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Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by rob74 on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @08:29AM (#31001703)
I agree that it's partly an age thing, but I also agree that the times have been more exciting in the past technology-wise.

I grew up as a eighties tech geek kid. I learned BASIC on a SHARP programmable calculator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharp_PC-1403), then moved on to an Atari 800, then to an Amiga, and finally to a PC. Each of these machines was orders of magnitude more capable than the previous one - you don't have that anymore nowadays. Then in the late 90s there was the Internet, with the promise that you could connect to anyone around the world and the potential to really bring the world together. Well, that didn't quite turn out the way 20 year old me imagined unfortunately. Of course, technological progress is still going on, but it's more "your smartphone can now do what your desktop PC did 20 years ago, or your laptop did 10 years ago". SpaceX rockets look practically indistinguishable from rockets that flew 50-70 years ago. Ok, those couldn't land again, but technological progress has been more of a crawl there (with an unnecessary detour into a dead end called "Space Shuttle"). Same with self-driving cars and other potentially exciting stuff.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by koonsolo on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:38AM (#31002538)
Are you crazy? I'm from '79, so probably a bit younger than you.

We can now buy an Arduino board for the price of a computer game, and make a flying drone. Even with a small camera or some sensors if you want. Or create some small robots with all the motors and sensors that you want, custom 3d printed.

My son is now 13 and doing STEM. I only wish I had access to all the things that they can now do for cheap, especially all the robotics and drone stuff. Plus, the amount of info on the internet is amazing and quickly accessible anywhere.

I agree that the old days were a lot of fun, but if I had to choose, I would want to be 13 nowadays instead of the 80s or 90s.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by pessimizer on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @11:05AM (#31003680)
> We can now buy an Arduino board for the price of a computer game, and make a flying drone.

I'm pretty sure you could do this 20 years ago, there just hadn't been that wave of marketing around microcontrollers as a hobby that happened around the time of Make magazine. $2 for a PIC and $45 for a programmer, maybe? Waiting excitedly for the next issue of Nuts & Volts? Idly flipping through the Jameco and Small Parts catalogs? Toolboxes filled with TTL?

The internet is certainly an advantage, but it also ain't too new.

edit: randomly posting the Small Parts catalog so we can reflect on and celebrate what was lost https://web.archive.org/web/20160323004150/http://www.smallp...

NO MINIMUM ORDER

Also, a shout out to American Science & Surplus, off to the suburbs after 84 years.

https://blockclubchicago.org/2021/10/13/american-science-sur...

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by gilbetron on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @11:11AM (#31003747)
No? Not even remotely. Even besides buying the parts (which were more expensive and, literally, exponentially less capable), the knowhow and training needed wasn't something you could find on the Internet. Drones didn't exist then, that was a fantasy in 2002. The Internet of 2002 was far, far different from what we have now.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by raxxorraxor on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @03:40AM (#31012109)
True, the choices were more limited, but there is still a trend in that direction again. If you associate tech is with Apple devices for example, you are probably not one dabbling in tech, you are the passive passenger. Doesn't have to be the case, but there is a hype is more about consumer solutions instead of tech itself.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by vanadium on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @11:19AM (#31003853)
AS&S is, in a relatively literal sense, next door to me. Fun bunch of folks whenever I stop by.

But as a late 70s Gen Xer, I would never trade living through that transition period from pre-Internet to Internet. You can't pay to have had that experience or perspective, and what transpired through those years from BBSes to pre-Web to Web adoption, from technological and sociological standpoints, was _insane_.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by Damogran6 on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @11:49AM (#31004275)
Drones only became technically feasible on the shoulders of the mems development for cellphones, so, no. The Lego-if-I-cation of digital hardware is a relatively recent thing.

(Yeah, there was radio shack and Heathkit, but the barriers to entry are MUCH smaller today)

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by drewcoo on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @11:58AM (#31004400)
> The Lego-if-I-cation of digital hardware is a relatively recent thing.

That happened in the 80s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lego_Mindstorms

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by Damogran6 on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @12:34PM (#31004926)
I was unclear, you’re not wrong, but I meant getting a $5 cpu and a $6 WiFi module and a $5 humidity sensor and a $2 power controller and a $10 lipo battery. The components are like Legos.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by saltcured on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:03PM (#31010451)
Those bricks used to be a discrete components, maybe an op-amp, or a 7400 series chip from TI with maybe two or four logic gates, and they were sold in individual units on peg-board racks at your local Radio Shack.

Sure, we didn't have "drones" in the 80s, since the battery tech and digital integration wasn't there yet to make it feasible. There were radio controlled cars with digital PCM signals, servos for steering, and heavy 6 or 7 cell NiCd battery packs. There were also radio controlled aircraft, but they were generally using an internal-combustion engine, unless they were gliders. These ranged from toy to rather extravagant hobby depending on the size and capability. My neighbor would fly his glider, which had a roughly 2-3 foot wingspan, for what seemed like hours on thermals on a slope behind our houses.

Edit to add: I don't remember the details, but I believe that he told us the radio control was the most expensive part and not much different from what people used in the fancier car kits. The rest was cheap and easily replaced, which was necessary to be light but also to be able to repair after inevitable crashes. Think of a vacuum-formed plastic skin filled with expanded foam, a bit like the structure of a surfboard but with much lower strength.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by koonsolo on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @03:11PM (#31007018)
> I'm pretty sure you could do this 20 years ago

As a kid I sometimes went to a RC airfield here close by. Those things were crazy expensive. And then we're not even talking about model helicopters yet. Those things were not on batteries but on gasoline. As a kid I dreamed of having one, but those were just too expensive to give as a toy to a kid. Nowadays? Buy a drone 'helicopter' for $20. It's really crazy if you compare this to the 90's.

Drones that self hover were not even remotely possible. Or at least not as far as I know, unless you know more than me. And drones with camera's? No way!

> The internet is certainly an advantage, but it also ain't too new.

I remember when as a kid I got stuck programming. No internet, no StackOverflow... Good luck! In a sense it was cool to find solutions yourself, but it definitely wasn't quick! :)

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by adewinter on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:28PM (#31010237)
No, you definitely could not do it 20 years ago with hobbyist grade parts. The software basically did not exist and whatever tech there was was strictly hidden behind government arms control restrictions (ITAR) because of fears that the tech could be used in ballistic missiles.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by dvh1990 on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:16AM (#31003042)
Well yes, but flying drones are not exciting when everybody can build/buy one.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by xboxnolifes on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:23AM (#31003138)
What's interesting is not having a drone, but what you do with them. It's like saying photography is not exciting when everyone has a camera.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by tarboreus on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @03:45PM (#31007403)
It kind of isn't. though.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by throwaway675309 on Friday April 15, 2022 @10:37PM (#31048786)
You shouldn't derive whether or not something is exciting to yourself by its exclusivity. I can't even begin to state how wrong that feels.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by hackerfromthefu on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @01:34PM (#31017560)
That's so subjective. My photography is interesting to me, and draws admiration and interest from almost everyone I share it with, even though they themselves have phones with cameras.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by rowanG077 on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:31AM (#31003248)
Then you were not really interested in Tech. Just in being in some pseudo exclusive club. I definitely think building your own drone is very exciting.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by tbugrara on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @05:36PM (#31008511)
Just want to chime in and say there's nothing wrong with finding excitement in doing something unique. That drive inside of you has taken people very far I'd imagine, with the obvious tradeoffs.

Don't give up on tech and keep an open mind. It's true that flying drones are not exciting to you, but flying a drone could be a first step in finding something more interesting to do with drones.

Boredom is functional. It can be a guide towards more interesting things so as long as you don't let it run the show. Tolerate it and follow (intelligently) where it takes you, don't avoid it.

I don't know how helpful this will be to you, but it bothered me to see people dismiss your interest because you value doing something unique. Those same judgements held me back for years.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by marktangotango on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:47AM (#31003462)
Ask the military planners of the world how exciting drones are. That one little device being dismissed so casually has changed warfare, for all time.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by rchaud on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @11:21AM (#31003873)
Those people were probably just as excited when NSO's Pegasus became commercially available. For the rest of us, that wouldn't be the case.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by koonsolo on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @03:14PM (#31007056)
Drones have so many applications! I know a guy who builds drones to map out farmer lands. So many applications, so little time.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by kooshball on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @01:53PM (#31006067)
what a ridiculous statement. it also shows why the whole premise for this post is so misguided.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by ddaalluu2 on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:26AM (#31003191)
So you're not interested in tech but in tech no one else has.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by dvh1990 on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @04:32AM (#31012388)
The novelty factor IS important. Back in the 90s/00s techies were relatively rare. Being tech-oriented, generally smart but also socially awkward and introverted is an interesting mix - you derive identity and pride from the things that make you special.

Was this the reason I loved tech? No, that's the reason I DID tech. The reason I loved tech is because I believed that tech will make our lives exponentially better. And up to a certain point, it did...

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by zozbot234 on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @08:55AM (#31001996)
> Each of these machines was orders of magnitude more capable than the previous one - you don't have that anymore nowadays.

As you mention, computers can become "orders of magnitude more capable" simply by shrinking to a smaller form factor. We're about to have smartphones that are fully usable as computers, or smart watches that you can run free OS's and homebrew applications on.

> Then in the late 90s there was the Internet, with the promise that you could connect to anyone around the world and the potential to really bring the world together.

There's still plenty of projects trying to do that kind of thing. Big Tech social media is only the most popular part of the Internet, you're mostly free to ignore it if you like.

> Ok, those couldn't land again, but technological progress has been more of a crawl there (with an unnecessary detour into a dead end called "Space Shuttle").

The Space Shuttle was not a dead end, it had all sorts of cool capabilities that we're only now getting back with the SpaceX Starship. And rockets that land again are a big deal because they radically change the equation of how much it costs to launch things into space.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by frostwarrior on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:20AM (#31003100)
> As you mention, computers can become "orders of magnitude more capable" simply by shrinking to a smaller form factors. We're about to have smartphones that are fully usable as computers, or smart watches that you can run free OS's and homebrew applications on.

He talks about functionality. Not power. Yes, computers are more powerful now. But the point is that old computers were way more flexible and "powerful" in an usability sense. New computers are full of arbitrary (and natural (1)) barriers to stop you from having full control of your pocket CPU.

(1) The natural additional barrier is also complexity. Early computers were simple. Some hobbyist could write a system from scratch just by having some knowledge about computers and electronics. Now you have a lot more factors, an OS, a plethora of drivers and a browser that's closer to a VM than a HTML parser.

> There's still plenty of projects trying to do that kind of thing. Big Tech social media is only the most popular part of the Internet, you're mostly free to ignore it if you like.

You are right. But that kind of connection is disappointing to our 20 year old geek self. We (naively) wanted more people to become computer literates. Instead, we got algorithms and fake news.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by zozbot234 on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:32AM (#31003258)
> We (naively) wanted more people to become computer literates. Instead, we got algorithms and fake news.

Arguably, we got both. Even basic computer literacy is a huge value added right now. Journalists are telling coal miners to "learn to code" if they want a job, and being told to "learn to code" in return. Tim Apple is expressly saying that every kid should learn to code. This is astounding from a 1980s and 1990s perspective.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by mercutio2 on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:19AM (#31003084)
All sorts of cool things that we’re now getting back to with Starship 40 years later… sounds like the very definition of a dead end to me! No one took Shuttle and iterated on it. It had a bunch of impractical ideas combined for primarily political reasons that resulted in actual shuttle flights being incredibly dangerous.

It delivered lots of pork, but at the cost of actual progress.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by irrational on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @11:38AM (#31004123)
I don’t know about your experience, but I grew up during the same time period. Tech was decidedly uncool, at least among my classmates. I don’t think tech became cool until the early 2000s when smartphones took off (specifically the combination of smarthphones and social media/communication). Now these things are so common place that I think they have ceased to be cool. It’s like considering a rotary or push button phone to be cool in the 1980s.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by yakytaky on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @05:25PM (#31008413)
I agree with this. I’m a somewhere between generation X and millennial, and for some reason tech was uncool in the eyes of my peers. Suddenly many of them are talking about decentralized this, UX that, and the whole space is slowly losing it’s “coolness” to me.

I’ll admit I enjoyed the exclusivity that my interests evolved into, but I definitely wish I had more people around me to share my interest in technology when I was younger.

In a way I think I grew into this expectation of exclusivity, as that was the only way my adolescent self could tell myself it was a cool hobby.

Age might play a factor in this equation, as others are saying. I say this because I have found enjoyment in simplicity more than complexity these days, and I’m told that’s something that happens with age. Writing a website that runs purely on html+ css, text based communication (as in not slack or discord), and things that I can work on for a few days and complete. I’ve taken a recent interest in sailing. My former self wanted to take on massive undertakings of complexity that required months or years of planning and doing to accomplish. To go on a bit of a tangent, I remember having an idea years ago to find a way to build a computer into a boat which would take real-time measurements of the water and weather conditions. These days I’m interested in reading my surroundings to understand the environment.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by janj on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @12:04PM (#31004473)
I might be wrong but it sounds like what excited you was seeing the progress of the tools, not necessarily what YOU can do with the tools. If that's the case then yeah, it's probably getting harder to put your hands on tools that are orders of magnitude greater than what you just had. I'm learning guitar, all the tools I can get are all very exciting because I haven't seen them before, and I could acquire them a lot faster than I can improve my abilities. But if I don't put in the time to advance myself along with the tools they will quickly become "boring", but only because I'm not able to use them effectively.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by nicoburns on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:06AM (#31002115)
> technological progress is still going on, but it's more "your smartphone can now do what your desktop PC did 20 years ago, or your laptop did 10 years ago"

In terms of tech that would excite a geeky kid, I think it's more like "you can now buy a $1 microcontroller that's as powerful as desktop PC from 30 years ago". Which is pretty exciting as it means you can throw computing power at all sorts of real world automated which wasn't feasible for a hobbyist before.

TL;DR The modern equivalent of a programmable calculator is an Arduino or a Raspberry Pi not a smartphone.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by mrob on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @11:29AM (#31004008)
A typical desktop PC from 30 years ago had at least 2MiB RAM. There's no cheap microcontroller with this.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by nicoburns on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @11:58AM (#31004394)
I guess not, but you can get a Raspberry Pi Zero with 512MiB for £10. That's not $1, but it's definitely still "within relatively easy financial reach of a kid" territory
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by eternauta3k on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:24AM (#31002359)
What microcontroller are you thinking of?
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by sokoloff on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:35AM (#31002505)
ESP8266/32 is slightly over a $1 but still within the spirit of “more like $1 micro”.

Confining more strictly to $1.00, STM32F030F4P6 (48MHz 32-bit M0) is in spitting distance to a 386 or 20MHz 68030 for some workloads. (50 MHz 486-DX2 was introduced in ‘92, but the typical desktop PC of 1992 was much lower spec.)

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by nicoburns on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @10:14AM (#31003010)
It was indeed the ESP8266/ESP32 I had in mind. The ESP8266 is slightly over $1, but not much! (e.g. available here for $1.17 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32651747570.html)
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by foldr on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:34AM (#31002492)
Quite a few of the following options would give a 386SX from 1992 a run for its money in terms of raw computing power:

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/filter/embedded-microcon...

To compete with a high end 486 desktop from 1992 you might have to pay a bit more than $1, particularly if you want floating point.

Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by Narishma on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @11:56AM (#31004368)
Not to mention the lack of memory on microcontrollers.
Re:Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool? by crobertsbmw on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:43AM (#31002602)
MSP430 g series are under a dollar depending on what package you get. The DIP package is a little more expensive than the Smaller TSSOP but they are incredibly powerful.