)
I'm 22. I feel like there hasn't been any major technologcal shift since ~2014. Phones have gotten faster and more capable, but are still mostly the same. Social media has gotten bigger, but hasn't innovated in a meaningful way. "AI" has gotten better which is fascinating, but in the end it will most likely just be used for manipulation, surveillance and manipulation. I can't really think of any technology to look forward to, that would improve my life or change the world (in a positive sense).
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by gilbetron on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:42AM (#31002584)
Autonomous cars, AI/ML, and fusion are three things that will significantly change our world in the next decade or so. There will absolutely be downsides, but that's how tech works! And this doesn't even get into biological spheres of tech!

Also, remember, people in 2005 had same thoughts as you're having right now! Throughout my entire life, people have been saying that tech and science is basically done. They've always been wrong, and I don't see an end in sight.

It's the nature of exponentials. They seem slow and then suddenly the world changes. Only a handful of people actually can see that it is going to happen. We're just linear creatures with no intuition for exponential growth.

Imagine sitting in a dark room and someone about to turn on a switch - up until the switch is flicked, it doesn't seem like anything is going to happen, and then suddenly you are reeling at the brightness. That's how tech innovation happens now. I bet in a decade you'll be looking back saying, holy shit, I did not see that coming about something! "Remember when we used to drive gas vehicles?" or "Remember when we thought fusion was impossible?" or "Remember when nobody owned a robot?" Who knows what it is, but there will be something!

In 2014, almost nobody thought about having an app on their phone to summon a car to take them somewhere. Now it is everywhere (and struggling!). In 2014, speech recognition was awful. Now we have an automated robot lady that will answer spam calls for you!

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by hwers on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:08AM (#31002956)
Autonomous cars and fusion are very different creatures than the growth of the internet or computers in general. The latter was widely distributed and had low hanging fruit that just about everyone in society could pluck and have fun with, the former is something a handful of companies and a few hundred researchers will get to develop while the rest of us will have to have our creativity satisfied with the fulfilling act of paying for it. (Even ML to an extent, since it's so data and compute expensive - generally far from a low hanging fruit -, though less so.)
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by kenjackson on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:43AM (#31003405)
The internet took decades to evolve and was heavily funded early on by government. It only became low hanging fruit once it achieved a high level of maturity -- largely until the WWW had a graphical browser.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by raisedbyninjas on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @11:29AM (#31004000)
Private space travel is exploding. In 2016 Spacex had captured 30% of the launch market. They've doubled that figure since. The space shuttle cost $50K per kilo of payload. The Falcon 9 brought that down to $3k. They're hoping starship can bring that down to $10! Imagine buying a burger for $5 and sending it to space for another $5. This is already bearing fruit of cheap, global satellite internet access.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by Veuxdo on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @12:00PM (#31004416)
99% of smartphone innovation over the past decade has gone into the camera so "influencers" can post better pictures.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by stocknoob on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @12:01PM (#31004423)
mRNA vaccines for novel disease being developed in days doesn’t do it for you?
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by dotnet00 on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @08:14PM (#31009741)
I'm 24, I still feel that tech is very 'cool' and exciting. Yes, there's a lot of stuff that sucks, social media is probably doing more harm than good and the direction that AI research is going in with increasingly larger models that can't reasonably be replicated.

But on the other hand, space accessibility is quickly opening up, it's very likely that I would be able to take a trip to space in my lifetime too, maybe even Mars. VR has opened up an amazing new frontier for hanging out with friends on the other side of the world. Medicine is opening up all sorts of scifi technologies, gene therapy with CRISPR, massive strides in protein structure prediction, mRNA vaccines. Synchrotrons and particle accelerators are starting to improve all sorts of observations. Fusion energy is making progress, quantum computing is just getting started. We even took a detailed image of a black hole millions of light years away just a few years ago!

Yes, specifically computer related improvements are starting to slow down a little, but with costs only getting lower, there's so much room to bring computers into, so many things that can be automated! AI research has generally stuck to certain niches (basic medicine, basic physics, vision), there's so much that can have breakthroughs at the level of the protein folding model.

I think with diverse enough interests, it's hard to say that things are slowing down, they're only getting faster as computers, software and AI mature and dramatically increase efficiency in other fields.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by gilbetron on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @08:50AM (#31001940)
Terrified of it? If it is terrifying, it is hardly boring, it would seem!
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by rowanG077 on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:29AM (#31003221)
I disagree that it's just an age thing. At least Software is moving steadfastly to a dystopia. This wasn't yet apparent 15-20 years ago. Watching Software is just depressing where it's clear it casts quite a large shadow over Humanity.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by gilbetron on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @11:17AM (#31003829)
Dystopia how? Social networks and their ilk are something that we are struggling with and has impacted society, definitely, but it isn't dystopian (not that it won't go that way). But "software" in general? I don't see any indicators - what do you mean by that statement? Have any examples?
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by rowanG077 on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @11:28AM (#31003988)
I have a few examples. The loss of ownership over Software. The blatant privacy violations. Free Software + ads combination. The consolidation of vital pieces Software into a very small set(sometimes singleton) of companies. The loss of user agency in Software. Literal killer autonomous robots.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by drewcoo on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @12:32PM (#31004884)
Part of what you describe is monopoly. That's not new. That's what capitalism tends toward.

The other parts you describe are all about connectedness. Or side effects of connectedness. Largely due to the Internet and partially to cell then smart phones. Those are new tech that humans haven't quite made peace with yet.

That happens with all tech changes, belive it or not. Over a century ago electrification was jarring. All sorts of magical devices [1] used electricity. And electricity was dangerous! [2] There was also the less obvious danger of con artists, who with sufficiently technological-seeming devices are indistinguishable from magicians (apologies to Clarke!). And the whole thing was such confusing upheaval to society that Rube Goldberg [3] helped people cope by laughing about it.

[1] https://www.announcingit.com/invitations-blog/what-came-firs...

[2] https://science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/science-questio...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rube_Goldberg

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by rowanG077 on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @12:40PM (#31005003)
None of my points are about connectedness. Not sure which points you are talking about. Only thing you might link to connectedness is loss of privacy. But you can leave privacy perfectly intact with full connectedness.

I also disagree with your point that such thing happens with all tech. Electricity didn't take away the agency of humanity. Electricity doesn't go out and kill a person based on what electricity judges to be worthy. Such answers are a copout.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by hpcjoe on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @11:05AM (#31003671)
I'm still mad that we don't have flying cars ala "The Jetsons". But then again, I think "auto" accidents would become horrifically worse if we did, so there's that.

I watched news reports of the moon landing in 1969 as a kid. I played with tech throughout my youth ... converting a small, unused closet next to our garage as an electronics lab. I started with breadboarding (and occasionally, wirewrapping) 555 oscillators, and 741 op amps into weird circuits I'd read about.

About 50+ years later, I still build my own machines, albeit at the subsystem level versus the power supply and chip level. I am looking forward to working on automating image capture/processing for a telescope I bought last year.

I don't have a flying car (thank a deity), but I have an 8 inch telescope with automatic location and calibration. And a helluva lotta processing power, storage, and networking to do things with the images. I'm not saying I will run a 10/40 GbE optical fibre out to the deck where the telescope will sit ... but I'm not saying I won't. And yes, its nice to have 40GbE networking in my house (basement).

I've always viewed tech as a means to an end. I'm a scientist by training, a technologist and software person by choice. I've been an entrepreneur and many other things in my life. I see the tech as a way to do science more quickly, more accurately, and I really enjoy that it is an enabling function.

I got my start in HPC and supercomputing precisely because my simulations were taking too long on the workstations of the late 80s and early 90s. I stayed in HPC to build better/faster/stronger supers, and take advantage of the technological waves. Simulations that used to take a powerful (for the early 90s) supercomputer several hours, now take about a minute, on my laptop. Which has more processors, memory, and storage than the old super.

I think of technology as a wavefront that enables one to do more, better, and faster in its wake. Some people love the building of the tech, and designing new tech. Some like the applications. If you are bored with the building of tech, think of the applications that you could try, to help improve something real.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by PaulLeiby on Friday April 15, 2022 @10:36AM (#31040742)
> "It's an age thing - ... Tech is still really cool, compared to decades ago."

1. How can one possible claim that tech is cooler now than is was in the 60s when we were racing into space, developing semiconductors and transistors? Or the 70's when we were rapidly developing integrated circuits, computers and languages? Or cooler than maybe the coolest tech-time ever, the 00s and 1910s when we were simultaneously perfecting bicycles, developing automobiles, powered flight, electrical power networks, and mostly in folks garages or barns?! "It's an age thing." 2. Tech is always cool. 3. Don't let anyone else tell you what is cool, including me.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by the_only_law on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @01:58PM (#31006148)
> I think all the great stuff has been invented, it's all boring now.

This reminds me of a half-joking quote I think I saw on HN years ago about CS being mostly completed by the 80s.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by railing on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @02:06PM (#31006248)
you think it's boring* y'all oldies speak for yourself, the future is now, hell my friend is a vertual reality designer making 6 figures. Kids who grew up with modern tech are really only just starting to hit the market
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by naoqj on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:23AM (#31003137)
>It's an age thing - the dreams you had when you were younger didn't turn into reality - dreams usually don't. Or at least, not as you expect it.

Every generation is doomed to discover that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUgs2O7Okqc

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by nukemaster on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @08:22AM (#31001607)
I don't think it's an age thing, there were plenty of old people dreaming along with us.