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Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by breakyerself on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @01:03PM (#30603297)
Black children had an adjusted 0.73 to 1.41 µg/dL more blood Pb (p < 0.001 respectively) and a 1.8 to 5.6 times higher odds of having an EBLL ≥5 µg/dL (p ≤ 0.05 respectively) for every selected risk factor that was tested. For Black children nationwide, one in four residing in pre-1950 housing and one in six living in poverty presented with an EBLL ≥5 µg/dL. In conclusion, significant nationwide racial disparity in blood Pb outcomes persist for predominantly African-American Black children even after correcting for risk factors and other variables.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7084658/

Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by tyjen on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:14PM (#30604812)
Learned about this phenomenon when considering buying a home built prior to 1978.

The highest blood lead levels are seen in children living in denser population areas at or below poverty thresholds. Homes in these largely urban, low-income areas are disproportionately built before 1978 and subject inhabiting children to a significantly higher lead exposure risk. In 2014, it was estimated that 90 percent of all DC homes were built before 1978.

Despite Baltimore leading the charge to inform the public concerning the risks of environmental exposure to lead by banning lead-based paint (but not plumbing or other construction products) in 1951 following a clinical study from Johns Hopkins University, many Baltimoreans, primarily Black, continue to face excessive exposure to lead. The US would not follow Baltimore's example and ban lead-based paint until 1978, because lead lobbyists continued to disrupt regulation efforts.

Lead remediation is an expensive process and even with programs that help or completely cover the costs, many people may not be aware of the programs to take advantage of them.

You can start to see why the problem disproportionately impacts the Black population.

Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by Spooky23 on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @07:29PM (#30609429)
The issue is similar to the asbestos mania. Lead paint is a problem for young children mostly when it peels and gets ingested, or pulverizes and ends up in the air.

Because the strategy is elimination, lead remediation is a huge expense and has driven landlord behavior to embrace incredulous ignorance. There’s actually an incentive to not maintain property in some cases - remediation may exceed the value of the property.

A smarter strategy imo would be to reduce harm. Do stuff like pay landlords to replace windows and paint trim to encapsulate older lead paint. In poor neighborhoods, you could use this to incentivize section 8 enrollment which gives the government more power to drive other remedies for different problems.

I grew up in an 1890s home and live in a circa 1918 home today. There is almost certainly lead present in both the water supply lines and in various painted structures. Because the homes were/are maintained and the water system isn’t run by criminally negligent people, my kids do not have any lead exposure.

Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by ghaff on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @08:32PM (#30609970)
I live in an 1820s farmhouse and had some new windows put in a while back. Basically the installers were “You have lead and we’re going to charge a bit more for the necessary procedures” and everyone was fine with that. It’s a matter if not having a bunch of flaking paint. If that isn’t a reasonable answer, even if there isn’t flaking paint, the answer is basically don’t live in an old place if you can avoid it.
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by Spooky23 on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @12:29PM (#30617382)
That's one of the upsides of country living.

In my city, if I pull a permit for any type of work, it triggers a bunch of nonsense including licensed remediation, etc. Depending on the inspector and the contractor, that could be a big deal.

Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by Ansil849 on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @04:37PM (#30607453)
> because lead lobbyists continued to disrupt regulation efforts.

I have genuine, actual trouble maintaining faith in humanity when I hear about people like this existing. It just makes me incredibly depressed and bummed out about life.

Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by ianai on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @10:19PM (#30610529)
I hear you. We’re just more sophisticated chimps. Sophisticated enough to devise ways to kill nearly all life on earth, but not wise enough to take care of the planet and ourselves.
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by iancmceachern on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @09:28PM (#30610280)
To add to this, they still mine (and make products from) Asbestos to this day in Russia. They even have open pit mines and use explosives.
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by chupasaurus on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @09:57PM (#30610421)
And most of the asbestos mined there is being exported.
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by kingcharles on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @10:23PM (#30622900)
Was...
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by chupasaurus on Thursday March 10, 2022 @01:59AM (#30623900)
The biggest importer of asbestos is India. Even if they'd already banned Russian asbestos, the only country to have enough asbestos is China, guess the rest.
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by throwaway0a5e on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @05:20PM (#30608036)
edit: My analysis is clearly unwelcome here.
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by scns on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @06:22PM (#30608756)
Gasoline is not big business? They had a "scientist" on staff, that proclaimed that leaded fuel was harmless. Who cares about paint, when there are millions of cars driving around blowing lead dust into the air? The (real) scientist who saw a connection needed years to prove it. By digging into the ice in the arctis he was able to prove, that the high lead levels where a recent phenomenon. The documentary Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey by Neil deGrasse Tyson [0] tells this story much better than i ever could and much more... Highly recommended!

[0] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2395695/

Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by agentdrtran on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @06:11PM (#30608635)
People doing what's best for them can be very evil for others, like the fact that buildings full of lead paint and lead-leaking pipes have not been fixed.
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by rbanffy on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @06:54PM (#30609073)
> buildings full of lead paint and lead-leaking pipes have not been fixed.

That’s because a few IQ points in black and poor people is not considered more important than not using tax money to solve the problem.

Arguably, the added IQ points times the number of people affected would most likely have a positive effect on the GDP and would pay for the fix in a couple decades.

That we even think that we’d need to do the math to justify it is deeply depressing.

Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by breakyerself on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @04:16PM (#30607093)
Yes because the reason they they are prodominantly represented in those neighborhoods just because they were redlined there as a matter of public policy for decades
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by vmception on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @08:45PM (#30610046)
Yes, even if redlining wasn't occurring and allowed for access to credit so they could lever up on a mortgage in nicer, newer neighborhoods, that would simply

1) alter representation in poorer neighborhoods, as in, black people wouldn't be so heavily represented, but then you would still have the problem of somebody being exposed to lead paint and apathetic landlords

2) the additional demand would wind up pushing people to the bad neighborhoods anyway, some part of me thinks getting right back to square one, but there are a ton of variables there. (Like maybe the higher prices would have incentivized more developers, or even the landlords of bad buildings to renovate)

the outcome that has occurred is still messed up. a lot of race based discrimination in the US against black people has had an economic rationalizing, I wonder if the increased pricing was a factor, alongside more clear cut segregationist idea.

Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by ransom1538 on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @10:43PM (#30610673)
Buying a home pre-1978 is a mess. Every contractor asks "what year is the home". If you state something before 1978 - they wont open a wall, touch old tiles, do roof work, etc. Contractors immediately offer one of their friends to do asbestos removal or lead work. I had water leak in a 1967 home. Just to throw away plaster walls cost a fortune: "hazardous material". It looked like a sci-fi movie people in full outfits, full plastic wrapped rooms, negative pressure systems, air locks. My home insurance wouldn't pay - then dropped me that year.
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by rr808 on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @09:54PM (#30610401)
> In 2014, it was estimated that 90 percent of all DC homes were built before 1978.

Europeans go what? I'm thinking of all my friends and family and out of hundreds of houses I've been in I can only think of a handful that were built after 1978. I'm not sure why lead isn't a problem so much though, maybe phased out earlier? .

Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by lumost on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @11:07PM (#30610822)
It's not just the buildings. It's the soil, and the air. Test the soil next to any major roadway and you'll get highly toxic lead levels. Children like to get into dirt. Construction kicks the dirt back into the air.
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by Ancalagon on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @05:17PM (#30608003)
This and asbestos is why I will only ever buy homes constructed after 1979.
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by oh_sigh on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:06PM (#30604620)
I'm surprised they don't control for(or even mention!) fruit juice consumption, which can end up bioaccumulating dangerous amounts of lead and other heavy metals at a surprisingly low daily intake ([0] ~4oz of juice per day). I also very rarely see anyone talking about this source of lead intake - usually it is focused on water pipes or paint chips. Do black children drink more fruit juice than non-black children? If fruit juice consumption is anything like soda consumption(which I suspect it is, but have no proof), then the answer is yes[1]:

> With whites as the reference group, the odds of consuming soda was 3.1 times higher for U.S.-born blacks (95% CI 2.6–3.7), 2.4 times higher for Puerto Ricans (95% CI 1.9–3.0), and 2.9 times higher for Mexican/Mexican-Americans (95% CI 2.0–4.1). Those living in households with income less than 200% of the federal poverty level were more likely (odds ratio [OR] = 1.7, 95% CI 1.4–2.1) to be frequent soda consumers than those in households earning 600% or more of the poverty level.

[0] https://www.consumerreports.org/food-safety/arsenic-and-lead...

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2329746

Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by jounker on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @10:26PM (#30610563)
Based on my experience growing up poor, fruit juice was always more expensive than soda. If you’re living in shitty housing you’re probably not drinking much juice.
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by oh_sigh on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @11:05PM (#30610806)
The question isn't choosing between fruit juice or soda, it is rather whether parents might be more likely to give their kids fruit juice to placate them, or because they mistakenly think "fruit = healthy".

Cursory research shows that might be the case(regarding lower income consuming more fruit juice):

> By contrast, the highest 100% juice consumption was found among children, racial/ethnic minorities and lower-income groups.

https://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1475-2...

Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by autoexec on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @02:09AM (#30611726)
> parents might be more likely to give their kids fruit juice to placate them, or because they mistakenly think "fruit = healthy".

I wouldn't be surprised if people who have difficultly affording/accessing fruit would think juice was "at least some form of fruit". The packaging often seems to be designed explicitly to mislead us into thinking that way.

The shelf life of juice is easily in its favor too. Normally, I have easy access to fresh produce and in our house it's about even odds that fruit will go bad before it's eaten and I don't have the stresses and struggles of a low income household with children that could make that even worse. If I were on a very tight budget it might be hard to justify the expense on something you're likely to throw away.

Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by hammock on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:29PM (#30605185)
From the study:

>examined risk factors; survey years; binary gender; bodyweight; low birthweight; anemia; health insurance coverage; Medicaid/CHIP enrollment; federal Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) supplemental food program enrollment; use of water treatment devices; b age in months; c educational attainment less than 9th grade education; d housing built before 1960 or 1940; e number of cigarettes smoked inside the home per day (1 to 40 or more); f poverty-to-income ratios

I don't see traffic proximity aka urbanicity aka leaded gasoline particulate pollution in there.

Lead plumbing and lead paint are two factors. But there is lead all through the soil and air as well.

Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by cmrdporcupine on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @10:12PM (#30610502)
Yeah don't even start to read up on lead arsenate sprays in apple orchards through most of the 20th century. That will keep you at night up for a long time when you start to think about it.
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by hammock on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @01:47PM (#30618448)
I came across "Poisons in your food" by Ruth Winter in my high school library one day and haven't slept since.
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by rightbyte on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @02:58AM (#30612001)
My great grandfather used mercury to protect seeds from mold for sowing. The running joke was that it made the hen crazy ...
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by hammock on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @01:45PM (#30618427)
Mercury is still used today in Australia. https://online.ucpress.edu/elementa/article/9/1/053/116413/W...
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by fkfkno on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @01:14PM (#30603473)
This recent case seems to correlate closely with that research:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-55330945 (Ella Adoo-Kissi-Debrah: Air pollution a factor in girl's death, inquest finds)

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/16/girls-de...

Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by kukx on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:03PM (#30604527)
Is it certain that the Pb causes the lower IQ or maybe there is some other factor and poorer people happen to have higher concentration?
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by raegis on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @03:25PM (#30606380)
It one of the most impactful studies on how lead affects intellectual development, the researcher (who is white) restricted the study to white people only because he assumed (correctly) his results would be ignored if he included African Americans who are disproportionately affected by lead poisoning.
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by trophycase on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @03:47PM (#30606661)
How can you assume correctly if you aren't even testing that assumption?
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by treeman79 on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @03:53PM (#30606782)
It’s politically toxic to try and commission a study on the intelligence of one race/gender versus another.
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of... by LordDragonfang on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @03:02PM (#30605968)
It's been pretty well accepted for decades that this is the case:

>A highly significant association was found between lead exposure and children's IQ (P < 0.001)... There was no evidence that the effect was limited to disadvantaged children and there was a suggestion of the opposite.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8162884/

That's a 1994 meta-study that turned up in 30 seconds of googling, and I'm sure more recent evidence also exists.